Re-enable Manga Vs. Comic

First of all, I think all battles were entertaining. I wanted forums of Ryu vs. Hulk, etc. Second of all, now manga vs. comic is not allowed. That is complete nonsense as manga is just comic books from Japanese publishers. This decision is segregation and it is probably racist. There is no reason why Japanese characters should not be able to battle American ones. 
 
Please, your thoughts on this nasty decision.

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Posted by cattlebattle

sigh.....

Posted by Dernman

You lost any credibility the moment you made the racist accusation.

Posted by Renchamp

Ha ha! Racist. Please. It has more to deal with the fact that a comic lover may not be a manga lover. There wouldn't be as many people who knew how the two would really stack up. Less people participating, more uninformed/biased arguments, more ill-feelings toward other members of the Vine. We are trying to be a community here. Calling racism for the mere fact of getting a rise out of people is questionable conduct and doesn't meet the standards of this site. Look at the reasons why it might be banned before popping off. Besides, your blog could become the showcase for why Ryu would slaughter the Hulk, and not a soapbox for slinging accusations. (See Razzatazz's Clash of the Comics blogs; she's gained some notoriety because of them.)

Posted by Vortex13

Almost all the anime/manga vs comics battles just became massive amounts of insults and just being rude. Huge flame wars.

Posted by JediXMan

Racist?
 
Yeah, I'm going to say you're a troll now. 
 
And they've tried. Didn't work out. 
 
PS: Why is it always the new guys who try to change a website?

Posted by Kallarkz
@Dernman said:
You lost any credibility the moment you made the racist accusation.
Posted by JayUK

Ah, I thought this was going to be an intersting debate about how the American comic market compares to the Japenese comic market. I was wrong.

Edited by Blood_guts

I've no problem with new guys having good ideas but here's the thing. people who like comics like particular characters in comics. say if you like a hero as a kid you will ALWAYS like that guy just a little. imagine you then continue likeing comics as you grow up and read more comics spending time and money on your personal hero. you are now a fan of said character. like it or not you like him more than other characters. for instance i like wolverine. i like him so much i would say he can kill the hulk by hacking him to pieces. THERE I SAID IT. now while comics have characters that gain strength as more and more people like them and buy their comics and thus let the series continue( examples being iceman who fore some reason IS ice now and can reform after being shattered. another example is iron man who can control all electronics) anime however isn't like this. there may only BE one guy who likes alucard from hellsing but let me tell you if alucard fought wolverine i can guarentee wolverine would get what can only be described as F*CKED UP. anime characters tend to be more powerfull in general as a side note. also japanese art in general goes more in a fantastic direction (not a simile for good) and make things TOO inrealistic. while some of the things in final fantasy are cool and amazing you cant really picture them so well. the reason i bring this up is because people seem to make arguments about the physics of certain universes acting differently than eachother. like a guy falling off a building in dbz might make a huge shockwave and crack the street. so does this mean AWESOME matchups like jin from samuai champloo against someone equally not overpowered like say.... wolverine shouldn't be allowed? well thats funny you should ask hypothetical man in my head i guess that depends on who you think should win. Whats that? you think jin would win? let me give you a calm counter argument about how my childhood hero that killed the monsters in my closet would fare against the guy i just wikied five minutes ago...... NO NO NO WOLVERINE HAS AN ADAMANTIUM SKELETON AND IS SUPER FAST AND STRONG AND CAN REGENERATE FROM ONE PUBIC HAIR NOOOOOO YOUR WRONG AND CLEARLY ALL OF YOUR ARGUMENTS ARE A JOKE TROLL!! F*CK YOU AND EVERYTHING ABOUT ALL YOU'VE EVER LOVED!!!1!!ONE!!!!!111!!!!!!!!1!!!!!!! (complete joke not insulting anyone)

Posted by Blood_guts
@JayUK: i gave it my best shot lol 
@ShenLong:  i hope this clears it up for u
Posted by ShenLong

