Clash of the Comics #33 War Machine vs. Tigra

 WAR MACHINE VS TIGRA 
 
Origin:  
James Rhodes has generally been portrayed as a close friend of Tony Stark's and military liaison between Stark industries and the military.  It was only a matter of time before he got a suit of armour.    
 
Greer Grant Nelson originally started off as the Cat, not Tigra. Volunteering for experimental procedures she came out of that with super powered physical and mental abilities. That wasn't enough though for a motivated women like Greer though and soon after in a ceremony performed by the Cat People (no affiliations with either Cat Steven's or Catpanexe), Greer was turned into the Tigra, a legendary human, cat hybrid warrior. Now with striped fur, razor claws, super senses, and uh.. a black bikini, Tigra was ready to take her place as one of Marvel's most popular and appreciated Heroes!  
 
Tammy: Mixing science with mystical power is interesting, though I like the evolution of rhodes from friend to hero (just like with Pepper)  I got with a tie here.   
 
SC: I give props to Tigra for being one of Marvel's first big characters. Not as iconic as maybe Jean or Sue, but still. Plus I really like Rhodey but I still feel like he is tied to Iron Man, which is okay, but yeah. Whole shadows thing. Tigra up one.  
 
Powers:   
Pretty much the same as Iron Man (super armour) but with a bit more fire power. 
 
Mystical and scientific in nature, Tigra is super strong, super fast, super durable, super agile, super catty, super stamina etc... her senses are very enhanced allowing for especially acute sight, smell, hearing. Her claws allow her to puncture steel. She is also a part time cop, which is badass and means she can fight and is pretty smart. Her tail can also trip up people, causing them to fall on their ears, eyes, noses etc, which is so painful... so you know... be careful. 
 
Beast mode... I mean Vehicle mode Activated!  
   
Tammy: I think War Machine would likely win, but it is hard to say as they have completly different powers.  
 
SC: I think Tigra can pull an upset win... I mean I have seen cats dodge.. machine... guns before and like... jump.. high.. and then.. uhm.. rip into... armored flying tanks... like.. okay War Machine wins. 
 
Personality:   
One of the few that acts as a conscious to Tony, though this has at times put them at odds with one another.   
 
Tigra has all the common personality traits of a hero, self sacrifice, discipline, strength, a sense of justice, and a willingness to apply it, due to her unique physiology, she can have an animalistic side that can assert itself over her more rationed human side, and that itself brings out a few more feral personality traits, such as aggressiveness, as well as amplify other traits such as fear, desire and affection. She is generally warm and friendly, smart stubborn and responsible as well.   
 
Now... is this Tigra without the Fur or War Machine without the Armor? Maybe we will never know...
  
Tammy:  I think Rhodes gets this one for acting as the straight man to all of tony's wild antics (well he is one of the straight men).
 
SC: Gah gur, hmmn, blah. Tie... my reasoning is... the color green...  okay well James is a good friend to Tony, I'll base it on that. 
 
Costume:   
Not so much of a costume, but just the armour.  Usually grey to the red/gold scheme of Iron Man.  
 
A black bikini! It has these little ornamental tooth decorations... least I hope they are ornamental... she is of course also covered in distinctive and stunning light orange fur, striped, similarly to that of a Tiger (Bengal?) her hair is a bit darker and a bit more fiery. 
 
Grey Armor 
   
Tammy: I like the costume as skin concept more than the armour as costume concept, so I will go with tigra here as well.   
 
SC: Tough. Both sort of defy traditional concepts of clothes. I am a big fan of technological armor suits though, slightly more than Tigers... so if only Greer had a robotic Tigra themed power suit. War machine. 

Aesthetics:   
Usually regarded as more level headed and more restircted by military protocol.  He is nonetheless one of the powerhouse characters in the Marvel Universe when he has the armour on.   
  
Tigra is a furry. I mean uhm, oh pretty typical staple of comic books, anthropomorphic animal inspired characters, and Greer is definitely one of the best and more famous. These characters tend to struggle with balancing their human ideals with their animal instincts. You wouldn't want to put all of them in a room together though... because you know... they'll transform into VOLTRON!   
  
Tammy:  I have to go with neither here, both of their names completely lack in originality but other than that they are pretty siolid B list characters.   
 
SC: This is tough too. Both actually are similar in that they both follow a certain tradition and character type, neither are huge characters, both both have a lot of fans and some nice moments... I'll go with Tigra. I feel she earns it more. 
 
