Should Marvel have a reboot event?

DC is having the New 52, and people are annoyed at so many deaths and ressurections in Marvel. Furthermore, there are complaints about characters that "just suck" or they don't like things that just don't make sense. I also am bothered by the ineffective Ragnaroks. Let's just have one, big Ragnarok, wipe the slate clean, and just keep what we like. We are coming to another X-Men dominated era, I think. Avengers and stuff had its definitive comeback, but the stories are repetative, and so killings keep happening. They should keep a small bunch of Hulks, Iron Man, and then just roll with it, let X-Men dominate, keep the Fantastic Four alive because they are Marvel's first family, keep Spidey and Kaine around, and maybe a few others. The infinite roster of varied non-mortal characters will soon have nothing left but to snap their fingers to fix all the problems. And if they're so interesting, why aren't they good enough to make games with them in it? Rosters are small compared to older games, and technology is further along than 10 years ago. Too many clone characters, too little story telling, in the end the Thors and Hulks reign and only godlike intervention can magically change things. Sure I enjoyed those stories, but without a true Ragnarok, they will NOT top Fear Itself. Ever. It would have to be the true Armageddon to top it. And then it would just be over. Give me less Quasars and Gladiators and fake deities and let's just have Cosmic Wolverine or something. The battles are like Dragon Ball Z, but no one ever wins. It just keeps repeating itself, with no decisive winner. Dead means dead. Move on. bring on the chaos of comics. Does anyone else want a Marvel reboot event, maybe for a different reason? Should Marvel have a DC New 52 style reboot? And Why? In my opinion, they should, but on a much smaller scale. 30 comics would be plenty.

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Posted by catfightfan

I don't know if they should, but if DC's ratings climb as a result of their effort, then Marvel might just copy their lead. Do I want a reboot, well, I am not sure. I will have to think about that for a while. As long as they do not start the numbering system all over again at #1, I might lean towards a reboot. I would favor it more if they would be as true to the original layout as possible. I do not want a reboot which has massive changes compared to the Silver Age issues.

Posted by Larkin1388

I'd say yes, but I'd be afraid they'd ruin Uncanny X-force, the only decent title Marvel currently has out.

Posted by Volpe
@Larkin1388 said:

I'd say yes, but I'd be afraid they'd ruin Uncanny X-force, the only decent title Marvel currently has out.

And one of the only titles I'm not reading because I have no idea what the flip is going on in that series. xD
Posted by Adnan

Don't Marvel go through 'soft reboots' somewhat regularly? Or is that just hearsay? (I don't read much Marvel these days)

Posted by Illuminatus

Yes. The 616 Universe has gotten laughably, embarrassing, mind-bendingly awful, save for the exception of a few decent comics. I would welcome a reboot with open arms.

Posted by ShenLong

Not from a fanboyism point of view, I would kill off a lot of uber powerful characters/ones Cyclops couldn't take on by himself if his life depended on it, with the exception of a few Hulks and Iron Man. And now it seems, Colossus who is empowered by Cyttorak.

Posted by yumyumbubblegum

Just no. Every time there is a major event in Marvel, the Avengers lineup gets a reboot...for the worse.

Edited by HolyAvenger

Marvel could use a shake up like New 52. It wouldn't guarantee it'll be for the better.

Posted by JediXMan

Marvel needs to wipe the slate clean. A reboot would do them good.

Posted by Decoy Elite

No.......maybe. IDK, I really don't want to see all that character development go away. :(

Posted by The Stegman

yes, especially Spider-Man, i have no idea what's going on in that comic

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Posted by JediXMan
@Decoy Elite said:

No.......maybe. IDK, I really don't want to see all that character development go away. :(

Meh, it happens after almost every event anyway.
Posted by Decoy Elite

@JediXMan said:

@Decoy Elite said:

No.......maybe. IDK, I really don't want to see all that character development go away. :(

Meh, it happens after almost every event anyway.

Yeah, but you know what reboot would mean right? Redoing the same old stories again.