I'm not a troll. I'm an actual descendent of the real Vikings. No one ever call me a troll. Cause.....you'd just be wrong. And unless you're really old, I think I know more about comics. As the the markets, each business appeals to a particular culture. Furthermore, Marvel made the mangaverse to appeal to a younger generation of Americans who liked the art style. Why I would like that style in comics, etc, is because someone like Iron Fist will never be portrayed as powerful as someone like the Beyonder in comics, so their story goes nowhere. From characters that weak, only Wolverine and Spider-Man have hope. And Batman. Um, I think you're being hatefully too extreme. You could have ended your argument before the caps.....anyone else want to support or speak their opinion against this matter in an interesting and intelligent way? Because Hulk will always pound Iron Fist. In terms of Wolverine tearing up a universe etc, Juggy used to be superweak. Like 5 tons weak. A snack for Ben Grimm to eat weak. An X-Men character. (Please don't argue with this. X-men characters are weak. Jean was nothing until Phoenix came around). S, ideas? Thoughts? Would those who do not sympathize with manga, which is nothing more than comics from Japan, be more willing to have manga around if say, Disney, which is Marvel now, bought a few manga companies? What if Marvel acquired Shueisha, the maker of Dragon Ball and Naruto? Would you be opposed to Goku showing up in Hulkverse? Should a motion to increase Mickey's powers be set in motion for Disney to buy all big time manga companies? What would make this good? Make a separate Marvel universe where these characters interact? What appeals to you more other than slapping manga in the face so more realistically, Goku kamehamehas Juggy in the face taking him out permanently, so he has to fight Hulk, a real man.

Posted by Blood_guts
@ShenLong: woh no no i was not calling anyone a troll. it was a joke with a non existant person. did you read my thingy? i really did put some significant thought into it. and i really do like manga and anime. you really are getting the wrong idea about my whole statement. i swear. seriously that was not a all caps statement directed at you.
Edited by _Zombie_

I'm standing with the mods on this.  Those topics just started flame wars and were easy prey for trolls.  While some were enjoyable, it just got out of hand.  Also, you do realize what kind of troll they're speaking of, right? >.> 
 
edit: Also, it's not a racist decision, and manga is not a race, I can assure you the mods most likely did not even consider the fact that manga are Japanese.

Posted by The Stegman

personally, i wouldn't mind seeing them come back, but alas, i don't run the website, so i must follow the mod's orders 

Posted by Morgaine_Levesque

Yeah...the racist accusation kind of reduces your credibility just a wee bit.  
 
All they've ever really done is cause flame wars and other trolling. And it's not that the mods don't like them (Final Arrow is an enormous manga/anime fan and has actually spoken about how he'd love to be able to debate these matches), it just never works out.  
 
A little while ago the ban was lifted as a test run. It did not go well, to say the least. 

Posted by JediXMan
@Morgaine_de_Bourbon said:
  A little while ago the ban was lifted as a test run. It did not go well, to say the least. 
It lasted, what, a day? It was supposed to be an entire week but it got so bad that they cut it short.
Posted by Blood_guts
@JediXMan said:
@Morgaine_de_Bourbon said:
  A little while ago the ban was lifted as a test run. It did not go well, to say the least. 
It lasted, what, a day? It was supposed to be an entire week but it got so bad that they cut it short.
yeah that was cus ppl tried to debate alucard vs superman
Posted by Jnr6Lil

Manga vs. Comic in a way would be one-sided, If u wanted to do Manga vs. Comic u would have to have guys like Scarlet Witch, and Jean Grey because Manga severely overpower their characters.

Posted by Blood_guts
@Jnr6Lil said:
Manga vs. Comic in a way would be one-sided, If u wanted to do Manga vs. Comic u would have to have guys like Scarlet Witch, and Jean Grey because Manga severely overpower their characters.
what about jin and mugen from samurai champloo? or anyone from basalisk?
Posted by Jnr6Lil
@Blood_guts said:
@Jnr6Lil said:
Manga vs. Comic in a way would be one-sided, If u wanted to do Manga vs. Comic u would have to have guys like Scarlet Witch, and Jean Grey because Manga severely overpower their characters.
what about jin and mugen from samurai champloo? or anyone from basalisk?
Depends on ur category of manga, I'm thinking Dragon Ball Z, Naruto, One Piece, etc.
Posted by Blood_guts
@Jnr6Lil said:
@Blood_guts said:
@Jnr6Lil said:
Manga vs. Comic in a way would be one-sided, If u wanted to do Manga vs. Comic u would have to have guys like Scarlet Witch, and Jean Grey because Manga severely overpower their characters.
what about jin and mugen from samurai champloo? or anyone from basalisk?
Depends on ur category of manga, I'm thinking Dragon Ball Z, Naruto, One Piece, etc.
well now that brings up and intertesting point. of course ppl from dbz are nuts but peple like jin are just regular fighters.  
 
does anyone think its at all possible we could use only the weaker anime characters?
Posted by Dracade102

The OP made me ROFL. 

