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#1 Posted by Shamelesslysupportinaznballers (553 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm not saying Bautista is a great choice but some of you people are acting like we're missing out on a gold mine by not having Momoa. If Marvel doesn't want to overpay Momoa then they're right not to. He's not going to draw in people & he's not going to make this movie like RDJ. Who cares.

As for Bautista, he seems just adequate for the role if he gets it. He has a great look & he doesn't need to say much. He just needs to be as good as one of the grunts who were in the background for one of the 2 expendables movies.

#2 Posted by Shamelesslysupportinaznballers (553 posts) - - Show Bio

@Avengers_4everXX: Your examples reminds me of Cloak & Dagger along with Juggernaut being involved in the X-Men and saying that non-mutants are a big part of the team when in reality non-mutants have been just sprinkled in.

Wanda did have a good role but it's the exception I guess. Just like Juggernaut, a non-mutant in the X-Men.

#3 Posted by Shamelesslysupportinaznballers (553 posts) - - Show Bio

people are getting too worked up over silly stuff. Age of Ultron hmmmmm....if it's anything like Age of X & Age of Apocalypse I guess technically in continuity but in the end it's just another What If story.

#4 Posted by Shamelesslysupportinaznballers (553 posts) - - Show Bio

While I don't think Bush was the main reason the economy went bad, it certainly went bad on his watch. With Obama, when something breaks down, you just can't magically repair it. Republicans of course want to blame Obama for not restoring the economy and Democrats are saying that if not for Obama, the economy could have been even worst.

Personally I think they are both right. It's been 4 years & the economy should be better. On the other hand we fell pretty hard and it's tough to just come back from it.

As far as Obama getting reelected, it's quite simple, Romney was an idiot.

#5 Posted by Shamelesslysupportinaznballers (553 posts) - - Show Bio

@Vance Astro said:

@Shamelesslysupportinaznballers said:

Except that 1 time in 1999(?) vs Utah, all the Hack a Shaq ever did to Shaq when he was a Laker was prevent him from getting the ball to make a game winner. Otherwise Shaq was just so good that him making 1/2 from the line didn't really hurt the Lakers because he was still so good at everything else.

The question is, was Shaq technically "stoppable on defense"? Is hack a shaq effective enough for anyone to say it's a way to STOP Shaq? The game you're talking about in '99, Shaq probably dropped like 25-30 despite the final outcome.I don't think any player or set of players can say they ever effectively held Shaq down on the defense. I mean you may stop him from winning the game by putting him on the line but did you really STOP him if he hit his average or over that as far as scoring? Not directing this at you as if you brought it up, just asking.

I don't remember much of that game just that Utah spanked our butts for a very long time, I believe it was the last game of the season, Shaq made the game winner & we proceeded to celebrate like we won the freaking championship. But no, I don't think Hack a Shaq ever worked against him in his prime. Shaq was never as bad as D12 is now or Ben Wallace. I'll take 50% from the FT line w/Shaq and the rest of the guys on def.

Hack a Nick Anderson on the other hand worked quite well for the Rockets......

@dccomicsrule2011 said:

@Shamelesslysupportinaznballers: To me Kobe was clearly the Pippen in the relationship & Jordan wouldn't have won it w/o him either. So whether it's fair or not, Kobe does have that against him. It didnt help that when Shaq was rolling, he to me was challenging Jordan for GOAT. Then he got fat and well we all know what happened after that.

Kobe clearly helped Shaq more then Pippen helped Jordan and the diffrence is Kobe has won with out Shaq while Pippen never won with out Jordan,when the game was on the line the ball was in Kobe's hand when the game was on the line ain't no way Pippen was taking the last shot over MJ.

As far as Kareem and who he played against. Honestly it doesn't matter. He dominated his peers like very few did and did it well into the 80s.

But none of the guys he played against was as good as the guys Kobe had to compete against Duncan,Lebron and Shaq are all better then the guys Kareem played against in his glory days.

He dominated his peers like very few did and did it well into the 80s. The guy came in and spanked Wilt and left spanking guys like Mchale, Hakeem, Parish, Ewing. His finals performance at age 37 I believe was magnificent.

Kobe has also "spanked" guys such as Ray Allen,Lebron James,,Jason Kidd, Allen Iverson,Steve Nash,Paul Peirce etc.

Also, I can honestly make the same arguement for Jordan when he dominated during the 90s. That was when you had those 2 Canadian expansion teams, high school players started being drafted early and the European players hadn't yet taken over the league to fill the talent gap that came about due to the expansion & early entries. We're not going to take anything away from Jordan for dominating when others didn't now are we?

