RudeBomberBoy01

@kfabz-23:

you've misunderstood why I said most of the things that I said. The reason why I mentioned Thor hits not looking powerful against Hydra agents is because people are exaggerating how powerful he was in the film.

Fair enough, but I shouldn't have to explain why his kicks against HYDRA agents look mediocre.

And with Thor vs Ultron I said that because on a consistent basis Thor has either struggled against powerful beings or his been stomped by them.

No, not really.

Thor vs Kurse

Yeah, Kurse was the guy ripping through Asgardian shields with his bare hands, had Mjolnir bouncing off of him like a fly, and was able to casually hit against it's momentum and physically redirect its path. Not even the Hulk who is every bit as strong as Clark could alter Mjolnir's path. Getting beat by Kurse is not a low showing for Thor.

Thor vs Hulk

The fight went back and forth, both had the advantage different times during their little fight.

Thor vs Ultron.

Ultron is stronger than Thor so no surprise here.

The only one that he didn't really struggle with is Malekith. While Kal-El faired well against Faora & Nam-Ek, I don't think Thor would fair well against them. Unless he decided to city bust, and how often has Thor done that.

No, Clark actually lost to Faora and Nam-Ek at the same time, and was only able to beat Faora by sucker punching her. Thor wouldn't fare any better against them either.

@avatarreiko:

Again, why does he begin to channel it way before. If he can unleash that level of attack instantaneously, he would have summoned the lightning the moment Tony said "now", not before. It wasn't instantaneous.

Stark tells him to 'get ready', which he does, then he waits for the order and Wanda's clearance.

This is instantaneous lightning. See the difference?

Yeah, and look at the collateral damage vs another instance:

Neither was 'charged' yet one's collateral damage is immensely higher than the other.

@avatarreiko:

Adamntium Ultron wasn't even that strong. He had no good strength feats aside from getting a couple if hits in on Thor, which Superman can easily replicate.

He was ale to completely overpower Thor and hold him there without budging. That's a little bit above something Clark can do.

Him enduring the combined attacks from Vision, Thor and IM at the end is not that impressive.

Wow.

Steve was able shrug a blast from Tony.

Yeah, no. Different power levels. Sometimes it's seen ripping through drones made out of tank materials, other times it's seen knocking humans back a bit.

The mind gem has no noteworthy feats, so saying it "is an infinity stone" holds no weight.

Except for the part where Stark states it to house enough energy to level an entire city? No?

The Aether was also an infinity stone, and it was underwhelming in the hands of Malekith.

If you're calling about to kill off an entire universe 'underwhelming' I don't know what you call what the Krptonians were doing.

Thor's lightning couldn't even kill Malekith.

Except for the part where it burnt half his face off instantly and rendered him immobile?

Thor's lightning was also able to rip through the Leviathan armour, the same armour which Iron Man's lasers(which have cut clean through steel like butter in the past) couldn't penetrate.

Superman may not be able to damage him easily due to the adamantium, but that doesn't prevent Ultron from being battered around left and centre. By contrast, he lacks the power to do anything significant to the Big Blue.

No one is going to get battered around here, Superman has zero advantages over Ultron apart from travel speed.

@avatarreiko:

If that is the case, why does he begin channeling the lightning before hand, if he can instantaneously? The answer is, he was charging it.

The same way he channels lightning before he hits anything? He wasn't charging it, he was waiting for Wanda to get clear and for Iron Man to call the shot. Why do you think he hit the ground as soon as Vision and Wanda were clear and literally as soon as Stark yelled 'now'?

He was ready a long time ago. The attack is indeed instantaneous.

@captain_batman_ftw:

Come on dood. Those bots were bulletproof, strong enough to lift cars/trucks, and durable enough to literally rip through the ground beneath the roads unscathed.

Because even with Vibranium, he wasn't that strong.

I'd say overpowering Thor and literally rendering him helpless is a strength feat above Clark's pay grade.

Cap was able to bother him a little with his shield and Cap was also capable to bother Ultron with his punches.

Different Ultron. And Steve is not weak.

Ultron was also hurt by a hit from Hulk, so why can't Superman? Ultron is very weak, and I'm not confusing those two, I know about the Vibranium enhanced Ultron. Also, IIRC, Vision was also rustling Ultron a little bit.

Ultron was never hurt by Hulk, he was hurt by the combined attacks from lightning, repulsor beams and an infinity stone.

Clark is not harming Vibranium Ultron.

You're confusing the different versions with each other. How is Superman going to damage Vibranium Ultron?

Dude lol, don't ruin the movie for yourself. I would advise you to avoid entering any MCU threads before the movie comes out.

@masterkungfu:

not taking anything away from ultron but this thread is starting to turn into an excuse to hate mos

It was long overdue. The amount of trolls and ex banned alt accounts who pop up in MoS threads and state the most ridiculous things while using faulty logic and low balling the opponent into kingdom come is immense!

But yes, I agree, this is not a mismatch, but Clark has no ways to defeat him.

@kfabz-23:

After watchin AOU I can say that Thor & Ultron are being overhyped.

Ditto, like I said, the fight is still debatable, and no one is one-shotting anyone here.

Thor wouldn't do a city busting attack on MOS.

Sure, but he can.

Again Thor only done impressive things against fodder, when it came against someone who could challenge him (Ultron) he couldn't handle it.

That is not a low showing for Thor, but a high one for Ultron. If the Hulk who is just as strong as Superman couldn't overpower Thor, I don't see how Superman will.

When he was hitting the hydra agents it didn't even seem that powerful.

Really? I can use the same logic against you. Faora who was barely able to knock human soldiers back a few feet was able to knock out Superman. Am I doing it right? Thor was kicking them hard enough to harm but not kill.

Thanks dude :P