@JohnnyWalker: But i was debating villains not heroes. My problem is more with how he is compared with marvel's bad guys and he comes out on top of Apocalypse, Dr. Doom, and other villains that are just as big to there respective comic heroes (i.e X-men, FF) and yet they are below Lex Luthor on the list. I mean granted I recognize his importance in the DC universe but I never understand what makes him better then Ra's al Ghul, Sinestro, Loki, Red Skull etc. They all have major ties to their heroes as well but Lex always gets ranked so higher. Why?
Seriously why is he always up there? He has no powers just lots of money, and he gets placed higher then characters like Dr. Doom, Venom, and Black Adam (to name a few) and yet he comes out on top. I think it's because of his status to SUperman and nothing more.
How is the joker ahead of characters that clearly serpass him? Doom, Maggy, and at least Galactas or maybe Paralla, but it's ultimately just a clash of opinions so it really doesn't matter that much, just, the Joker?!?...whatever