Best Story:  
My superior intellect yet laid back charm (and grace) has allowed me to discern that issues 169 - 170 of the original Iron Man comic, are among the War Machines best stories, issues 280 - 291 are highlights naturally and contender for his best story, and War Machine's Dark Reign stories also do well to capture the nature and appeal of Rhodes, even as far as to pit War Machine versus War God. O' Canada, our home and native land! Something else Canadian and something smart and wise and enlightening (possibly about fashion) 
 
Oh... hmm, tough, there have been a few. I am very fond of one Avengers story arc, where Tigra, alone, is responsible for saving the world, after several powerful heroes fail, from Molecule Man when his powers were near his most powerful. Her strategy? She tripped him with her tail... (I kid) She actually just used her brain and reasoned with him. Brilliant. Her 2002 mini which is about love lost, the empty black hole that lingers after, and righting wrongs and fighting corruption, challenges not just Tigra but Greer's human side as well when she goes undercover is a pretty interesting tale that has its moments. Recent stories in Avengers: The Initiative and Avengers Academy have also been highlights, and especially touching for Tigra fans, itching for revenge and resolution after a certain writer wrote a jarring scene in which Tigra was beat viciously. Tigra got her justice in aforementioned story arcs. 
 
I probably should have posted this in costume section 
Tammy: The Tigra story (stories) sounds better 
 
SC: Tigra! Both have great stories though. (you sounded a bit odd there for a moment Razzatazz, accurate as far as the truth, but odd... ;) 
 
Fun Fact:   
During Time Wars he traveled back in time to stop Nazis from getting stolen future technology   
 
Erm, one time Greer went so feral, that she was shrunk down to a more conventional pet size, kept in a cage and eventually escaped and lived... as a wild animal around the suburbs... Comics Kids! Or Cat People.  
 
Tigra fans, beware Bendis (as pictured here sneaking into Greer's bathroom) 
  
Tammy: Neither of those are really fun, but Rhodes pulling a Jesse Owens I guess deserves the win here.
 
SC: Stopping Nazi's I like a lot more than the idea of Hank Pym keeping Tigra as a pet. *concerned look* So Rhody. 

Media Appearances:   
In most animated Iron Man series.  The character was in the original Iron Man film and the second film gave an alternate explanation of how he got the armour. 
  
I like to think,  that whenever you look at a tiger, you sort of experience seeing Tigra in a different medium ... well... not really but I would rather say that, than mention Avengers United They Stand. *cough* since they foolishly shied away from using Olivia Wilde for Catwoman, I'd be some game for her to be Tigra in an Avengers movie or sequel make it happen Marvel!!    
 
Terran... Don.. Terranc... Do.. War Machine everybody!  
 
   
Tammy: Olivia Wilde would be good, but you suggest her for every role ... I will go with Rhodes for being more visible (even though they switched actors for no real reason) 

SC: War Machine. I liked him in both movies! I hope he is in the third as well!!!! (oh hey... no I don't cast Olivia as... oh... yeah I guess I sort of do...)

Present Whereabouts:   
He is acting as Iron Man and is also a member of the Secret Avengers.  
  
A prominent teacher/tutor at the Avengers Academy institute, Greer is ready to help, prepare and usher in a new generation of heroes. She also has her own little one (William, after Greer's late husband) to care for.   
  
Tammy: Tigra, I like the mentor role she is playing in Avengers Academy. 
 
SC: Rhodes! His current solo is really fun! He is also appearing in Secret Avengers, and Iron Man, he is quite a few places, its a great time to be a War Machine fan.    
 
Tammy: 4 - 3 SC:  5 - 3 = War Machine wins 9 - 6 
 
I am a Machine. A... Dance Mach.. oops, I mean War. Machine.  
16 Comments
16 Comments
Posted by The Umbra Sorcerer

Awesome job guys!! Not sure who id want to win not a big fan of either ;p 

Posted by SC
@The Umbra Sorcerer:  Thank you!!!! Oh and lol 
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Posted by Jake Fury

Tigra wins by default for being a West Coast Avenger and.......her costume. (The flattering green dress not the bikini.) Ok, so I lied.
Posted by SC
@Jake Fury said:
Tigra wins by default for being a West Coast Avenger and.......her costume. (The flattering green dress not the bikini.) Ok, so I lied.
 