You could, but Jordan also dominated during the 80's as well (although he never won a championship) my point is you can't penalize Kobe for getting less MVP's when he played against other guys that are debatably in the top 10 such as Lebron,Duncan and Shaq. Kobe had a harder time getting MVP because the level of people he played against was better then the level talent he was playing against.

The only team Kobe & the Lakers ever played against in the playoffs that were worthy opponents were the Spurs & Celtics. None of the East teams with the exception of the Celtics were any good. So no, I don't agree that Kobe had it anywhere near as tough as Kareem or Jordan. Hands down the guys Kareem & Jordan played against were much much tougher. I'll take Wilt, West & Baylor, McHale, Bird, Parish & Dennis Johnson over any of the 3 guys that Kobe (& Shaq) played against. Yes, over Lebron, Wade, Bosh & this Heat team too. Those teams would whoop Lebron & the Heat right now, whoops the Spurs & make OKC cry like the babies they are.

As far as Kobe & the pippen debate. Sure Kobe was better but he still wasn't the man & had to ride on Shaq's back. Jordan always was the man and there was no questions about it He ruled the league. Kobe didn't. plain and simple. We might as well be starting a debate on whether or not Shaq is better than Jordan and I would use the same arguement why he's not like I am for Kobe. He didn't dominate the league year in & out (lack of MVPs), he wasn't the man in all of his championships (the lone one in Mia).

As far as Jordan's domination in the 80s, yea he played 4 years in the 80s (he was injured for 1 year) & won a MVP. The MVP solidified his dominance & he has a total of 5. Kobe has 1.

#6 Posted by Shamelesslysupportinaznballers (553 posts) - - Show Bio

@dccomicsrule2011 said:

@Shamelesslysupportinaznballers:

He has 5 championships but Shaq was the regular season MVP, the Finals MVP & Kobe was just the side kick for 3 of those championships.

I disagree, while it's true Kobe would have never won those rings with out Shaq,it is also true Shaq would have never won a damn thing with out Kobe either,Kobe played great as well it just so happens Shaq played better.

How are you going to compare that to Jordan?

I'm not comparing him,in fact I never have.

To me Kobe needs another amazing year or 2 to even be mentioned as possibly the GOAT

I'm not disagreeing with that,but you can not ignore all the things Kobe has done in his career either, right now I would rank Kobe in the top 10 and is very close to being in the top 5.

A MVP would help but another championship along with being named finals MVP at Kobe's age to me would make Kobe more worthy to be mentioned with Jordan.

As I said before MVP's does not mean everything especially when you are going up against guys like Duncan,Lebron and Shaq,just be honest the guys Kareem and Jordan went up against when he got his 6 MVP's were not as good as the guys Kobe went up against.Not to mention they almost always give it to the guy with the better record.

If Kobe wins another championship and Dwight or whoever is the finals MVP instead of Kobe, that doesn't say to me that Kobe is definately GOAT better than Jordan.

I don't think Kobe would ever be considered the GOAT but I believe if he can win another championship or have some more solid years under his belt he could place himself in the top 5 all time.

To me Kobe was clearly the Pippen in the relationship & Jordan wouldn't have won it w/o him either. So whether it's fair or not, Kobe does have that against him. It didnt help that when Shaq was rolling, he to me was challenging Jordan for GOAT. Then he got fat and well we all know what happened after that.

As far as Kareem and who he played against. Honestly it doesn't matter. He dominated his peers like very few did and did it well into the 80s. The guy came in and spanked Wilt and left spanking guys like Mchale, Hakeem, Parish, Ewing. His finals performance at age 37 I believe was magnificent. Also, I can honestly make the same arguement for Jordan when he dominated during the 90s. That was when you had those 2 Canadian expansion teams, high school players started being drafted early and the European players hadn't yet taken over the league to fill the talent gap that came about due to the expansion & early entries. We're not going to take anything away from Jordan for dominating when others didn't now are we?

#7 Posted by Shamelesslysupportinaznballers (553 posts) - - Show Bio

@Vance Astro said:

@Batnandez said:

@Vance Astro: Shaq dominates on offense, hmmm how can we keep him from scoring I know he sucks at free throws let's just foul him that way he scores less

does that make sense?

That makes sense. I know what the Hack-A-Shaq is, what i'm saying is when was it that Shaq didn't have a great game offensively because of the Hack-A-Shaq? You can't foul him all game and he's going to make some of those free throws.

