Diversity is never just for the sake of Diversity

I see this argument against me and other people who tend to want or question why there is a lack of diversity in comics. They argue you are just doing it to be diverse and it serves no purpose, etc. But yeah thats the point we want to be diverse, because the world is diverse and we want to reflect it. The main reason we want diversity is because we want a character or a narrative that we can see ourselves in and that we can aspire too. Studies have proven that when young children that are minorities whether it be gender, race or sexuality see characters that look or resemble them in someway it actually boosts confidence and self esteem. So it's important to increase the number of these characters. But you just can't increase them you have to show positive portrayals of them. And we are lacking in that, even one of marvels current prime black characters( Luke Cage) used to be almost nothing more then a horrible caricature, some argue he still is to this day. I don't really see it but not being black maybe it is a lot less noticeable to me. Another example is that Native American characters almost always tend to have some kind of mystic ability, such as warpath randomly gaining mystical powers at some point. It's ridiculous and is once again a caricature.

Diversity is important and we need to stop with this genderblind/colorblind/ additude because it's actually harmful. If you reside to a colorblind additude it allows you to ignore the systematic oppression's that minorities still face in this society. It allows you to say that we are all the "same" so it's okay. But there is still along way to go for the fight for equality, women are still paid less then men on average, black people are paid even less, we have islamophobia and homophobia and so many more inequalities that we need to face. Being colorblind is effectively ignoring those problems by saying that we are " equal" when in society we really aren't.

It's like this. Imagine society to be a circular racing track. The father you are from the center the less distance you have to run, lets say that those are the white, cisgender, straight, able bodied men, statistically and systematically it is easier for them to get through life, easier for them to get a job, easier to get better pay, easier for them to have role models that look and act like and have similar experiences to them, less likely for them to get arrested, etc. ( note: I'm saying statistically and or on average. Obviously we all have our own struggle in life and I'm not judging them or dismissing there problems). As you move on, on the race track the more distance we you have to travel and the more hardships on average these people have to deal with, so you start seeing PoC, women, members of the lgbt spectrum, etc, and a mix of them as you get farther and farther from the center. A colorblind/genderblind/ etc approach would have them all start at the same section, because to those people we are all the same and they don't see that the distance is farther for some of these people. By not thinking in a colorblind way you can see the struggle the distance and realize that to make it more equal you start people in the race slightly in front of people who have less distance, so that the race can attempt to be more equal.

This is the same reason why a lot of people( me being one of them)see it okay to change a white character into a poc in an alternate universe or have them played by a actor of color. Or changing a male character into a female character in an alt universe/movie, or why it's okay to have a straight character(or a believed to be straight character) to come out as somewhere on the lgbtq spectrum. It's because there are already so many white, male, straight characters, and fewer of these types, an yes would I liek a whole new original character? Yes I would, however I don't mind seeing these changes either, especially for the LGBTQ spectrum one because often times in society a person may not even realize or want to accept there sexuality until they are much older so its realistically possible for that to happen,

And the reason it's not okay to change a minority character or have them played by a white actor etc. Is because we have so few of them, especially ones that are positive portrayals Plus there is a history of redface/blackface/yellowface in are media that is racist and denied parts to actors of color to have them be played by a white actor instead. In fact it's still happening to this day with Tonto being played by Johhny Depp in the lone ranger, in a horrible caricature pan native racist way, even if it wasn't his intention thats what it is.

Anyway this whole blog post started because I saw the article on the new Justice League 3000, and saw that a future team is still not all that diverse from what I can tell, from what we know now it's still an all white( unless that green lantern turns out to be john Stewart or a descendant or something) mostly male team, that is mostly likely going to be straight and cisgender. And When you think about that it's kind of sad. I mean I would like to think that in a thousand years, all the fighting that we've done would have paid, off, that diversity would be embraced and loved. And that PoC and women, and lgbt people can be superheros. That maybe the struggles that I'm dealing with could be lifted, and that somebody like me in the future could be a superhero, even if it is only fiction.

