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Posted by _Black

Kallark.

Posted by Bernicky

Nova at like full nova-prime could maybe

Posted by czarny_samael666

Nova, because he know defeat Stronian and Apoc doesn't have a chance to posses him.

Posted by crackerjack82

@czarny_samael666 said:

Nova, because he know defeat Stronian and Apoc doesn't have a chance to posses him.

truth

Edited by Spartan101

glads at full imo

Posted by jeanroygrant

If Nova is Nova Prime than he wins!

If it's regular Nova vs 100% Gladiator than Gladiator wins!

Posted by Killemall
On contrary to what most people are saying, since this is morals on, provided Apo uses his powers to best use he is going be the hardest to stop. Mind rape at its best 
 
Problem is he doesnt use his powers smart , may be the writers doesnt want to him to be so special. 
 
Apart from this happening, 
@jeanroygrant said:

If Nova is Nova Prime than he wins!

If it's regular Nova vs 100% Gladiator than Gladiator wins!

I agree with this!
Posted by czarny_samael666
@Killemall said:
On contrary to what most people are saying, since this is morals on, provided Apo uses his powers to best use he is going be the hardest to stop. Mind rape at its best 
 
Problem is he doesnt use his powers smart , may be the writers doesnt want to him to be so special. 
 
Apart from this happening, 
@jeanroygrant said:

If Nova is Nova Prime than he wins!

If it's regular Nova vs 100% Gladiator than Gladiator wins!

I agree with this!
Nova has shown high resistance to telepathy.
Posted by Killemall

@czarny_samael666 said:

Nova has shown high resistance to telepathy.

Telepathy is not the only power Apocalypse has, he has many other powers which can be used effectively in a battle. Telepathy is one thing is constantly fails to uses and if he does use it should work well against Gladiator.

Apocalypse when written problem is extremely hard to physically harm due to his complete control of his molecules (much like Sinister), he has TK to support his cause. Besides one of his cannon power is to control machines, nova's corp helmet that Nova generally wears is a machine too, he might just be able to control it. When he is written properly, which pretty much never happens, he becomes altogether a very powerful foe to fight against. The problem however is this rarely happens.

Apart from this happening i think Nova Prime would take it.

Posted by Spartan101

glads at full confidence is almost superman levels if not them,,glad should win this.

Posted by czarny_samael666
@Killemall said:

@czarny_samael666 said:

Nova has shown high resistance to telepathy.

Telepathy is not the only power Apocalypse has, he has many other powers which can be used effectively in a battle. Telepathy is one thing is constantly fails to uses and if he does use it should work well against Gladiator.

Apocalypse when written problem is extremely hard to physically harm due to his complete control of his molecules (much like Sinister), he has TK to support his cause. Besides one of his cannon power is to control machines, nova's corp helmet that Nova generally wears is a machine too, he might just be able to control it. When he is written properly, which pretty much never happens, he becomes altogether a very powerful foe to fight against. The problem however is this rarely happens.

Apart from this happening i think Nova Prime would take it.

1.Gladiator has shown high telepathy-resistance (against Rachel Summers and currently against Magus).
2.Worldmind was able to resist to Phalanx (combined with Ultron at that time), which IMO have much higher control over thech than Apoc. 
3.Nova has not only physical strength, but powerfull energy attacks and gravimetric shields. IMO he can imprison Apoc in one of them (which should be considered as a win) and then crush him in them.
Posted by HellionVulcan

What version of Nova that fought Xenith ? as she was wrecking him badly well every one in those few issues before nova pulled a Reed Richards on her (can't see gladiator falling for it either as hes way faster then nova could dream plus more ruthless) & gladiator has already beaten nova but Apocalypse should be the hardest to put down since his powers allow him to withstand most of their attacks .... my gut tells me Apocalypse my head says Gladiator .

Posted by Killemall

@czarny_samael666 said:

1.Gladiator has shown high telepathy-resistance (against Rachel Summers and currently against Magus).

Gladiator is the most recent series, Annihilators earthfall, was being mind controlled rather easily by Magus so i think telepathy works against him. Its little surprising that you gave the same magus example despite Gladiator actually attacking the Annihilator squad and fighting Quasar, even breaking his constructs.

2.Worldmind was able to resist to Phalanx (combined with Ultron at that time), which IMO have much higher control over thech than Apoc.

I do remember reading Phalanx Covenent saga and seeing Nova come to earth and leave sadly. I dont remember him resisting their control, however. Did i miss a issue, could you explain what happened? Scans would be most helpful. But yeah if this is indeed the case i stand corrected here.