Except that 1 time in 1999(?) vs Utah, all the Hack a Shaq ever did to Shaq when he was a Laker was prevent him from getting the ball to make a game winner. Otherwise Shaq was just so good that him making 1/2 from the line didn't really hurt the Lakers because he was still so good at everything else.

and to his credit, he sort of did make it when it counted.

It's not like Dwight right now where the Hacking actually is hurting us cause D12 isn't doing enough to off set it.

#8 Posted by Shamelesslysupportinaznballers (553 posts) - - Show Bio

@King Saturn said:

now think about this one... who was the better SG ? Dennis Johnson or Joe Dumars ?

Jordan scored 63 vs Dennis Johnson & the Celtics

Jordan scored 61 vs Joe Dumars & the Pistons.

Winner: Joe Dumars

#9 Edited by Shamelesslysupportinaznballers (553 posts) - - Show Bio

@Vance Astro said:

@Shamelesslysupportinaznballers said:

yes he puts Rondo, TP and everyone else to shame. For CP3, I guess Stock simply is just better. For your statement that CP3's assist & points contributes to more points.....CP3 on his 2 best years avg 21.95ppg & 11.3 ast.. Let's just assume 1 assist is 2 points so that gives CP3 44.55 points. Stock on his 2 best years avg 17.2ppg & 14.35 ast which gives us 45.9 points. 45.9 is better than 44.55.

BTW in those 2 years, Stockton avg 3.65 steals. CP3 avg 2.75.

I don't know if you're purposely using hyperbole or what this is supposed to be. "Put to shame" and having stats that are better by slim margins isn't the same thing.

Slim margins? Really explain. I'm comparing all of Stockton's prime years and it's better. Heck I don't even know why these guys are in the same conversation as Stock. When one of these guys can ever avg as many assists as Stockton have in a single season, then we'll talk. We're talking about a man who owns 5 of the 6 top assists seasons and is the league leader in assists. These guys are not anywhere near the same level as Stockton. Only 2 players in the modern era are and that's Magic & Isiah & I know you're not going to tell me these guys are as good as Magic & Isiah were.

@Shamelesslysupportinaznballers said:

Only 3 more assists? 3 assists is the difference between Rondo & Westbrook. 2 assists is the difference between Westbrook & Jeremy Lin, 1 assists is the difference between Lin & Iggy. 3 more assist is huge!

You might as well say Kevin Durant only scores 6 more points than Steph Curry and try to argue Curry is as good as KD.

And you want to compare Stockton when he was a rookie riding the bench & his later years when he was in his late 30s to CP3? Sorry. That's like saying Kobe in his prime years at 28 is better than MJ as a rookie or MJ as a wizard and as a result, Kobe is better than MJ.

Sorry, I don't see the logic in that.

The difference between Westbrook and Rondo in this argument in comparison to Stockton is they are still playing. Stockton isn't. Rondo only gets better every year. Rondo's assists have grown every year since he got in the league and he's averaged over 10 for the last 3 seasons. If he can maintain his current average he will for his career average far more assists than Westbrook assuming Westbrook never averages over 7. Not to mention the difference in teams in relation to their assists. Rondo was averaging 11 assists with a far inferior team, Westbrook is only averaging 7 with alot better scoring options.

I have no idea what your point is here. You're saying 3 assists difference isn't a lot, i'm saying it is and i'm backing up my words with facts and proof. Rondo is more of a passing PG, Westbrook is more of a SG & the difference in assists backs it up. Apply it to Stockton & CP3 and well those 3 assists sure says something doesn't it?

@Shamelesslysupportinaznballers said:

And you want to compare Stockton when he was a rookie riding the bench & his later years when he was in his late 30s to CP3? Sorry. That's like saying Kobe in his prime years at 28 is better than MJ as a rookie or MJ as a wizard and as a result, Kobe is better than MJ.

My comparison wouldn't be anything like that. It would me more like saying MJ is better than Kobe because he's NEVER averaged anything below 20 and Kobe has. My point was simply that CP3 has never averaged below 16pts.

Ok point taken, Stockton wasn't that great when he was riding the bench or when he 35 and over. BTW, in 10 seasons so far, CP3 has never avg 12 assists per game. Stockton has done it 8 seasons in a row. Your move.

@Shamelesslysupportinaznballers said:

Well scoring isn't a big deal to me for a PG and its all about assists. Again stockton avg more assists & like I showed you earlier, stock contributed more points based on his assists & points combined than CP3.

Overall career stockton is better. You take the best years of their individual careers and stockton is better. The only time CP3 is better is when Stockton was riding the bench or when Stockton was close to 40, so there, i'll give you that.

