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#1  Edited By saturnssailor

@Jayfournines: Tim Drake would win. He has more experience and even in Terry's description it states that he isn't as good of a hand to hand fighter as Tim.

Side Note: Why are they bloodlusted and how? It wouldn't really make sense for them to be bloodlusted and then change into gis to go fight in a dojo, so they would have to become bloodlusted after they got to they dojo in their gis. Toxin, maybe? In almost every fight that I've seen lately everyone is bloodlusted and I don't quite get it.

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#2  Edited By saturnssailor

If you're trying to get to know the new 52 Tim Drake, his origin story will be coming out in September (Teen Titans #0). In the new 52 he was also never Robin.

For pre-boot I would recommend the post http://www.comicvine.com/tim-drake/29-9290/guide-to-reading-up-on-tim-drake/92-639547/#23. It has a list of his main issues and what happened in them so you can pick and choose. It doesn't cover his whole career though. For something cool after he leaves Batman I would read the Red Robin series, especially the first few which shows him loosing Robin, becoming Red Robin and how he changed because of that.

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#3  Edited By saturnssailor

Since Deathstroke is just testing Tim then this isn't really a fight. If Deathstroke brought his skill down to much that Tim started winning he would just try a little harder and Tim would be losing again. Deathstroke has the advantage of experience, super powers and less stringent morals. The fight would go as Deathstroke wanted and end when he wanted.

Possible exception: Tim uses his superior knowledge of the Batcave to somehow win. I don't know how. Maybe he can say a code phrase that the batcomputer recognizes and then releases super powerful sleeping gas that the bat family is immune to, but Slade isn't. It'd be stupid and not really a real win, but I could see it being written if Deathstroke wasn't really paying attention.

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#4  Edited By saturnssailor

If there is a large enough distance between the two teams then Team 1 would win as all they would have to do is have Zuko and Azula pour fire out onto Team 2. Without they healing factors they would be dead/severely injured.

If they are close by Team 1 has the advantage of having an extra member and fire-bending, but it would all be a matter of timing. X-23 could take out Ty Lee or Mai, but both would overwhelm her. Zuko and Azula could probably use their firebending to keep Wolverine and Sabertooth from getting too close so unless they have long range weapons (which they rarely use) I doubt they could get them unless they got the element of surprise.

I guess I would have to go with Team 1.

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#5  Edited By saturnssailor

Cass beat Lady Shiva and Batman so I'd have to go with her. I don't know too much about Taskmaster though, so I could be wrong.

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#6  Edited By saturnssailor

Unless the Powerpuff Girls have some weakness that I don't know about (since I haven't watched the series in a decade) I guess I would have to give it to them. It sounds laughable, but after seeing the PPG thread they really are mini-Supermen. So 3 vs. 1.

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#7  Edited By saturnssailor

Batman definitely gets more and I think they tie on hotness.

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Joker -29

Batman - 14

Mr. Freeze - 8

Poison Ivy - 10

Harley Quinn -13

Two Face -11

Barbara Gordon -14

The Riddler - 29

Cassandra Cain -11

Catwoman -12

Tim Drake - 14 (+1)

Nightwing- 16

Damian Wayne - 7 (-1)

Jason Todd - 11

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#9  Edited By saturnssailor

X-23.

Damian is the assassin trained kinda-clone of one of the biggest characters in Marvel who is now struggling to be more human and fit in while trying to earn his father's love and acceptance.

X-23 is the assassin trained kinda-clone of one of the biggest characters in DC who is now struggling to be more human and fit in while trying to earn her father's love and acceptance.

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Before the reboot, Tim Drake idolized Robin and believed that Batman needed a Robin. When he couldn't get Dick Grayson to return to the role he became Robin. Scott Lobdell announced that Tim Drake was never Robin and went straight to Red Robin.

"Tim goes straight from being Tim Drake to being Red Robin in that there was no official period of time where he was Robin."

Later after seeing a lot of fan outrage he posted this on his twitter.

"Attention Tim Drake Fans, be at peace. He was still Batman’s most brilliant sidekick of several years. Still adopted. Origin 90% intact."

So what's the big deal? He just tacked Red onto the front of his name. This doesn't change anything, right? Wrong. There are three main reasons for this.

1) Names mean something. Batman had two Robins before Tim was his sidekick. Robin was an inseparable part of Batman. The light to his darkness, etc.

2) The biggest problem is that now he never changed from Robin to Red Robin. It might be easier to see by comparing it to "What's the big deal if Dick was never Robin and was just called Nightwing instead? It's only a name change." When Dick fought with Bruce and Bruce fired him he went out into the world and became his own person, Nightwing. If he was only ever Nightwing he loses the transition from sidekick to hero and all that goes with it. This is a step that every sidekick makes and it means something.

After Bruce "died" and Dick became Batman he made Damian Robin, essentially giving up Tim's place in the family. Tim then took up the mantle of Red Robin because it was "tainted". He took it as a punishment to himself for his perceived failures. If Tim was never then he never made this transition. He also would have stayed with Dick to fight crime if Dick hadn't given Tim his alternate identity (which was pretty much the last thing that he was holding on to) and not gone to find Bruce.

3) Why does Tim hate Damian so much now? Pre-boot he disliked Damian because he was really mean to him and tried to kill him then he hated Damian after Damian took his role. It's been said that Tim hates Damian because he thinks that he is bringing shame to a legacy that he wasn't even part of. Some might argue that he was still part of the Robin legacy because he was still Batman's sidekick, but so was Batgirl and she's not part of the Robin legacy. If he made the purposeful choice not to be Robin than he isn't part of the legacy and therefore shouldn't be so personally affronted by Damian being Robin. I've heard that Tim chose not to be Robin because of Jason Todd and not wanting to dishonor his memory, but now that Jason's alive again I can't see Tim really being upset at Damian taking his identity especially if Jason isn't upset.

Side Note: I also see no reason to make it that Tim was only Red Robin. It doesn't conserve time in the limited 5 year timeline or anything. Maybe it will be a plot point in the Zero Issue, but right now it doesn't seem to serve any purpose. It doesn't make things less confusing (if anything it makes it more confusing as there wasn't just Batgirl and Robin). I can't see how it would entice new readers and it certainly hasn't made old readers happy. It might have been meant to make a ruckus with current fans and promote the Zero issue though."

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So there's my opinion. What does everyone else think? Do you think any of my points aren't important/don't make sense and/or are there any points that you think I missed?