Whats the point of sci fi, and fantasy if we cant even be diverse about it. If you can imagine an orphan alien that looks human landing on earth, why can't you imagine him looking like a black human? If you can imagine powerful glowing green ring choosing anybody from the face of the earth to be a hero of the cosmos, why can't you imagine it picking a woman, or an Asian person. If you can imagine a lone vigilante wearing a bat costume defending his city every night, why can't you imagine waiting at home is his husband, or better yet fighting crime along with him. And if we can imagine a man going faster then the speed of light, why can't we imagine that man be native american, or question there gender identity. Why is it that for society we can imagine worlds where dragons, and aliens, demons, and cyborgs, wizards, and warriors, and kings, but we can't imagine those aliens to have a different gender system. Or for that warrior to be gay, or that wizard to be transgender, or the king and queen to be black. Why is that so hard?

Diversity is never just for the sake of diversity. Diversity is to explore the world around us. The individual unique people to find ourselves and each other in it. To give inspiration to the black kid, or the native american kid, to show them they can be heroes to. To show the kids that are questioning there sexuality and gender that they aren't freaks, and they aren't alone. It's okay to be who you are, you can be gay and still be a superhero, a king, a warrior. It can give you one of those kids somebody to look up to. Now I have characters that I love that are white and straight males, I think Spiderman, and Nightcrawler, Captain america, the thing, aquaman, etc I think those are all great characters and i like them all for different reasons. But none of them, and I mean none of them will ever be as close to my heart as Xavin, because she gave me inspiration, and allowed em to embrace my gender identity and helped me accept myself for who I am. True other heroes have taught me valuable lessons, but nothing is more valuable in my mind then helping somebody think that they aren't a freak, and that they aren't alone.

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Edited by V_Scarlotte_Rose

All of this makes sense, and I can't add anything to it. Good post. :)

Posted by ShadowX

@v_scarlotte_rose: Thanks I'm glad you liked it, I put a lot of heart and thought into it.

Posted by V_Scarlotte_Rose

@shadowx: I can tell. The bit about people accepting super powers but not real life differences was a good point, as I have seen people say that it's unrealistic to include a particular number of minorities(or even women) on teams, and that certain kinds of people shouldn't be in comics.

Posted by ShadowX

@v_scarlotte_rose: Yeah that was always weird and ridiculous to me, that people can accept all these things but then not except something that happens in real life. I remember a comedian one time talking about how people couldn't believe that Dumbledore from Harry potter was gay but they could believe he was a wizard and the punchline was " gay people actually exist" or something like that.

Posted by WaveMotionCannon

@shadowx: great post. I've encountered a few people here that railed against diversity in comics (@ greenteaforme I'm looking dead at you) and don't understand why they're being called racist or prejudice.

Edited by wisesonAC

i wish you have wrote this when people were getting in an uproar the michael B. Jordan/johnny storm things. it was severely needed

Posted by ShadowX

@wisesonac: i wanted to but didnt have an access to a computer at the time, and writing all that from my phone would have been a pain. I did make a few comments about it though in other threads.

Posted by JulieDC

I am a huge advocate for diversity given i am a black female but I do think changing established characters into a minority character is wrong at least when it comes to the mainstream universe because it will anger people and in some cases the criticism for doing it is legit and will only serve to hurt the cause in the long run....however, alternate universes are fair game. I wish we could have new minority characters given proper development with their own history and identity.

and I am so thankful someone else notices the problem with "colorblindness".

Posted by ShadowX

@juliedc: i agree established main universes should be kept the same. And I agree 100% with the new established characters too :3

Posted by Decoy Elite

I'm pro diversity in comics, after all not only does it adds a bit of realism it also tends to make things more interesting overall.

The only problem is that characters who are newish don't have much staying power and thus usually the diversity of a given universe doesn't really shine through often because most of the non-white male characters have just kinda vanished.

Posted by ShadowX

@decoy_elite: yeah I agree. Newer characters have a harder time staying relevant if they arent connected to an older character somehow. And enter limbo or something.

Posted by Decoy Elite

@shadowx: Or their universe gets rebooted and they just stop existing.

I'm...I'm still a little annoyed with DC.