Posted by Jnr6Lil
@Blood_guts said:
@Jnr6Lil said:
@Blood_guts said:
@Jnr6Lil said:
Manga vs. Comic in a way would be one-sided, If u wanted to do Manga vs. Comic u would have to have guys like Scarlet Witch, and Jean Grey because Manga severely overpower their characters.
what about jin and mugen from samurai champloo? or anyone from basalisk?
Depends on ur category of manga, I'm thinking Dragon Ball Z, Naruto, One Piece, etc.
well now that brings up and intertesting point. of course ppl from dbz are nuts but peple like jin are just regular fighters.   does anyone think its at all possible we could use only the weaker anime characters?
Jin?
Posted by Dernman

Anime Vice: All about Manga and Anime. Comic Vine's sister site.

Edited by Blood_guts
@Jnr6Lil said:

@Blood_guts said:

@Jnr6Lil said:

@Blood_guts said:

@Jnr6Lil said:
Manga vs. Comic in a way would be one-sided, If u wanted to do Manga vs. Comic u would have to have guys like Scarlet Witch, and Jean Grey because Manga severely overpower their characters.
what about jin and mugen from samurai champloo? or anyone from basalisk?
Depends on ur category of manga, I'm thinking Dragon Ball Z, Naruto, One Piece, etc.
well now that brings up and intertesting point. of course ppl from dbz are nuts but peple like jin are just regular fighters.   does anyone think its at all possible we could use only the weaker anime characters?
Jin?
  

the guy on the right. he has no special abilities aside from his natural skill and intense training. to my knowledge he never does anything supernatural like hacking a building in half *cough* kenpachi zaraki *cough* 
Posted by Larkin1388

wow...

Posted by CrimsonAvenger

It never worked in the past and it probably will not work again. If you want more clarification ask one of our Battle Forum Mods ( Static Shock, Buckshot, and Final Arrow)

Posted by progenitor

um.  I don't know what you've got against The Juggernaut, mayhaps butthurt over him taking a few well-earned victories, but the decision to stop Manga vs. Comic threads was done due to the amount of trollage that it brought, from trolls like you, who ignite flame wars by making assumptions without anything to back them up.  When has CV ever made a "racist" decision in it's long standing community? Sad thing is, I was actually a supporter of Manga vs. Comic threads, because I felt that people still got a bit of enjoyment out of them, but they'll be closed as long as there's trolling going on in the threads.
Posted by Jnr6Lil
@Blood_guts said:
@Jnr6Lil said:

@Blood_guts said:

@Jnr6Lil said:

@Blood_guts said:

@Jnr6Lil said:
Manga vs. Comic in a way would be one-sided, If u wanted to do Manga vs. Comic u would have to have guys like Scarlet Witch, and Jean Grey because Manga severely overpower their characters.
what about jin and mugen from samurai champloo? or anyone from basalisk?
Depends on ur category of manga, I'm thinking Dragon Ball Z, Naruto, One Piece, etc.
well now that brings up and intertesting point. of course ppl from dbz are nuts but peple like jin are just regular fighters.   does anyone think its at all possible we could use only the weaker anime characters?
Jin?
  the guy on the right. he has no special abilities aside from his natural skill and intense training. to my knowledge he never does anything supernatural like hacking a building in half *cough* kenpachi zaraki *cough* 
Yes but if ypu're going to do lesser known Anime characters, then ur gonna have to do lesser known Comic characters from Image, Vertigo, The Walking Dead, Planetary, Wildstorm, etc.
Posted by Blood_guts
@Jnr6Lil said:
@Blood_guts said:
@Jnr6Lil said:

@Blood_guts said:

@Jnr6Lil said:

@Blood_guts said:

@Jnr6Lil said:
Manga vs. Comic in a way would be one-sided, If u wanted to do Manga vs. Comic u would have to have guys like Scarlet Witch, and Jean Grey because Manga severely overpower their characters.
what about jin and mugen from samurai champloo? or anyone from basalisk?
Depends on ur category of manga, I'm thinking Dragon Ball Z, Naruto, One Piece, etc.
well now that brings up and intertesting point. of course ppl from dbz are nuts but peple like jin are just regular fighters.   does anyone think its at all possible we could use only the weaker anime characters?
Jin?
  the guy on the right. he has no special abilities aside from his natural skill and intense training. to my knowledge he never does anything supernatural like hacking a building in half *cough* kenpachi zaraki *cough* 
Yes but if ypu're going to do lesser known Anime characters, then ur gonna have to do lesser known Comic characters from Image, Vertigo, The Walking Dead, Planetary, Wildstorm, etc.
i dont mean lesser known i mean weaker lol. im just saying you don't HAVE to pick goku and then find someone like the hulk to fight him.
Posted by Baltoro

