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@xlegacyx: Darkseid hit Glactus and it didn't phase him, not that Thanos is on big G's level, but the Omega beams isn't equal death. Plenty have been hit and survived it.

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Spiderman doesn't need to catch bullets, he constantly avoids them with ease with his speed and agility and that's hoards of bullets from groups of people, people are putting 1 feat of all the feats of Iron Fist that he was punched through the hellacarrier as his major durability feat, laughable. Another laughable one is questioning Fist and Spideys Confrontation when Fist was all out and Spidey was just trying help him, constantly and despite Fist betraying him and still trying to get the fight over with, Spidey kept coming back, if the fight was "really" on to the KO, Pete knocks him out quickly. And DD has enough ability to hold off Logan until Spidey takes out Fist and then it's 2 on 1 and a rather easy fight from there. logans durability is what would keep Spidey from taking him down quickly, but even without webs he takes down a highly overrated character in Wolverine who has feats constantly as high as fighting the Hulk and losing to Creed.Logan is the meaning of PIS with his "berserker" animal/trained samurai dual side. Logan is the weakest link here as he is a brawler as you even noted and hardly ever uses skill and wouldn't take down DD soon enough and that is what makes this an easy fight for team 1 because despite what you say, Fist can be taken down rather easily Spidey.

Listen Schm "whateveritisyourusernameissupposedtobe".

Go read a few comics would be my advice.

Needless to say, 99% of what you're regurgitating is absolute rubbish, unsubstantiated, jaded opinion based bunk.

I truly, absolutely believe you are attempting to troll me. So I say all this with tongue firmly in cheek. Either that, or my second guess is you're pretty young so I'll be nice and try to be respectful by simply not responding more than I already have.

Lol.

I attempt to troll you? I'm sorry you replied to me, if it was just current versions then yeah I'd agree with you, but tell me where it's posted just current versions, I go based off of "most consistent feats" which Fists most consistent feats aren't taking on a punch of hits from Spiderman nor Logan being as quick as Spiderman, just 1 comic saying he is just writers PIS for Logan. If this was a current thread then I'd be inclined to go team 2 in slight majority, but it doesn't specify that, so in the grand scheme of things most consistent feats team 1 wins relatively easily with Parker even without the webs as the MVP and Logan being the weak link here are a brawler.

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Parker/Spiderman is about a 20 tonner, he could pluck Fist and KO him, he is still human after all, a Logan would take time to go down, but either way DD has held his own against Logan and could against Fist, Spiderman owned Fist time after time even when he didn't even want to fight him and Fist was trying his hardest to take him down, Spiderman is far to fast for either Logan or Fist add in DD this is heavily favored for team 1, Spidey might be my favorite character, but a lot of times he is watered down because of his high morals character more then normal, a strength of 10-20 tons is a lot and could KO fist easily and even though it didn't KO Logan in 1 comic when they fought Logan has been knocked out by less (of course he has take more in the same token) so Logans feats in the ability to with stand getting knocked out is very inconsistent due to his healing factor. Morals on team 1 wins easy, Spider "could" solo, doesn't mean he does, means that team 2 has a major problem of taking him down if they can, which add in DD they have 0 shot.

Wow. That blurb. What to do, what to do. Understand that I am being nice below as there are a ton of showings you clearly are not aware of.

Parker/Spiderman is about a 20 tonner, he could pluck Fist and KO him

No he couldn't. Go educate yourself in Iron Fist's abilities, maybe read a modern book or three with him in it, then come back and try again ok?

DD has held his own against Logan

Due to avoidance, DD could "survive" Logan. Not the same thing. Wolverine has effortlessly thrown DD into a full nelson till he cooled off. DD against Wolverine, outside of plot interference and / writer induced stupidity (i.e. Garth Ennis), only has one conclusion. And that is not a "close" fight. That is DD lying face down.

Spiderman owned Fist time after time even when he didn't even want to fight him and Fist was trying his hardest to take him down

That's not at all true. The contest was actually quite close. You stating Parker "owned" highlights HUGE fan bias. Bummer about that is, Rand's powers have evolved tremendously since. Rand vs. Parker is a good fight considering Parker has all his tools. One that could turn to either's advantage. Take away Parker's webbing? Heck, even back when they tussled, a lot of what Parker pulled off he wouldn't be able to do herein.

Spiderman is far to fast for either Logan or Fist

Only that he isn't. Parker has stated in shock, on panel, that Wolverine could have possibly been "faster" (combat reflex speed). He amended by stating "no one" is faster, but his shock and apprehension clearly demonstrate Wolverine is in the ballpark. More than enough to contend with Parker's speed. As to his combat reflex speed being faster than Rand's (which is amped by chi so no, he's not just a "normal human"), show me Parker actually catching a bullet, then we'll reopen the discussion k?

add in DD this is heavily favored for team 1,

No. Actually, the fact either Rand or Logan are too much for DD, the fact most (even die hard fans of Parker) see Logan as a very, very dangerous fight for Parker without his webbing to subdue, most give Logan the clear advantage in a brawl, Rand vs Parker in a brawl can also go either way (especially sans webs) ... all this really does mean team 2 have a clear advantage.