Edited by joshmightbe

There are a few instances of diversity just for the sake of diversity like some of those teen tv shows where the main cast has the multicultural group of friends where no two of them are the same race and everyone acts like a stereotype. But diversity itself isn't a bad thing.

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Not sure Johnny Depp argument holds much water as he has claimed to have Cherokee or Creek Indian ancestry, but as far as his performance goes... lets wait on that.( since it has yet to be released- right?) It can't be any more stereotypical than Lou Diamond Phillips performance in Longmire... can it?

p.s. - this was a wonderful blog entry I hope I didn't derail it with my link, (but that Longmire character has been bugging me ever since I first saw that show). You made some amazing points about acceptance... and the ability for us to suspend our disbelief- and how so many will suspend it only so far. Very heartfelt- thank you

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@shadowx said:

I see this argument against me and other people who tend to want or question why there is a lack of diversity in comics. They argue you are just doing it to be diverse and it serves no purpose, etc. But yeah thats the point we want to be diverse, because the world is diverse and we want to reflect it. The main reason we want diversity is because we want a character or a narrative that we can see ourselves in and that we can aspire too. Studies have proven that when young children that are minorities whether it be gender, race or sexuality see characters that look or resemble them in someway it actually boosts confidence and self esteem. So it's important to increase the number of these characters. But you just can't increase them you have to show positive portrayals of them. And we are lacking in that, even one of marvels current prime black characters( Luke Cage) used to be almost nothing more then a horrible caricature, some argue he still is to this day. I don't really see it but not being black maybe it is a lot less noticeable to me. Another example is that Native American characters almost always tend to have some kind of mystic ability, such as warpath randomly gaining mystical powers at some point. It's ridiculous and is once again a caricature.

Diversity is important and we need to stop with this genderblind/colorblind/ additude because it's actually harmful. If you reside to a colorblind additude it allows you to ignore the systematic oppression's that minorities still face in this society. It allows you to say that we are all the "same" so it's okay. But there is still along way to go for the fight for equality, women are still paid less then men on average, black people are paid even less, we have islamophobia and homophobia and so many more inequalities that we need to face. Being colorblind is effectively ignoring those problems by saying that we are " equal" when in society we really aren't.

It's like this. Imagine society to be a circular racing track. The father you are from the center the less distance you have to run, lets say that those are the white, cisgender, straight, able bodied men, statistically and systematically it is easier for them to get through life, easier for them to get a job, easier to get better pay, easier for them to have role models that look and act like and have similar experiences to them, less likely for them to get arrested, etc. ( note: I'm saying statistically and or on average. Obviously we all have our own struggle in life and I'm not judging them or dismissing there problems). As you move on, on the race track the more distance we you have to travel and the more hardships on average these people have to deal with, so you start seeing PoC, women, members of the lgbt spectrum, etc, and a mix of them as you get farther and farther from the center. A colorblind/genderblind/ etc approach would have them all start at the same section, because to those people we are all the same and they don't see that the distance is farther for some of these people. By not thinking in a colorblind way you can see the struggle the distance and realize that to make it more equal you start people in the race slightly in front of people who have less distance, so that the race can attempt to be more equal.

This is the same reason why a lot of people( me being one of them)see it okay to change a white character into a poc in an alternate universe or have them played by a actor of color. Or changing a male character into a female character in an alt universe/movie, or why it's okay to have a straight character(or a believed to be straight character) to come out as somewhere on the lgbtq spectrum. It's because there are already so many white, male, straight characters, and fewer of these types, an yes would I liek a whole new original character? Yes I would, however I don't mind seeing these changes either, especially for the LGBTQ spectrum one because often times in society a person may not even realize or want to accept there sexuality until they are much older so its realistically possible for that to happen,

And the reason it's not okay to change a minority character or have them played by a white actor etc. Is because we have so few of them, especially ones that are positive portrayals Plus there is a history of redface/blackface/yellowface in are media that is racist and denied parts to actors of color to have them be played by a white actor instead. In fact it's still happening to this day with Tonto being played by Johhny Depp in the lone ranger, in a horrible caricature pan native racist way, even if it wasn't his intention thats what it is.