See, this thread is a little silly because the site is called Comicvine, not Mangavine. I think the moderators need to go a step further and eliminate Video Game vs Comics and Movie vs Comics, I'm sure there are other forums for that kind of nonsense.  Fact is, Comicvine should only debate comics.  Manga are NOT just japanese comics, they are a totally different media of entertainment.  Just because they are on paper doesnt make them the same as a comic book. 

Posted by ShenLong

Well I'm glad this forum for the most part is going well. It explained things thoroughly that the guys at CV should have maybe explained to any fans that might have been shocked or felt a bite in the butt. 

Posted by ShenLong

Baltoro just commented on your blog post: "Re-enable Manga Vs. Comic".

"See, this thread is a little silly because the site is called Comicvine, not Mangavine. I think the moderators need to go a step further and eliminate Video Game vs Comics and Movie vs Comics, I'm sure there are other forums for that kind of nonsense.  Fact is, Comicvine should only debate comics.  Manga are NOT just japanese comics, they are a totally different media of entertainment.  Just because they are on paper doesnt make them the same as a comic book.  " 
 
 
See, I could understand this. Maybe CV or Britannica or something should come up with a better definition of what comics are, as opposed to manga. In other countries, such as France, there are 'comics', but I don't know if that would fall under the same category. For example, Tintin is a comic in France in a style that is more Archie than Marvel or DC. Is it comic? It's called that.... This is what I find confusing......... Any intelligent explanations/comments? 
 
 
If you don't know Tintin, you can youtube it. This December, a Tintin movie made by Steven Spielberg will be hitting theaters. It's a bit Archie meets Dick Tracey, with some Popeye.

Posted by super_psycho

Nooooooooooooooooo ......most of the comic-book readers don't know anything about manga and manga readers don't know anything about comic-books, which leads to flame war ....

Posted by ShenLong
@progenitor: All I have against Juggernaut is that he's a bad guy who was weak and has constantly gotten stronger, while one of my favorite super strength villains Rhino has no where to go, because he doesn't have magicroids. Sure Juggy goes good, but like Magneto he goes right back to evil.
Posted by Jnr6Lil
@Blood_guts said:
@Jnr6Lil said:
@Blood_guts said:
@Jnr6Lil said:

@Blood_guts said:

@Jnr6Lil said:

@Blood_guts said:

@Jnr6Lil said:
Manga vs. Comic in a way would be one-sided, If u wanted to do Manga vs. Comic u would have to have guys like Scarlet Witch, and Jean Grey because Manga severely overpower their characters.
what about jin and mugen from samurai champloo? or anyone from basalisk?
Depends on ur category of manga, I'm thinking Dragon Ball Z, Naruto, One Piece, etc.
well now that brings up and intertesting point. of course ppl from dbz are nuts but peple like jin are just regular fighters.   does anyone think its at all possible we could use only the weaker anime characters?
Jin?
  the guy on the right. he has no special abilities aside from his natural skill and intense training. to my knowledge he never does anything supernatural like hacking a building in half *cough* kenpachi zaraki *cough* 
Yes but if ypu're going to do lesser known Anime characters, then ur gonna have to do lesser known Comic characters from Image, Vertigo, The Walking Dead, Planetary, Wildstorm, etc.
i dont mean lesser known i mean weaker lol. im just saying you don't HAVE to pick goku and then find someone like the hulk to fight him.
But in comics these day weaker is usually lesser known
Posted by venomoushatred1001
@Dernman said:
You lost any credibility the moment you made the racist accusation.

This.
Posted by Sherlock

They Comic vs Manga/Anime threads will prolly never come back.They did just recently try to bring it back and ended that in less than a day.The reason for this is the all out flame wars that came from all the Anime Vs Comic threads.Everyone just got into fights and it didnt work.BTW i feel i should say in the most recent case of flame wars the comic fans were just as much to blame (Perhaps more so) as the anime fans

Posted by Chaos Prime

i dont mind having Anime characters back in the battle forum only aslong as DBZ characters & Pokimon arnt involved..

