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While I doubt it exists in the new 52, I'd like to see the friendship between Aquaman and Martian Manhunter explored.

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She thinks she killed her brother, James Gordon Jr. Since she thinks she killed him, she doesn't think she is worthy of the Bat symbol right now. And, of course, she doesn't know that he is alive and working with Amanda Waller.

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1. Just because it didn't give off red light doesn't mean it wasn't a red sun. It probably would have looked very strange to be shot in heavy red light. I don't recall there being anything to claim it wasn't a red sun.

2. They had multiple references to the atmospheric differences between Krypton and Earth. Jor-El tells Clark that Earth's air is richer and his mom said that she worried about him when he was a baby because he had trouble breathing. It took his body a while to adjust to the Earth's air. Then in Zod's ship, he was introduced to less rich air. Imagine it being like getting to a high elevation and realizing there was suddenly less oxygen. You can get used to it in time, but if it's new to you, it can leave you winded and uncomfortable. It's just a more extreme version of that.

3. I'm not really sure. Perhaps she was not quite as strong, but she is better trained. She could also be innately stronger since she was bred as a warrior, as opposed to the naturally born Clark. It's also possible that the suit itself could absorb the yellow sunlight. But I'd really bank on her just being a better fighter.

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1. If it doesn't give off red light, how is it a red sun? I agree it would have looked strange to be shot in red light....but it also would have looked very alien, which I think would have been cool. I'm not complaining that it wasn't red, I just think it's odd if it wasn't and don't understand how it still could be. Jor El made references to our sun being younger, so it seemed to be a young/old thing with he suns, not a red/yellow thing.

2. Well yeah, I got that, but should it have affected him as much as it did? It shouldn't have suddenly made him as weak as a human and strapped down to the table unable to get up. I guess we know how to defeat Superman in these movies, just surround him with kryptonian atmosphere....

3. What I mean is, she shouldn't have been able to keep up with him at all without powers from the yellow sun. It was implied that their suits filtered out the yellow sun radiation.

1. I am by no means an astronomer, but look at our sun. It is yellow, but based on its position in the sky, the light can appear more pink, red, orange, or white. So based on the sun's position, certain substances in the atmosphere, and I'm sure other factors, the appearance of the light could result in many colors. Red stars can also still appear generally yellow or orange; they don't need to be brightly red. There is a little chart here that shows the difference with classifications and how the light appears: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_classification I have no idea how age factors in.

2. I think that the vagueness of the differences left the whole issue open. It's very possible that compared to Earth's air, the Kryptonian air had impurities that Clark couldn't handle. If there was a combo of less oxygen and impurities in the air (like a smog or pollution, or an element we are not used to breathing like sulfur or high amounts of argon), it could take him down and make him pass out. I don't think it was anywhere close to making him as weak as a human, just weaker than other kryptonians.

3. She is still stronger on earth, and they were exposed to a yellow sun while on their ship and in orbit around Earth. She is still incredibly strong by human standards. Even if her strength and speed is only 70% of Clark's, his inexperience, and her breeding/experience could still give her a huge advantage. Also factor in that he was likely distracted by bystanders, and it was two on one, she had a lot of chances to level the playing field.

I have no idea about the military not finding out he was Clark Kent. It didn't take Lois very long before everything, and as you said, the thing landed right on the Kent farm. It seems like it would have been kind of obvious in the end.

That's all I got.

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1. Just because it didn't give off red light doesn't mean it wasn't a red sun. It probably would have looked very strange to be shot in heavy red light. I don't recall there being anything to claim it wasn't a red sun.

2. They had multiple references to the atmospheric differences between Krypton and Earth. Jor-El tells Clark that Earth's air is richer and his mom said that she worried about him when he was a baby because he had trouble breathing. It took his body a while to adjust to the Earth's air. Then in Zod's ship, he was introduced to less rich air. Imagine it being like getting to a high elevation and realizing there was suddenly less oxygen. You can get used to it in time, but if it's new to you, it can leave you winded and uncomfortable. It's just a more extreme version of that.

3. I'm not really sure. Perhaps she was not quite as strong, but she is better trained. She could also be innately stronger since she was bred as a warrior, as opposed to the naturally born Clark. It's also possible that the suit itself could absorb the yellow sunlight. But I'd really bank on her just being a better fighter.

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Benching only 275? For a guy his size, I'd call that an accomplishment. Weight charts I've seen only have him coming in at around 165lbs. I don't think he's excessively strong, but he's by no means weak. As a random estimate, if that weight is around the right place, I'd only expect him to be able to bench about 200-215.

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Within the DC universe, I'd say no one really can. He's supposed to be the supreme water hero (hence why he's like the only one). I'm sure Namor would have a shot in the right conditions.

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#7  Edited By serpent222

@teerack said:

Powergirl

Ms Marvel

Catwoman.

I think I'd agree with these. If I had to pick one that I felt had the biggest of them all, my gut says Catwoman.

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Well that's... Odd. Very out of character for Bruce. Perhaps, as has been mentioned, the Mad Hatter has something to do with this? Seems like the kind of paranoia-fueled trip Bruce would go on... All this happens, then at the end everyone he told and/or cared about dies horribly. Possibly in an alley, possibly at gunpoint, definitely tragically.

If it's not an acid trip, that's dumb. What he just pulled is the kind of thing some newcomer hero not yet out of his 'teens would do for his girlfriend because he "absolutely loves her and can't stand to keep a secret from her" before she disappears from the title forever in two weeks.

I didn't even think about that. With Mad Hatter involved, it's definitely possible. Otherwise, I just assume she's going to die. Stupid either way. I already dropped this book, and doubt I'll go back. Like others have mentioned, it seems to be its own little world without connecting to the others. At the start I assumed that it was chronicling his early time as Batman, but I'm not sure that's the case, and without that to mitigate things, I can't tolerate it anymore.

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#9  Edited By serpent222

Barbara Gordon, Black Canary, and Zatanna.

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I've never actually thought about it before. It seems that most of DC's heavy hitters aren't technically metahumans, or their powers are too complicated to peg. Hell, looking at the justice league's main roster:

  • Superman - Alien
  • Martian Manhunter - Alien
  • Batman - Human
  • Flash - Human with access to the speed force
  • Wonder Woman - Goddess/powered by magic; whichever really applies
  • Lanterns - Power Ring

I feel like Aquaman might be up there? I would class him, and Atlanteans in general as meta-humans. The human-like Atlanteans I think are more a sub-species of metahumans. I'm pretty sure they can interbreed with Humans, so they are still human, and get their powers from their genes. Most of the powerful ones are from sorcery, but Aquaman is even special among his people, and it's his own enhanced abilities plus the telepathy. But if you don't count him because he comes from a race of powerful ones...then I don't really know. Most of them really do seem more in the wake of magic or "fell into" their powers.