Anyway this whole blog post started because I saw the article on the new Justice League 3000, and saw that a future team is still not all that diverse from what I can tell, from what we know now it's still an all white( unless that green lantern turns out to be john Stewart or a descendant or something) mostly male team, that is mostly likely going to be straight and cisgender. And When you think about that it's kind of sad. I mean I would like to think that in a thousand years, all the fighting that we've done would have paid, off, that diversity would be embraced and loved. And that PoC and women, and lgbt people can be superheros. That maybe the struggles that I'm dealing with could be lifted, and that somebody like me in the future could be a superhero, even if it is only fiction.

Whats the point of sci fi, and fantasy if we cant even be diverse about it. If you can imagine an orphan alien that looks human landing on earth, why can't you imagine him looking like a black human? If you can imagine powerful glowing green ring choosing anybody from the face of the earth to be a hero of the cosmos, why can't you imagine it picking a woman, or an Asian person. If you can imagine a lone vigilante wearing a bat costume defending his city every night, why can't you imagine waiting at home is his husband, or better yet fighting crime along with him. And if we can imagine a man going faster then the speed of light, why can't we imagine that man be native american, or question there gender identity. Why is it that for society we can imagine worlds where dragons, and aliens, demons, and cyborgs, wizards, and warriors, and kings, but we can't imagine those aliens to have a different gender system. Or for that warrior to be gay, or that wizard to be transgender, or the king and queen to be black. Why is that so hard?

Diversity is never just for the sake of diversity. Diversity is to explore the world around us. The individual unique people to find ourselves and each other in it. To give inspiration to the black kid, or the native american kid, to show them they can be heroes to. To show the kids that are questioning there sexuality and gender that they aren't freaks, and they aren't alone. It's okay to be who you are, you can be gay and still be a superhero, a king, a warrior. It can give you one of those kids somebody to look up to. Now I have characters that I love that are white and straight males, I think Spiderman, and Nightcrawler, Captain america, the thing, aquaman, etc I think those are all great characters and i like them all for different reasons. But none of them, and I mean none of them will ever be as close to my heart as Xavin, because she gave me inspiration, and allowed em to embrace my gender identity and helped me accept myself for who I am. True other heroes have taught me valuable lessons, but nothing is more valuable in my mind then helping somebody think that they aren't a freak, and that they aren't alone.

Great post!

Btw,you don't have to be black to recognize a stereotype.I mean,I'm black and I don't see Luke Cage as some stereotype (like he used to be).But still,great post.

However,you don't really think that,generally white men have it easier than other gender/racial/sexual orientation minorities,do you?

I mean,don't get me wrong,I know that in the past they definitely had a large advantage and even in some cases today,but you do know that it's also the other way around in many cases and that they have it just as rough as others.

But as someone on the vine said once (forgot who it was,but they have/had a new 52 flash AV) that changing a characters race for diversity doesn't really fix the problem,instead it's like putting a bandage on a bullet wound.

It is better to create new characters and build on them (although it's harder for them to take ground).

As for the warrior and kings thing,I see your point.We don't really see that diversity often.I mean,not that I really care what race/gender/etc the character is,but the diversity would help to relate to some people and reflect better on society.For example,I actually want to see more Christian characters in comics.I don't really care what religion a character is,and their religion doesn't change my perspective of them,but I would actually relate more to see more christian characters.Also,it would be nice to actually see a lot more characters that are Native American that aren't stereotypes.

Also,when you say "colorblind",do you mean what they do in the book "The Giver"? If so,I agree.

However,I hope you do know that all groups face oppression.When I was younger (and ignorant and bias and foolish),I used to believe that mainly minorities face oppression and that white people generally didn't and that they all had easier lives than I because of my race,but I actually found out quite the opposite.Their race doesn't mean that they don't face persecution just as minorities do. I learned that persecution doesn't belong to one group alone,and although you may already know that,I just wanna put that out there.