Posted by TheGoldenOne
@Sherlock said:
They Comic vs Manga/Anime threads will prolly never come back.They did just recently try to bring it back and ended that in less than a day.The reason for this is the all out flame wars that came from all the Anime Vs Comic threads.Everyone just got into fights and it didnt work.BTW i feel i should say in the most recent case of flame wars the comic fans were just as much to blame (Perhaps more so) as the anime fans
QFT.
Posted by Phylos

i wouldnt mind if it was brought back, but not permanantly. i suppose picking a few days out of...lets say..a month? and letting debates go on. just keep the ones that are genuinely debating about who will win, as opposed to "NO!! YOUR WRONG, GOKU WILL JUST ONE SHOT SUPERMANZ!!". i believe it could work. 
 
so again, just keep the ones that are troll free, which will be hard, but just flag them. i believe there are good battles between comic/anime universes. personally, id like see sakura go head to head with she-hulk. as soon as the trolling starts, just flag them, there easy to spot.  for as long as i've been here on the vine, there are many good debaters.  
 
so why not?

Posted by Chaos Prime
@Phylos agree there are some great Anime characters like Alucard & Dark Sneider that made some great debates against their comic book cousins. 
Just KEEP DBZ characters away from this battle forum..
Posted by Phylos
@Chaos Prime
yeah, that sounds about right.  
DBZ threads usually start the trolling right away. but i honestly feel like everything else could be maintained. just when someone starts there thread, make sure their clear about the rules & the debate. like one word answers, i feel those start trolling as well, if you cant come up with a decent explanation, then dont write anything at all. it'll take some time to get around to, but i do believe it's possible, i feel as though my idea could work.
Posted by Chaos Prime
@Phylos said:
@Chaos Prime: yeah, that sounds about right.  DBZ threads usually start the trolling right away. but i honestly feel like everything else could be maintained. just when someone starts there thread, make sure their clear about the rules & the debate. like one word answers, i feel those start trolling as well, if you cant come up with a decent explanation, then dont write anything at all. it'll take some time to get around to, but i do believe it's possible, i feel as though my idea could work.
send one of the Battle forum mods a PM u never know it might work :-)
Posted by ShenLong
I'd go with an annual day of battles, with CV posting the winners the next day, so that next year more battles could be done, etc. Big super fans could prepare for these like tournaments.
Posted by Phylos
@ShenLong
just pick about 4 battles & ride with that. posting the winner the next day could be good, it'd dilute the trolling/negativity. 
the MODS should do a trial run of Sakura from naruto vs. She-Hulk, only because id like to see what turns out.
Posted by ShenLong
@Blood_guts: I checked Wikipedia for Samurai Champllo and found it and it said it is published by Kadokawa atleast in manga form, but it also has other publishers. However I couldn't find Basalisk....some help?
Posted by cascadeking09

If you want to debate manga/ anime vs comic books there are plenty of other websites that allow it. This type of thing has been done way too many times.

Posted by God_Spawn

The ban was uplifted a few months ago, people couldn't handle it. There isn't a reason why they should enabled again when you can just go over to animevice.

Moderator
Posted by Blood_guts
@Jnr6Lil: true fact 
 
@Chaos Prime said:
i dont mind having Anime characters back in the battle forum only aslong as DBZ characters & Pokimon arnt involved..
yes 
 
@Baltoro
said:
See, this thread is a little silly because the site is called Comicvine, not Mangavine. I think the moderators need to go a step further and eliminate Video Game vs Comics and Movie vs Comics, I'm sure there are other forums for that kind of nonsense.  Fact is, Comicvine should only debate comics.  Manga are NOT just japanese comics, they are a totally different media of entertainment.  Just because they are on paper doesnt make them the same as a comic book. 
I disagree. first off there are hardly any fights that are both good and haven't been done before. second deciding video games and movies is not only key because of super hero games like infamous or prototype and super hero movies but they are also fun. i personally enjoy debating video game characters and i know many people enjoy anime debates. i think people having fun is all the reason needed to bring any form of art in...... that said flame wars are no fun which is reason enough to not have anime..
Posted by jashro44

I think there should be restrictions
 
like no superman vs anime characters or DBZ vs comic characters. Those are usually the debates that lead to flame wars as far as I have seen.

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