3.Nova has not only physical strength, but powerfull energy attacks and gravimetric shields. IMO he can imprison Apoc in one of them (which should be considered as a win) and then crush him in them.

For anyone who has complete control of himself, how effective can an energy attack me against him. Destroy his body and he can easily reform, hurt him and he can reform too. Gravietric shield is something i havent seen, however the question that begs himself is how often does he use this powers. Is it regular enough to give Nova majority of victory because of such abilities specially in a fight thats with standard morals and in character?

Imprisoning him in one of a gravimetic shield should work, i dont really know what it is, but crushing him would it work? Can he simply not reform (despite what happened in his fight against Magneto which i consider a massive PIS, although he did pull himself together at the end of the issue).

Posted by HellionVulcan

How could Nova's gravimetic shield hold apocalypse down when it couldn't even contain Xenith for a long time all apocalypse has to do is increase his strength & boom its broken as i'm sure Xenith & Apocalypse should be around the same strength level at peak levels with out aid from tech & such ..

Posted by ShenLong

I bet writers would make Nova on par with Thor even if Thor is holding back for story's sake, and Gladiator at full power I think is weaker than Hulk but way weaker than Worldbreaker Hulk. There is no way Apoc could take WWH it would be total rape. Think WWH > Sentry > Molecule Man >>>>>>>>>>>>> Apoc. I think Nova > Gladiator > Apoc, bc it is generally agreed that Thor = the strongest Hulk only when Thor holds back. Thor killed Serpent, who I'm guessing is stronger than all the Worthy combined. Considering this, Nova ought not even have to go Prime to win this, I just put this thread out there bc Glad has Superman fighting skills and abilities and Apoc is a tactical genius with some super strength on par with many Hulk incarnations.

Posted by HellionVulcan

@ShenLong said:

I bet writers would make Nova on par with Thor even if Thor is holding back for story's sake, and Gladiator at full power I think is weaker than Hulk but way weaker than Worldbreaker Hulk. There is no way Apoc could take WWH it would be total rape. Think WWH > Sentry > Molecule Man >>>>>>>>>>>>> Apoc. I think Nova > Gladiator > Apoc, bc it is generally agreed that Thor = the strongest Hulk only when Thor holds back. Thor killed Serpent, who I'm guessing is stronger than all the Worthy combined. Considering this, Nova ought not even have to go Prime to win this, I just put this thread out there bc Glad has Superman fighting skills and abilities and Apoc is a tactical genius with some super strength on par with many Hulk incarnations.

you've massively wrong Nova is no where near Thor in anything maybe besides speed & gladiator is many levels above hulk in terms of overall power read that thread about Gladiator for how good he is as nova would lose to Gladiator like he has before even nova prime struggled with Gladiators cousin Xenith who isn't equal with Gladiator but Apocalypse going all out has tanked Black bolt voice but all bloodlusted i see Gladiator as the winner his speed (at over 100 times the speed of light) strength & overall ruthlessness are unmatched in this but all straight up apocalypse might try to possess Gladiator & just win through that means cause lets face it i doubt apocalypse could catch either guy in a speedblitz .. .

Posted by Killemall

@HellionVulcan said:

@ShenLong said:

you've massively wrong Nova is no where near Thor in anything maybe besides speed & gladiator is many levels above hulk in terms of overall power read that thread about Gladiator for how good he is as nova would lose to Gladiator like he has before even nova prime struggled with Gladiators cousin Xenith who isn't equal with Gladiator but Apocalypse going all out has tanked Black bolt voice but all bloodlusted i see Gladiator as the winner his speed (at over 100 times the speed of light) strength & overall ruthlessness are unmatched in this but all straight up apocalypse might try to possess Gladiator & just win through that means cause lets face it i doubt apocalypse could catch either guy in a speedblitz .. .

I agree to pretty much everything stated in this comment however i would like to point out few stuffs:

  • Nova Prime himself is pretty damn durable and strong, but i have to agree Thor has to be stronger. However when you use terms like "no where near" it gives an impression that the difference is massive, which is not true. Nova Prime (not not normal Nova) has some very impressive feats and he is close to Thor in pretty much every aspect (perhaps not versatility, Thor's hammer seem to be able to do bugger all).
  • Gladiator and Nova Prime both can speedblitz Apocalypse, never doubted that. However, since nothing has been stated about morals, comicvine rules dictated that we assume its an encounter with morals on and in character. Gladiator and Nova Prime do not speedblitz in character and this pretty much takes out speedblitz out of the equation (i do admit Gladiator has speedblitz opponent in the past, notably 2 times to the best of my knoweledge, but not doing so is more consistent with his overall showings).
Posted by terry2012

Between Nova Prime and Gladiators should wins this.