Spidey might be my favorite character, but a lot of times he is watered down because of his high morals character more then normal, a strength of 10-20 tons is a lot and could KO fist easily

Rand's durability has been amped recently. Doubt it's going to be a one hit KO. Regardless, you forget how vastly more skilled both Rand and Logan are compared to Parker (which helps negate the spider-sense advantage). You also neglect the fact Rand can likewise KO Parker with one blow. He also has ranged abilities with his chi. \

and even though it didn't KO Logan in 1 comic when they fought Logan has been knocked out by less (of course he has take more in the same token) so Logans feats in the ability to with stand getting knocked out is very inconsistent due to his healing factor.

There are plenty of reasons KOing Logan is the exception and not the rule with regards Parker vs. Logan. Adamantium absorbs and redistributes impact shock. So, aside from being indestructible, and coupled with his healing factor, it makes soaking blunt force trauma Logan's bread and butter really. While I can't help but agree Logan's damage soak is highly inconsistent, not too much with regards his encounters with Parker. Spider-Man has failed to "KO" Logan, going ALL OUT, on THREE separate occasions actually. One of them, he couldn't even wipe the smile off Logan's face. Sorry but, without his webs, Parker is not winning this one. Like Rand, Logan only has to tag him once.

Wolverine's is also low level superhuman in all his stats. Just a bad fight in a brawl for Parker from the ground up really. Style wise, skill wise, abilities ... just bad news for Parker (without his webs).

which add in DD they have 0 shot.

This part made me chuckle. And another one comes out of the woodwork! Woot!!

Team 2 win this handily.

Spiderman doesn't need to catch bullets, he constantly avoids them with ease with his speed and agility and that's hoards of bullets from groups of people, people are putting 1 feat of all the feats of Iron Fist that he was punched through the hellacarrier as his major durability feat, laughable. Another laughable one is questioning Fist and Spideys Confrontation when Fist was all out and Spidey was just trying help him, constantly and despite Fist betraying him and still trying to get the fight over with, Spidey kept coming back, if the fight was "really" on to the KO, Pete knocks him out quickly. And DD has enough ability to hold off Logan until Spidey takes out Fist and then it's 2 on 1 and a rather easy fight from there. logans durability is what would keep Spidey from taking him down quickly, but even without webs he takes down a highly overrated character in Wolverine who has feats constantly as high as fighting the Hulk and losing to Creed.Logan is the meaning of PIS with his "berserker" animal/trained samurai dual side. Logan is the weakest link here as he is a brawler as you even noted and hardly ever uses skill and wouldn't take down DD soon enough and that is what makes this an easy fight for team 1 because despite what you say, Fist can be taken down rather easily Spidey.

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Team 1, Peter could possibly solo and with all the distractions his and DD's senses will only help them and if anything hinder Logan or Fist, DD can keep up with Fist with morals on and Peter can beat Logan with Morals on and it would be 2 VS 1 DD and Spidey VS Iron Fist, epic mismatch then...

There is nothing to substantiate Parker beating Logan without his webs in a brawl. Let alone "soloing" both Rand and Logan without his webs.

Man, you latest generation of Parker fans on the Vine are quickly growing into the worst of the worst bunch to attempt debating with.

Parker/Spiderman is about a 20 tonner, he could pluck Fist and KO him, he is still human after all, a Logan would take time to go down, but either way DD has held his own against Logan and could against Fist, Spiderman owned Fist time after time even when he didn't even want to fight him and Fist was trying his hardest to take him down, Spiderman is far to fast for either Logan or Fist add in DD this is heavily favored for team 1, Spidey might be my favorite character, but a lot of times he is watered down because of his high morals character more then normal, a strength of 10-20 tons is a lot and could KO fist easily and even though it didn't KO Logan in 1 comic when they fought Logan has been knocked out by less (of course he has take more in the same token) so Logans feats in the ability to with stand getting knocked out is very inconsistent due to his healing factor. Morals on team 1 wins easy, Spider "could" solo, doesn't mean he does, means that team 2 has a major problem of taking him down if they can, which add in DD they have 0 shot.

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Team 1, Peter could possibly solo and with all the distractions his and DD's senses will only help them and if anything hinder Logan or Fist, DD can keep up with Fist with morals on and Peter can beat Logan with Morals on and it would be 2 VS 1 DD and Spidey VS Iron Fist, epic mismatch then...

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I want to say Batman, never was a GG fan, but if we are talking Norman, it's Norman for the majority, superior physical ability, and "previous" knowledge isn't prep,and Norman isn't an idiot either.... combined with his superior physical abilities GG takes the majority.

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Spidey still beats his but, on Venom at best he would be at what a 2 tonner? Parker at his peak is a 15 tonner, and much quicker, with his webs and overall vastly superior physical skills takes it easily and quickly.

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@jimmy_rustler: Why would you make such a mismatch? Darkseid gets romped by that many flights of stairs, let alone the traps involved....