I can see your point in this post. We need to see more diversity in comics.I mean there are (some) cases where it's like people can't seem to accept minorities as people. I mean,we're just like everyone else and just like to be treated as such. That means I don't want to always have to watch a movie that constantly has the loudmouth sassy black person in it. And not JUST minorities,there are people that aren't minorities that are persecuted and where people treat them differently based on ignorant generalizations.

I mean,for example with Domestic Violence..based on media,people often think that mainly/only black women face it,but white women (and women of every race) face it as well.Heck,Men even face it,too. And people seem to only feed stereotypes and pay little to no attention to everyone.Rather,they seem to hold minorities with more importance.

However,in many cases,I don't really think the creator creates the character with these things (sexual orientation,race,religion,etc) in mind,in other cases,they do....

Posted by SideburnGuru

Have to disagree with that double standard however, such as not being able to make a black character, a white character in an alt universe, but it being totally acceptable vice versa. Feel as though if we're getting rid of the standard, it should go both ways. That may just be me.

Also have to disagree with making long time characters turn.. homosexual or another color if they've been established as something else long before that time.

Only parts I disagree with, personally.

Posted by ShadowX

@cameron83: you see men can be victims of abuse. And you can see white people be the victims of prejudice( im mixed and my white mom was discriminated against in her mostly black community) so i do underatand where your coming from. What i'm talking about is a systematic opreassion built into our society against minorities that still exist to this day.

Things like slut shaming, violence against woman ( like rape. Yes men can get raped too, but the majority of it is females.), the fact that some people think women are asking for it if they dress a certain way. The fact that guys think its okay to catcall women, etc for woman.

For poc once again you have the wage gap. You have the fact that statiscally its more likely for a white man to have drugs, but black people are the ones that are more likely to be stopped and frisked. That when the colorado shooting happen the man was called a troubled young man, but when the boston bombings happened they were called terroist( both were terroist but only was called it because they were muslim), and more. So you see i underatand white people and guys can still have problems. But white people sti have certain privelages in our society, society still favors them. And society still favors men too or masculinity. Men who are harmed through abuse and or rape are not belived or joked about because in our society its seen as a lack of masculinity, and its societies own favortism of masculinity that harms men. Feminist( true feminist) understand this and are trying to break down this way of thinking so that victims both men and woman can be helped, treated, and received justice. I think i'm starting to go on a tangent now but my point is, yes people who are not minorities have problems and i recognize that but they dont suffer from the systematic oppresion that minorities do.

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Diversity is important in stories. Different people are different, thats something that should be recognized. Just don't treat them that much differently or place them apart because of said differences.

Different people that are from different countries, believe different things, grew up in a different way, etc. have had unique experiences that add to the story. Characters shouldn't all be the same because that is boring and that that is the worst thing that can happen to a story, especially a superhero story. Conflict of personality, beliefs, cultures make a story more interesting. How do those conflicting aspects battle or reconcile or co-exist?

As for whitewashing minority characters, it is a practice that really bothers and offends me. For as much as Hollywood likes to preach tolerance and diversity, it is a very discriminitory business. For every black, asian, middle-eastern or darker skinned latino there are 20+ white actors. There is a lot of people that have a problem with minorities playing previously white characters, well that's something that has been happening to minority characters since film began. Ask yourself this, "How many leading men in Hollywood movies are Middle-eastern or Asian?" You can't think of a Middle-Eastern person and the only asian you can think of are probably Jackie Chan and Jet Li. Chan and Li both were already huge international stars when Hollywood came knocking and the only films they are cast in are for bad stereotypical kung fu movies while in China, both me are doing strong dramatic roles. So when a movie like Dragonball: Evolution or The Forbidden Kingdom comes out (two movies that are either from asian culture or about it) and the leads are a couple of white kids and not some asian kid that could use the part much more, it frankly pisses me off.

As for minority women, well, they are just a piece of arm candy that the white hero can get. While the white dude is becoming the hero of the foreign land, he invaritably hooks up with the exotic beauty. Now, when does that ever happen the other way around, except when it is a romance movie specifically built around that premise? How often in an action sci-fi movie will the white female lead (played by Angelina Jolie or something) hook up with an Asian dude or an Middle-Eastern dude or a Indian dude? The answer is practically never.

