SarahB

[quote]However, I wasn't completely sold the first issue of Liu's Astonishing. I wasn't impressed by the fact that Remy and Cecelia had apparently become awfully chummy completely off-page. If these two characters really are heading for a romance - and I'm guessing they are - I think it really should be established when, where, and how they began bonding, instead of just implying that it happened between issues... or, rather, titles. It's really unsatisfying for the readers if these things aren't shown on page, and it's really not going to help people care about their future as a potential couple. [/quote] 
 
Exactly.  That's why I said it was just her pet character because it happened just like Carey did with Magneto and Rogue where all the important issues were supposedly handled "off-page". I see CeCe as more of a Storm replacement/another big sister the way she is written than a love interest and with Gambit's new book coming up - hopefully he won't be tied down and can have some flings for awhile given how poorly he was treated at the end of his last relationship. 

                    

               

I'm sure it's been tread (not reading all that) but 616 Rogue and Magneto having an offspring wouldn't necessarily come out genetically as Magnus from Exiles. In most scenarios two characters have a different offspring in a different reality genetically (yet the original characters parents almost always produce the exact same offspring...I'm not here to argue comic science Vs real, anyways...). Like for example Rogue and Magneto in Age Of Apocalypse had a child named Charles who wasn't the same person as Magnus. The easier route to go to get your character back would be to revive the Exiles characters, whom are already connected to 616 and could just as well again, and bring Magnus back to life/pull him from the time stream, ect. 
 
Exactly.   The real issue though is who wants any of these kids.  Scott and "Jean" have more than one and only Cable gets a decent story now and then and he does nothing for me,  Tons of characters have been in relationships.  Why would anyone want Rogue strapped with a kid?  She was with Gambit for a long time and no one was going will they have Arcadian from X-Men 2099?  No and no one wants them to either. 

@Lykopis   

You prefer to think Magneto as someone redeemable. Possibly. It's more that I think Rogue would find it within her to pursue a relationship with him that I don't buy  
  
See this goes to the heart of the issue.  Its one thing to first think Magneto is redeemable (mayvbe  but he's not even trying right now).  Even  Marvel's own staff (including his main writer Gillen) don't believe he is.      
Someone on Formspring kept asking this to the MARVEL people there and got these answers:
 
Do you think that in the short time he's been with the X-Men, that Magneto has now redeemed himself of past crimes?

http://www.formspring.me/KieronGillen/q/299931189681067943

Kieron Gillen: No. I saw Tom answer this one, and I agree. Redemption requires a lot more penitence than Magneto displays.

The Tom that Gillen is is Tom Brevoort who basically said the same thing on his Formspring account but I don’t have a link to it, and

Jordan D. White responded this way: Well, of course that is up to every person to decide on their own. For me? Nah.

 
So basically few at Marvel think's he's trying to reddeem himself so why are the Rogue fans being asked to buy that she's so stupid as to thnk so? 
And the fans that are willing forgive Magneto anything keep attacking the ones that aren't buying it as being unreasonable (even when Marvel's own writersand the main Magneto writer are saying the same thing) and its all because of some issue with Gambit. 
 
they are not fans if they are maligning the character 
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If I think Rogue is being written as an idiot then why does that make me not a "Rogue fan"?   That;s like saying that Gambit fans thinking Gambit was stupidly written and calling Gambit stupid with the Apocalypse thing are not Gambit fans.  You note Gambit is well rid of Rogue (and I'll bet it because of how Carey wrote her treating him instead of just breaking up with him when she could have the few times they've talked).  How is that not "maligning" Rogue as basically acting badly?  Those are all the things people have been "maligning" Rogue about.  As well as it seems April Taylor and Trinity Tiger are basically the same person yet accuses Rogue fans who don't like Rogneto as all being the same person.  Just like you, people don't like it and the issue is not liking it.  Someone asked why many disliked it and I told them.  I didn't start accusing people of making up facts (despite that everything I noted is in the books - it just how one intreprets it.  - Just like above about the Magneto trying to redeem himself.  I don't see it - you don't see it, Gillen who writes him doesn't see it,  If someone wants to they can, if someone wants to excuse Magneto as not killing that human as "protecting" mutants when the guy was a complete non-threat when I say he did it out of plain ole arrogant anger, they can, but they can't say there is no way for anyone else to take it given all that).   
 