Oh yey, you are a West Coast Avengers fan too? Not enough WCA fans around at CV. 
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Posted by MrUnknown
@Jake Fury: But War Machine also used to be in West Coast Avengers.
Posted by Hawkeye446
@SC said:
@Jake Fury said:
Tigra wins by default for being a West Coast Avenger and.......her costume. (The flattering green dress not the bikini.) Ok, so I lied.
 Oh yey, you are a West Coast Avengers fan too? Not enough WCA fans around at CV. 
*coughs*
Posted by SC
@Hawkeye446:  Yey!! You are a fan of all the best old school books! Excalibur... New Mutants... and West Coast Avengers too? Cheyah! *smile* 
 
I might do some WCA reviews now I think about it! 
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Posted by Hawkeye446
@SC said:
@Hawkeye446:  Yey!! You are a fan of all the best old school books! Excalibur... New Mutants... and West Coast Avengers too? Cheyah! *smile*  I might do some WCA reviews now I think about it! 
It's like you don't even KNOW me! I LOVE WCA, although, I lack the knowledge as I haven't read much. It is FILLED with my favourite characters! Hawkeye, Mockingbird, Tigra, Scarlet Witch, VISION. Ahhh, the 80's.
Posted by Hawkeye446
@SC said:
@Hawkeye446:  Yey!! You are a fan of all the best old school books! Excalibur... New Mutants... and West Coast Avengers too? Cheyah! *smile*  I might do some WCA reviews now I think about it! 
REVIEWS! Do it, although, I miss your hate reviews for X-Men! Which reminds me, what are your thoughts on the "reboot".
Posted by KillerZ

@Jake Fury: War Machine was also in WCA, in fact he was one of the forming members, he only wore the red-yellow suit at that time.

But in my mind Tigra wins everything.

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Posted by SeanNOLA
@SC: Another WCA fan over here!  
You also forgot to mention that Tigra's greatest story was when she tried to get rid of her Tigra soul so she would stop having sex with everything. (WCA 5ish-15ish)
Posted by HBIC89

LOL I love Tigra.

Posted by Emperormeister734

Always down for War Machine, sorry TIgra
Posted by Timandm

I love your description of the characters...  
 
Soooo... I have a question.   Are we talking about them in a battle and wondering who would win?   If so, then I have to ask, how exactly would Tigra damage War Machine?  I'm not being sarcastic or facetious, I honestly don't know.  She doesn't use weapons, and even if she did, which ones would she use?  Punching, kicking, and scratching are going to be fairly useless in this case.  Sooooo.. HOW exactly does she do damage to him?

Posted by SC
@SeanNOLA said:
@SC: Another WCA fan over here!  
You also forgot to mention that Tigra's greatest story was when she tried to get rid of her Tigra soul so she would stop having sex with everything. (WCA 5ish-15ish)
 
*smile* Yey! Good to hear.  
 
Oh lol... I was thinking about referencing that issue, but did not know how to do so without being awkward *red*  
 
@HBIC89 said:
LOL I love Tigra.
 
She is pretty awesome. Thank you for posting!  
 
@Timandm said:
 If so, then I have to ask, how exactly would Tigra damage War Machine? 
 
Ti Fu of course. Its like Cat Fu, but with like Tiger Claw stance incorporated.. uhm... then she can like... use.. her tail... to catch the missiles he throws at her... and uhm... *red*  
 
lol, more seriously its not just about a battles match up. Its basically whatever you wish? Sort of? We agree that War Machine, as far as offensive power is just yeah. Not as lopsided as some of other Clashes though, like Vegeta and Modok and Legion and Granny Goodness lol
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Posted by Timandm
@SC: Ahhh...  In that case... I think she and Rhodey would make a FAR better couple than she and Hank...
 
So, here's how it goes down...
 
  • They end up facing each other over some issue... It's the comics so it doesn't matter what the issue is... And they fight...
  • Rhodey has difficulty tagging her.
  • She gets in a few shots, but they don't do a great deal of damage...
  • In the course of the fight, he can't help but notice how much MORE sexy and alluring she is... 
  • The fight stops...
  • He asked her to marry him...
  • She doesn't say yes, but she doesn't say no exactly... Rather, she agrees to a long term engagement with much more sex than any real marriage would ever have...
TA-DA!!!! 
 
Everyone's happy...  Oh, and naturally Rhodey teaches her son William how to be kewl and what not...