Now the past two paragraphs were a rant against the Hollywood movie industry. I actually think that Comic books are one of the most diverse form of mass media. I have to applaud comic publishers for being willing to have series that have minorities and gay/lesbian as the lead and that not being the sole premise of the book (i.e. Batwoman is a superhero comic about woman fighting crime who happens to be a lesbian as opposed to Batwoman is a superhero comic about a lesbian) It can get better, but at least comic publishers recognize a disparity and are working to fix it. (with the aformentioned Batwoman and a Green Lantern who is Middle-Eastern)

Posted by fodigg

Good breakdown. I think if I had to put the same sentiment succinctly, I'd say that promoting diversity and writing quality characters/stories are not mutually exclusive. You don't lose anything from the latter by making the former a priority.

Posted by Extremis

@shadowx: thank you for this post! I'm glad to know others out there share this same opinion. I'm tired of people complaining about diversity like its something icky to avoid. Diversity is great, for all the reasons you mentioned. Good work Shadowx

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I am absolutely for diversity in comics and in media in general, but I find a lot of the forced diversity a bit offensive because too often it's used to add a sort of shock value for talking points, or as a stilted marketing ploy. For example, when we found out that Batgirl's roommate, Alysia Yeoh, is transgender, the entire setup was silly and clearly designed to cause media buzz.

It seems like the character exists ONLY to be different and to add a "freak show" element to the story. Why does it have to be a shock? I get that people are very often hesitant to come out, but I think that the way it was done here, the way the panels are set up, it looks like a soap opera. The story was all over mainstream news sites as a big move for DC and it created a lot of hype. I don't like it when publishers take a group and use them to generate sales. I'd much prefer a character who is written to thoughtfully represent the group being portrayed and that speaks directly to them, rather than making a scene of them. The characters that speak most effectively to people are ones that they can see themselves in. I really like the way Scarlet Spider's buds in Houston, Dr. Meland and Officer Layton, are portrayed as a gay married couple. The fact that they are gay (and married) is not pushed as a way to generate sales, but as people really are. Dr. Meland and Officer Layton are involved in a strong, supportive (non-stereotypical) relationship and it's really refreshing. The reader finds out that the men are a couple almost in passing and it's no big deal, like it ought to be. Their relationship is not marginalized as much as it is cleanly woven into the narrative of the story. I really want to see more minority characters presented in a non-stereotypical, non-forced way that focuses on their story, not just on their differences.

With that said, I'd really like to see Justice League 3000 be a lot more realistically diverse. We need teams that better speak to the reality of society today. We need less of the teams like the classic Avengers (which I do love, but they're pretty dated) and Justice League (The black DC characters are pretty weak in my opinion. They need work). Also, as an aside, I agree that we need to stay away from caricatures like the huge bruiser, street-smart black guy and the mousy, computer expert (or ninja) Asian. It's silly and offensive.

Contrary to popular belief, not all Asians know Kung Fu
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@rdclip: great response i 100% whole heartdly agree with your sentiments.

@thegwailo: great response to m blog must appreciated. For Alysia yeoh, from my interactions with Gail Smimone n tumblr she has been planning Alysia for awhile and i think she was meant to "come out" sooner but something happeneing. I think it was more editorial or highups that turned it into a big deal.

And thank you everybody else your thoughts are much appreciated ^.^

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@shadowx said:
Diversity is never just for the sake of diversity. Diversity is to explore the world around us. The individual unique people to find ourselves and each other in it. To give inspiration to the black kid, or the native american kid, to show them they can be heroes to. To show the kids that are questioning there sexuality and gender that they aren't freaks, and they aren't alone. It's okay to be who you are, you can be gay and still be a superhero, a king, a warrior. It can give you one of those kids somebody to look up to. Now I have characters that I love that are white and straight males, I think Spiderman, and Nightcrawler, Captain america, the thing, aquaman, etc I think those are all great characters and i like them all for different reasons. But none of them, and I mean none of them will ever be as close to my heart as Xavin, because she gave me inspiration, and allowed em to embrace my gender identity and helped me accept myself for who I am. True other heroes have taught me valuable lessons, but nothing is more valuable in my mind then helping somebody think that they aren't a freak, and that they aren't alone.