Not to mention with the current major Marvel creative forces...well you saw what Bendis did with his events, now think of what he would do with the entirety of Marvel history. I liked Ult Spider-Man but still...

Posted by catfightfan

If DC continues to gain ground in sales vs Marvel, then Marvel might be more or less forced to consider a reboot.

Posted by CATPANEXE

Same as every other time, I see Marvel as a constant state of reboot and not very subtle anyways. They gladly throw away continuity and consistently when the sales start slipping.

They coin it "house cleaning " specifically while doing it. Outside that they move to establish alternate universe in full runs to pull of the effect, and the Ultimates do very well.

Also, they actually did the reboot first. Jim Lee was hired to redesign many of their failing characters at a point, and their reboot event was called Heroes Reborn. It even included a

Wildstorm mash-up. It never actually ended neither, as it went into another reboot called Heroes Return that effected all lines. Likewise the X-Universe is frequently revamped, like after the original Age Of Apocalypse (see: X-Men Prime), and Age Of X certainly. Regenesis is the current revamp there. All lines were revamped after during and after House Of M. ect. Fantastic 4> Future Foundation. Spider-man during the Clone War/Identity Crisis, and again in BND. All lines during Dark Reign. and on.

Really I need to keep this answer copied to Wordpad if I'm going to answer this question every two weeks in a dupe thread though, I feel like I need a reboot as well.

Posted by TitsteR

This laughable. Marvel reboots every issue they write.

Posted by InnerVenom123

@Decoy Elite said:

@JediXMan said:

@Decoy Elite said:

No.......maybe. IDK, I really don't want to see all that character development go away. :(

Meh, it happens after almost every event anyway.

Yeah, but you know what reboot would mean right? Redoing the same old stories again.

Not to mention with the current major Marvel creative forces...well you saw what Bendis did with his events, now think of what he would do with the entirety of Marvel history. I liked Ult Spider-Man but still...

The horror.

Posted by ComicMan24

@Decoy Elite said:

No.......maybe. IDK, I really don't want to see all that character development go away. :(

This pretty much.

Posted by God_Spawn

No and they probably won't anyways.

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Posted by ShenLong

What about an M-Day event just to wipe out anything they don't like, not necessarily changes the continuity much?

Posted by RScottH08

I don't think they will be doing anything on the scale of DC, but slowly they seem to be rebooting a few things here and there to get things going again, not log ago they did Daredevil, Moon Knight, and Punisher, and they just finished X-Men. So who knows what they do next?

Posted by Death Certificate

They already tried doing that with Heroes Reborn and Ultimate Marvel.Just because DC was able make a successful reboot, doesn't mean that Marvel could do it.

Posted by Alton

Actually they are in constant reboot because nobody is buying anything.Marvel's reboot is constant cancellations.How long is Defenders going to last?

Posted by BlackArmor

I'd say yes but they would F-up the X-men like nobody's buisness....again, I mean

Posted by karrob

Marvel really needs to trim the fat...

Posted by RedOwl_1

Maybe, His universe is pretty confusing for me (a rookie reader) so It will be useful

Posted by Owie

I was thinking about this before, I think Marvel has actually been in the process of a soft reboot for some time, which is partly why so many people are annoyed with them, since it messes with continuity and acts like a series of commercially-motivated maneuvers.

Think about it--how many Marvel titles have been restarted recently? Daredevil, FF, Ultimate Spider-Man, Incredible Hulk, Punisher, Black Panther from the previous Daredevil, Journey into Mystery, the new Mighty Thor (already rebooted with Tanarus), Uncanny X-Men, X-Force, Captain America, Avengers, New Avengers, Moonknight, Wolverine, X-Men, New Mutants--these are all less than 3 years old.

Posted by Rabbitearsblog

I'm sort of on the bench about this. I kind of want Marvel to start a reboot to bring in fresh stories, but at the same time, I'm afraid that if Marvel reboots, then most of the characters' histories that we came to love so much might be erased and I don't think I could handle that. So it really depends on what history of the characters' background they decide to keep in the reboot.