If people don't see any redemption or penance or appologies then they can certianly think Rogue is a idiot for not just letting him really prove it but ignoring it all together and out right dating a guy who once thought it was perfectly ok to "force" her to suppoosedly accept some facts that almost made her kill somone she cared about all because he decided she was in denial.  Like anyone has the right to decide that for her especially given it was five seconds in.  Just like he electocuted her and Gambit and  beat the living stuffings out of Joseph for it seemed no other reason than to do so to his clone.  No one can tell me that's not personal and personal attacks are not something one shouldn't consider when getting personally involved.  There is a difference in letting Magneto on the team either because it makes sense with the times (ala now) or if they really think he may be trying to "change".   Given its not even Magneto's first or second chance - how many changes does he get and why are the X-Men responsible for giving them to him after the first one?  But its a whole other thing to think even if he is "redeemable" that those he personally hurt should be in a romantic relationship with him.  And he did personally hurt her as he personally attacked her and made her use her powers which almost got someone killed for something far less egreious than the stuff he's pulled,.  Its like saying Carol shouldn't just let Rogue try to be a hero and accept that but heck she should be so forgiving as to date her even if Rogue never even mentuioned it or appologized for it,  If people think that makes Rogue stupid - it doesn't make them not fans. It means they think the writer wrote her as an idiot and that's why they don't like it.  

@Trintytiger  
 
You can call it BS all you want but that's exactly how a lot of people read it and if anyone is butthurt it would seem to be those like you over the fact that it is not a well liked relationship.    The fact is they had and have history that was not addressed and she's never seemed more dependant to me or acting like a 13 year old than she does now whining about him being over on Utopia and not calling while he never thinks of her at all. 
    

We barely saw her or Magneto in the Magnus story featured in exile. It's not like being a devoted spouse or parent is a bad thing, so I don't get the point of even bringing that up. 
 
It is when that's all she ever is around him.  Rogue is only a leader in AoA or AoX because Magneto the real leader makes her one.  He decides her role is to hang in the Tower in AoX because of her powers yet we clearly get over and over in the story that she really wants to be in the fight with everyone else.  And I notice you blanked over the whole bit in AoA where he only figures out how she can touch him making him her only choice yet has no time in years later to help her touch her kid,.  That's control and he even raised her during her young teen years in AoA.  It was very twisted.    

Her confronting Magneto for something he was semi responsible for (nanny actually electrocuted everyone in the prison whether this was a direct order from "Erik the red" or a result of her programming as "prison guard" remains to be seen) 
  
That's BS excuses.  So you're telling me that Magneto had no control over his mechanical guard he was watching via cameras and so its not his fault?  Who programmed her?  More Rogue was not just electrocuted,. He specifically made her use her powers via his and messed with her mind about something that Psylocke had already fold them so it wasn't even necessary.  You can defend it all you like but it was in print and I can interpret it as complete disregard for Rogue as a person and think Magneto owes her way way more than some appology he's not even bother to give anyway.  
 
Even if she did bring up he would apologize for personally hurting her. 
 
If it's no big deal then why didn't he bother to do so?  
 
He didn't become interested in her because she was depowered. That's so ridiculous. They had a "spark" they weren't expecting it, but it happened. it had nothing to do with the fact that she was depowered 
 
You mean the fact that he saved her twice while she was helpless and totally dependant on him and he could be all powerful and her all grateful couldn't have possibly lead to that "spark" at all?   Nor that it seems like any time on any verse they are together, her power control seems to be so easily gotten past so that Magneto never has to deal with that.   

Scott sent Magneto on the mission encase something happened and Legion went crazy again. He was not there to take David into a dark alley and beat him to death. He was there as a precaution, and if anyone had issues with that they should take it up with cyclops since it was HIS ORDER. 
 
So Magneto is not a grown ass man who can decide not to do an order?  Magneto gets all pissy if anyone even talks about doing to Wanda what he was more than willing to do to Legion at any hint of provocation so don't tell me the hypocrite can't think for himself and decline if he really wanted to.   

Also what human has he killed lately? 
 
At the end of Magneto Not a Hero.  Blatantly murdered a guy for his free speach against mutants becasue it pissed Magneto off. 

 
So far we've haven't seen Rogue(or anyone else) forgive or forget anything that Magneto has done, 
 
Sure she has.  I don't sleep with people I haven't "forgiven or forgot".  It was never brought up so is was forgiven by default.    
 
