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Wrong; Anakin killed the Emperor after his arm was cut off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ_j3s5xj8I

There's nothing stopping Anakin from doing the same thing to Kylo or from force-choking him out.

Meh, he got trumped by iron chariots. Not very impressive really.

Non-mirakuru Oliver.

Not a chance. A single cero would incinerate Ban, so Ban is BFR'd quite easily; and his snatch ability is limited. If he takes too much it damages him, basically kind of overloads him. Ichigo's power comes from his spiritual energy and it's so great that he has to burn it off or it pushes down on him. All Ban's snatch ability would do is release some of the building spiritual energy the way Ichigo's Getsuga Tenshou does(Ala Byakuya fight and menos fight at 17:00).

She used a mind trick on a guard, okay; so? Does that mean she's powerful? No, that's a standard Jedi thing. In fact while Qui Gon used it effortlessly against the entire Gungan council; Rey struggled to use it against one single guard. The fact that it eventually worked matters about as much as Anakin naturally using it during Pod Racing; and it's pretty well accepted Anakin would not have beaten Darth Maul as a nine year old. She pulled a lightsaber with a lot of concentration; something that the most basic user can do, not powerful. Compare it to Obi-wan who did the same thing, but while hanging from a ledge and unable to see the lightsaber, simultaneously using the force to jump so he could jump from the ledge in the air to the same place as the lightsaber at the same time while evading Darth Maul.
In fact, while Rey was able to get the lightsaber; Kylo didn't. Compare that to Luke who used the force to grab the lightsaber from beside the Emperor with no effort in a fraction of a second.

Your argument boils down to a circular one. Rey is powerful because she was able to resist Kylo; and Kylo is powerful because he almost beat Rey who is powerful because she resisted Kylo. None of that actually means either of them is powerful compared to anyone except each other. Kylo's best feat is barely being able to overpower an untrained scavenger who's only feat is fighting Kylo. That does not display any real power.

No it's not. Controlling someone's body involves the use of a blanket field. It's unrefined and non-precise. A force-choke is subtly controlling the inside organs of a person with precision; and Luke was able to effortlessly do it to two people which Vader never did in any of the movies. It's like saying pulling an entire person to you is more impressive than being able to telekinetically rip their heart out because the person is a larger area even though it doesn't harm them at all.

@darthduelist9: Not really. Rey was completely untrained, had only just been told the force existed, and her entire knowledge of the force came from vague legends. It took real effort for him to fight her, and he ultimately lost. That's a bad showing for Kylo.
The Gamorrean guards were trying to block Luke and he casually waved his hand like he were bored and seconds later they were out. He succeeded with zero effort.

All Kylo's doing is holding something in place; but where Luke's holding two Gamorrean guards necks in place while applying pressure with no effort, Kylo had to use effort and ultimately lost in a fight against an untrained nobody.

Yeah... but Ren was a completely untrained scavenger who didn't even know the force was real and got all her knowledge of the force from vague legends. The fact that he didn't utterly crush her is really more of a condemnation on his part; and the fact that he actually lost is really kind of sad.

@darthduelist9: Luke casually force choking the two Gammorean Guards at the beginning of Episode 6 seems more impressive than anything Kylo did.

You know what's even taller, heavier, and stronger than a 50 year old Batman? A Bear, Cinderblock, Sladebots, etc.. Robin doesn't just fight people his own height and weight. Robin in Teen Titans is in far better shape, has more recent experience, and is more skilled. Batman in TDKR doesn't show much in the way of fighting skill; just look at his fight with the Joker. He's only got an advantage after surprising the Joker with three Batarangs (out of character), and then once he gets shot in the side (not as serious as a batarang sticking our of your eye) he pretty much fights on even terms with the Joker.

Round 2, Batman doesn't really have better equipment. I don't recall his standard equipment being all that spectacular; mostly just batarangs. Robin has all the same stuff, plus his staff; and has been using them far more consistently. Robin's also more consistent with more powerful gadgets like his exploding disks and cryo-disks that he uses throughout the show. Batman's not agile enough to avoid attacks like Robin and would go down to a handful of exploding marbles like he used against Red-X or a Cryo-disk like he used against Speedy.

Round 3 Robin and Slade would wreck. Working together means Robin would not only have his normal equipment, he'd have his apprentice suit including the arm weapon. He'd take Batman out even more quickly with it. Slade has superhuman strength/endurance, enhanced reflexes, and a regenerative healing factor (though the healing seems mostly between battles); those are all in show (like denting steel with a single punch) or the know your foes interview. With his superior stats and superior tech he would take out Red Hood.

Bear in mind that Teen Titans has semi levels of toon-force; like getting shot out of a tower to land miles away relatively unharmed.

@darthsenju: You still can. I'm sure there's better/closer matches that you can make, and I know there are other franchises I didn't add in like Farscape.