Posted by _Zombie_

With Bendis, Loeb, Quesada, and Fraction? Hell no. Get rid of those three, and I'd welcome it.

Posted by kys

Continuity isn't the problem, it's bad writers. A reboot won't solve anything if the same writers are in charge.

Posted by WarMachineMarkV

- I think Marvel has the best of both worlds by having the standard and Ultimate lines to cater to those who choose to embrace or reject the continuity as they please.

- I think people are looking at the sales numbers and are excited by something new and forgetting DC is only 3 issues into this new thing, who knows if it goes off the rails after the initial storylines play out.

- Finally, just because they choose to reboot, does not mean that they will suddenly clean up their act and stop using the same gimmicks and ignoring the "new continuity" at will

Posted by Rabbitearsblog

@kys: I agree. I think the big issue that Marvel has right now is that there are too many bad writers at this point and even if they had a reboot, if they have the same bad writers, a reboot wouldn't really make a difference. I think as long as Marvel has really good writers, then the comics will do fine, reboot or not.

@WarMachineMarkV: I agree that as long as Marvel keeps on doing the same things they are doing now, even if they rebooted the franchise, it would still suffer.

Posted by ShenLong

karrob: Marvel really needs to trim the fat... Exactly. But I really love what they did with the vampires and creating all those sects :) Hulk is at his strongest now. How do random characters just come in and beat down on him and Rulk (Red Hulk) I don't know, but that is just too much of an anomaly for smooth continuity.

Posted by kiss_lamia

I think they just need a mass ressurection making everyone human, demon, mutant, mystic, villains ect that died all come back that way we can keep the history of the old but also get new stuff, new story direction intro's of old faves and would a few horror titles be to much loooool i miss darkhold, hellstorm and ghost rider and there villains were awesome loool

Posted by BATPANEXE

@Alton said:

How long is Defenders going to last?

Personally I think a year or two if it really surprises but I'm generally very giving. The cast that this one has in it, plus Fraction despite his non fans still has a strong following otherwise might carry it for awhile. I recall even readers that other wised loathed and were petitioning against Loeb's Red Hulk run picked up the Defenders issues just because some of the more classic members were in it. And one can assume an event tie-in easily, and despite my pleadings *cough* people keep getting suckered into those events.

Posted by catfightfan

The Ultimate Universe is definitely a reboot. Unfortunately, they cancelled Ultimate Fantastic Four.

Posted by InnerVenom123

@ZombieBigfoot said:

With Bendis, Loeb, Quesada, and Fraction? Hell no. Get rid of those three, and I'd welcome it.

I think what Marvel fans really want is a reboot of the writing staff, not the comics. I mean, when we get down to it.

Posted by _Zombie_

@InnerVenom123 said:

@ZombieBigfoot said:

With Bendis, Loeb, Quesada, and Fraction? Hell no. Get rid of those three, and I'd welcome it.

I think what Marvel fans really want is a reboot of the writing staff, not the comics. I mean, when we get down to it.

It's what I want. Keep guys like Remender, Aaron, Brubaker, etc., and get rid of the crappy ones. I think it's safe to say that with the right writing staff, the MU can be repaired.

Posted by difficlus

No thanks

Posted by TheGoldenOne
@ZombieBigfoot said:

@InnerVenom123 said:

@ZombieBigfoot said:

With Bendis, Loeb, Quesada, and Fraction? Hell no. Get rid of those three, and I'd welcome it.

I think what Marvel fans really want is a reboot of the writing staff, not the comics. I mean, when we get down to it.

It's what I want. Keep guys like Remender, Aaron, Brubaker, etc., and get rid of the crappy ones. I think it's safe to say that with the right writing staff, the MU can be repaired.