Again, Rogue and Magneto are ADULTS. He doesn't need to cry over her bed-side when she's sick or hurt. He knew she was going to be fine because she took Frenzy's invulnerability. He never said it would make him look weak. He said something along the lines of "the strong don't like to be seen weak in front of others" which was referring to Rogue and not himself. 
    
He doesn't have to cry but he can and should show some affection.  It's a ccomplete excuse to say he wasn't talking about himself there too (he's says "the Stong" for  a reason) not just says Rogue.  How does he know what Rogue thinks about him coming to see her as Frenzy suggested?  It's not like they've been together any time at all  and I don't call that ADULT talk anyway,  If you are so afraid of looking weak, you are acting like 7 year old.  

The point is that people see if differently and we definitely see it differently and sorry people can hate it for that reason and that is just being honest.  
 

@Nudeviking said:

@TheGreyOutcastX said:

Why get pregnant when you can do what Jean Grey has? Just wait for alternate reality children to come into your life. Lol. That way you likely don't have to deal with diapers and the pains of childbirth.

Besides, not many people like the Rogento pairing and would complain so much about them having a 616 child.

I never understood why Rogue and Magneto pissed so many people off. It's not like it's a new concept. They were together in AoA. They were together in Earth-Whatever-Number-It-Is-That-Exiles-Magnus-Hailed-From. What is Rogue not good enough for Magneto or something?

It's not the age thing. except that no matter how young the man looks, he still acts/thinks like a 80 year old who was in a concentration camp. What people hate about Rogue and Magneto is how she has to alway be subserviant to him when they are together like in AoA where she never questrioned him even when he was willing to let her loose her mind to find out what Bishop knew and how only he could touch her and didn't even help her touch her kid. She was leader only because of him - everything she was came from him and he had all the control. She always comes out in the end like the stupid Exiles story of Magnus (who was a boring character and why they killed him first) as Magneto's devoted wife not spitfire Rogue. In 616, it's even worse. Rogue never confronts him about him electoructing her or forcing her to use her powers while she begged him not to and she almost killed someone over it during the trial of Gambit and he never even bothers to admit it much less offer any appology or reason. That she never once questions why for 20 years of stories he talked down to her like child and only conveniently is interested in her when she's not super strong and has no touch issues (ala the Savage Land and now). Why its always her that has to be considering seeing things from his perspective (his mutant mission) not that he'd ever consider going to the school to be with her. That he was Cyclop's assassin to kill both Legion and Wolverine if necessay yet claimed he wasn't killing people to her yet she never says a word about it. That he "says" he's changed but still kills a human when he gets mad. That they only get together after Legion messes with her mind so she had to be with him in that Tower just like Legion messed Frenzy;s mind with Scott but you don't see Frenzy with Scott. Rogue always has to forgive and forget with Magneto and throw herself at him while all he has to do is show up and say "he's interested". She never confronts him over anything like she did with Gambit and she doesn't even get peeved that he can't be bothered to pick her up when she's hurt because it might make him look weak which he specifically says in Legacy. Rogue does all the subservient and accepting stuff every time Marvel puts them together while Magneto gets to play super and powerful leader she adores. Rogue never took that crap until Marvel decided she had a crush on Magneto. And that's just what comes to mind on my first thoughts. There is more.

THAT'S why so many people hate it.

As for getting Magnus in 616 - who'd want him? He's just a Rogue/Magneto hybrid with no real reason to exist, Magneto already has a child (Polaris) with magnetic powerrs or anything interesting enough to tie a major female chracter down to being pregnant and with child which as everyone noted will end up being aged or killed anyway because its a boring idea to tie to character to if they finally want to do something with her besides make her mommy when she barely ages.

Chamber was great. I thought he was the best part of the story.

Yes. Go away on vacation and come back to my favs winning.

Gambit and Rogue definitely the top choice but I do like Kitty and Colossus too.

I like the whole ranking. Magnetro and Rogue deserve last place. Awful, awful idea.

Wolverina and Domino was interesting as she was with Cable, She seems to work well with that type of military super intense guy.

Wolverine and Domino - 7 (-2)

Rogue and Gambit - 99 (+2)

Kitty Pryde and Colossus - 51

Havok and Polaris - 38

Wolverine and Domino - 19 (-2)

Rogue and Gambit - 91 (+2)

Kitty Pryde and Colossus - 47

Havok and Polaris - 40