CP3 is better than Stockton when he was close to 40 or riding the bench in the early years.

Scoring is a big deal when you PG actually needs to score. CP3 never had a Karl Malone.

wait wait wait....I thought Karl Malone wasn't as good as today's players????? but you're right all CP3 had was a 3pt specialist in Peja, Tyson Chandler who consistently leads the lead in FG% & David West while in Cha. Now he has tons of 3pt shooters and 2 dunking machines in Blake & Deandre.

As far as scoring, hey a PG helps their team get their points anyway they can. CP3 is a little bit better at scoring, Stockton is A LOT better than CP3 at assisting. You add them up in points and again, Stockton leads the way.

BTW, the main reason why CP3 isn't in Stockton's league is health & conditioning. You can point to ppg, steals, assists or whatever but in the end, Stockton played almost every single game and played it at a very high level. CP3 on the other hand can't play as well as he can because of his knees & conditioning. The potential is there but sorry, actual acheivements trump potential every single time.

#10 Posted by Shamelesslysupportinaznballers (553 posts) - - Show Bio

@dccomicsrule2011 said:

@Shamelesslysupportinaznballers: Sorry I did not reply my response to you that's my bad.

He was masterful, PHX was a great team, it was fun to watch and he clearly was the main reason behind it. It's hard for me to argue against someone who is probably the best shooter of all time and was having as many assists as he did. He deserved it.

Nash is certainly not the best shooter of all time, Ray Allen ,Reggie Miller,Steve Kerr,Larry Bird were all better 3 point shooters to me.This is a yes or no question was Setve Nash ever the best player in the NBA? No but he did win the MVP twice which by your standards mean he was the best player in the NBA at the time which we can all agree he was not,that's my whole knock with the MVP award.

I'm not going to compare Kerr to these guys. I don't like comparing specialists who only really had 2 jobs, 1 was try not to be horrible and 2 was do whatever the one thing it was they were good at. Cant compare them to someone like Nash, Bird, Reggie or Ray who was expected to carry the whole team & had much more responsibility. Not saying Kerr wasn't a good player but it's a whole different league here. Kerr I don't think even started...ever.

If you look at pure volume made then Nash isn't one of the best, if you look at pure shooting percentage however, Nash is a machine. His FG%, 3pt% & FT% are ALL tops among those guys & it's not like Nash is like Tony Parker who lives in the paint. So for someone like Nash who has to handle the ball as much as he does and still be able to make that many quality shots is amazing. I just imagine someone like Kobe who shoots a bad percentage because of the responsibilities and then apply it with Nash and it's amazing how he can shoot as well as he does. You would expect someone like Nash to shoot in the low 40s in FG% & low to mid 30s for 3pt% but no, he's better than Reggie, Bird & Ray who for the most part they were spot up shooters and played off of screens. That to me makes Nash the best shooter I've ever seen.

As far as whether or not Nash was the best player in the NBA at the time when he won his 2 MVPs. For his 1st MVP I thought it was a toss up between Nash, Duncan, Dirk & Shaq. Those 4 guys to me were the best players in the NBA for that year & I have no problems with Nash winning it. I'm not going to take anything away from Nash but either way Kobe had no business being in the conversation that year. You just can't play in about 60 games, your team not make the playoffs and still be considered Most Valuable when you have these other guys who did what they did.

The 2nd year however.....Kobe was robbed!! If there was ever a guy that was doing all he can in a losing effort it was Kobe. If Kwame didn't have his head in the gutter after that rape allegation, the Lakers would have beaten the Suns in the 1st round IMO! We were up 3-1 I believe until that BS.

But when Kobe finally won it...CP3 was robbed!!

But like I said, you have to consider everything, championships, mvps, records and right now I don't see Kobe being in the top 3 of all time. He needs 1 more championship to even be in the conversation of being GOAT

Kobe has 5 championships he has many records we have already been over the MVP thing,Kobe pretty much excels at everything you name except maybe MVP? And I agree Kobe is not in the top 3 now but by time he ends his career he could be.

He has 5 championships but Shaq was the regular season MVP, the Finals MVP & Kobe was just the side kick for 3 of those championships. How are you going to compare that to Jordan? To me Kobe needs another amazing year or 2 to even be mentioned as possibly the GOAT. A MVP would help but another championship along with being named finals MVP at Kobe's age to me would make Kobe more worthy to be mentioned with Jordan. If Kobe wins another championship and Dwight or whoever is the finals MVP instead of Kobe, that doesn't say to me that Kobe is definately GOAT better than Jordan.