This.
Posted by ShenLong

I LOVE Rulk. But too many Man of Miracle level characters. It's good that they toned down the Hulks's strength levels to be more realistic/without toon power I guess, but not to the point where a random dude can hurt a Hulk, that's just stupid. Retcon all the gods/godlike/toon power/Man of Miracles level characters, and just bring back the X-Men 90s craze with enough going on to let the Hulks, Spider-Man, and Iron Man shine. The only uber powerful characters I think they should keep are Galactus, Praeter, the Hulks, and Franklin Richards. And Doctor Doom, because he was able to deflect Hulk's attack with his tech. Iron Man is now less smart than Doom because of this. Hulkbuster Bleeding Edge is less advanced than what Doom pulled out his butt against Hulk. All other godlike beings need to go away for reality's sake. Maybe less demons, Dormammu, and Doctor Strange can stay to keep mystical stuff going on. Without being Sorceror Supreme, Strange is just a magical marvel, not a deity.

Posted by CATPANEXE

@Death Certificate said:

They already tried doing that with Heroes Reborn and Ultimate Marvel.Just because DC was able make a successful reboot, doesn't mean that Marvel could do it.

Um, Marvel was successful in doing it, hence why DC followed suit and let Jim Lee do it with them as well. Books like Captain America, The Avengers, Iron Man, Fantastic 4 and Thor had hit their lowest point and in a failing comic market at that just prior to Heroes Reborn. The X-books and Spider-man were the ones still holding ground but even they were having problems overall, and books like Hulk were barely hanging on, this after a resurgence of " grim and gritty " popularity that lighter books couldn't hold up to anymore, and the company walk off to Image as well. Marvel put their faith in Jim Lee to redesign these books, and try and focus on great art, good writing, complexity, and a bold move with #issues in order to try and generate a fast buzz to the comics, and he even went as far as to having a hodgepodge Wildstorm/Marvel universe there as well. And it worked in spades. Avengers, Captain America, Iron Man and Fantastic 4 sold well and the comic market got on an upswing again. As well these characters become relevant and hyped again, and this carried over and boosted again when they came back to the original universe in Heroes Return, again with #1 issues and their popularity has been the better for it every since, as well as the expectation for the quality these series must try and have. DC's successful reboot is based directly on Marvels, as it is conceptualized by the same man Jim Lee. Why would he reuse a failed technique again and risk deflating DC, the company he works for now? The answer, he didn't and it did work for Marvel, as well it worked before that with Image Comics upon their company launch. This is the actual program in place and it is as such because it's proven to work well and dig the comic industry out of a recession every time.

Posted by rico_3088

@Illuminatus said:

Yes. The 616 Universe has gotten laughably, embarrassing, mind-bendingly awful, save for the exception of a few decent comics. I would welcome a reboot with open arms.

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Posted by Deranged Midget

@JediXMan said:

Marvel needs to wipe the slate clean. A reboot would do them good.

With most, but not all characters.

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Posted by moywar700

No, Uncanny X-men and WATM just happened recently, I would be upset if it happened

Posted by JediXMan

@Deranged Midget said:

@JediXMan said:

Marvel needs to wipe the slate clean. A reboot would do them good.

With most, but not all characters.

Nah, I'd be fine with it. Fine, I like Uncanny X-Force. That's pretty much it.

Posted by progenitor

To be honest, the last "retcon," (or at least what I saw as a retcon) was when they developed Bucky, rather than having him as a lucky army brat stumbling unto Captain America's dressing room, they gave him a background as a deadly scout, then gave him the Winter Soldier name, which in itself has found huge success for a character once lost in the sidekick oblivion. I wish they would do that with certain older, lesser-known characters. Give them a name and write them a better back-story, and you'll have a new generation of characters for people to enjoy. Marvel can oft be hit or miss, and they've been missing a lot lately, at least IMO. I love Marvel, always have and always will, but I have hope that they will capitalize on the popularity of the X-Men and the Avengers.

Posted by TDK_1997

They can make one,but they won't make it properly.They will ruin good books like Uncanny X-Force and The Punisher.

Posted by luckydomino1

the changes they would make would just piss people off so no

Posted by Baron_BJ

Well, I'm against reboots of all kinds, but I do accept that after certain periods of time there is no other option, however if it's a choice between the constant "soft-reboots" we've been getting and just one big hard reset like the reset recent DC New 52 then I'd have to say that the hard reset is the preferrable option.

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