If that is why diversity in comics is done, then I am all for it. I just hate pandering to people to get more books. I personally see a bad example in the Kevin Keller series, but have seen better examples, like with Earth 2 Alan Scott or the new Ultimate Spiderman. When you make a character, not a product, then you get the proper attention and admiration.

Posted by Perezite

So long as the diversity doesn't involve queers and atheists, I'm all for it.

Posted by ShadowX

@perezite: whats so wrong about queer people( aka me) and athiests? If you dont mind me asking?

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@extremis said:

@shadowx: thank you for this post! I'm glad to know others out there share this same opinion. I'm tired of people complaining about diversity like its something icky to avoid. Diversity is great, for all the reasons you mentioned. Good work Shadowx

This. GOOD WORK! =D

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@perezite: Guess that whole Judge no t least ye be Judged part of the bible went unnoticed again. I won't try to debate you I just think your kind of a disgusting human being. And before you call me a hypocrite for judging you I will say I'm not a Christian so the bible doesn't hold much weight for me, and No I'm not an atheist either.

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...What the...F*ck?

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Posted by GodTriggerHulk

I guess I'm okay with diversity as long as it doesn't infect existing awesome things.

Mexican Spider-Man? no way Jose!

Gay Green Lantern? Toss that fruit in the blender!

Cool new characters with diverse backgrounds? Dat's money.

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@godtriggerhulk: Now I can't think of anything other than a Mexican Spider-Man.

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@perezite: Guess that whole Judge no t least ye be Judged part of the bible went unnoticed again. I won't try to debate you I just think your kind of a disgusting human being. And before you call me a hypocrite for judging you I will say I'm not a Christian so the bible doesn't hold much weight for me, and No I'm not an atheist either.

quoted for truth

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@sandman_: Just wondering what is your comment a response to

Posted by SandMan_

@shadowx: Don't worry, It was a response to what that perez guy wrote. Wow, seriously? I can't believe there are people who are still like that in 2013.

Posted by GodTriggerHulk

@joshmightbe: It sounds like a sex position.

"Last night was crazy! I wake up and this girl is giving me a Mexican Spider-Man!"

Posted by ShadowX

@sandman_: okay. Thats what i thought. And yeah sadly there are.

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@sandman_ said:

@shadowx: Don't worry, It was a response to what that perez guy wrote. Wow, seriously? I can't believe there are people who are still like that in 2013.

can you really call someone like that "people"?

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@avenging_x_bolt: As much as I hate his words. And they offended and hurt me. I cant dehumanize him like that. *shrugs*

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@shadowx said:

@avenging_x_bolt: As much as I hate his words. And they offended and hurt me. I cant dehumanize him like that. *shrugs*

you're a better person than I am.

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@avenging_x_bolt: *shrugs* i wouldnt say that either. No person is better then the next. But thanks for the sentiment i guess.

Posted by cameron83

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@cameron83: you see men can be victims of abuse. And you can see white people be the victims of prejudice( im mixed and my white mom was discriminated against in her mostly black community) so i do underatand where your coming from. What i'm talking about is a systematic opreassion built into our society against minorities that still exist to this day.

Things like slut shaming, violence against woman ( like rape. Yes men can get raped too, but the majority of it is females.), the fact that some people think women are asking for it if they dress a certain way. The fact that guys think its okay to catcall women, etc for woman.

For poc once again you have the wage gap. You have the fact that statiscally its more likely for a white man to have drugs, but black people are the ones that are more likely to be stopped and frisked. That when the colorado shooting happen the man was called a troubled young man, but when the boston bombings happened they were called terroist( both were terroist but only was called it because they were muslim), and more. So you see i underatand white people and guys can still have problems. But white people sti have certain privelages in our society, society still favors them. And society still favors men too or masculinity. Men who are harmed through abuse and or rape are not belived or joked about because in our society its seen as a lack of masculinity, and its societies own favortism of masculinity that harms men. Feminist( true feminist) understand this and are trying to break down this way of thinking so that victims both men and woman can be helped, treated, and received justice. I think i'm starting to go on a tangent now but my point is, yes people who are not minorities have problems and i recognize that but they dont suffer from the systematic oppresion that minorities do.

you see men can be victims of abuse. And you can see white people be the victims of prejudice( im mixed and my white mom was discriminated against in her mostly black community) so i do underatand where your coming from. What i'm talking about is a systematic opreassion built into our society against minorities that still exist to this day.

Well that is true (and unfortunate).

Things like slut shaming, violence against woman ( like rape. Yes men can get raped too, but the majority of it is females.), the fact that some people think women are asking for it if they dress a certain way. The fact that guys think its okay to catcall women, etc for woman.

I agree.In fact,because of the image society gives,that is sometimes why men victims of rape often don't report it because people may even make fun of him.And it's bad enough that he's already been mentally (and maybe even physically) harmed....

EDIT: Dammit you already said that...

For poc once again you have the wage gap. You have the fact that statiscally its more likely for a white man to have drugs, but black people are the ones that are more likely to be stopped and frisked. That when the colorado shooting happen the man was called a troubled young man, but when the boston bombings happened they were called terroist( both were terroist but only was called it because they were muslim), and more

I agree.Not only poc,but also women sometimes get paid less than a man with the same circumstances.

So you see i underatand white people and guys can still have problems. But white people sti have certain privelages in our society, society still favors them. And society still favors men too or masculinity. Men who are harmed through abuse and or rape are not belived or joked about because in our society its seen as a lack of masculinity, and its societies own favortism of masculinity that harms men. Feminist( true feminist) understand this and are trying to break down this way of thinking so that victims both men and woman can be helped, treated, and received justice.

But in some cases there are cases when a white guy would be at the disadvantage for the same reason that a poc would be. I just wanted to point out that it happens to them as well.But of course,I know in some cases they may have advantages.I just wanted to point out that sometimes they are at a disadvantage and in some cases minorities have an advantage.

And I agree with the feminist and male rape victim thing.

I think i'm starting to go on a tangent now but my point is, yes people who are not minorities have problems and i recognize that but they dont suffer from the systematic oppresion that minorities do.

Well I just wanted to point out that it happens to everyone and even they will get racially profiled in some cases.I mean, there are many cases where white people and even men face oppression.I just wanted to point out that it happens to them too.Some people even take it as a joke when it happens because they believe that white people face very little oppression and that they are all financially stable or even rich.So they just ignore it and even joke about it....So I think that people everywhere,all groups and backgrounds,face oppression,the same bigotry for the same overlapping reasons (other times different,minor reasons),but some people often overlook it (for various reasons,but many times generally the same reason for each group).I think that they face racial profiling and such,but people often tend to overlook it.So I think they face the same (since I've seen cases where it's happened),but at the same time,yes minorities still face oppression in A LOT of cases today.It's really just sad....

But I just wanted to make sure that you knew that every group faces oppression (I think even the same types.Well,not exactly the same type for every group.You know what I mean....)

btw,I just wanted to say again,this is a really great blog.

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Its so nice to be white. We all poop gold and plant money trees. I love these privileges I receive.

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@shadowx: Diversity can be for the sake of diversity if the narrative is secondary to the shock factor.

@avenging_x_bolt: When you insult people like him you actually make them feel validated. Take groups like westboro for example, for all the evil and hatred they spew out, they are peacefully demonstrating. And their "open minded" counterparts are the ones threatening violence against them. That's what happens when we look at bigotry with "common sense" instead of intelligence.

Posted by ShadowX

@crouchingtiger: haha very funny poop joke ha.

When I talk about privelages i mean actual things that are built in society that favor white people, that really do exis. However i doubt somebody that made a poop joke about everything I just said would bother to care or read about a list of them if i made them. So im not going to waste my time like that.

Ps: although white people have those privlages, that does not mean I think life is a cakewalk for white people or that they have no problems what so ever. Im mixed and can pass for white and my family has had a tough life. But that doesnt change my opinion or the statistics that show, this society still favors white people.