RitchieB

Usually dont post on these things because people will argue without providing any kind of evidence or will argue that your evidence dont count because blah blah blah but here is my opinion. Team Nightwing

1. Here is why Burton Batman is dead weight. He gets ass kicked and nearly killed by Danny DeVito and nobody hear is gonna argue that Danny Devito has any martial art skill at all. The fact Burton Bats even had problem with him shows how weak he is.

2. Nolan Batman gets his ass kicked by Bane multiple times and would have been killed if not for cat woman, Young Justice Nightwing still as Robin defeats Bane in the first season. Note Nolans Batman doesnt even use venom where YJ does.

Two Batman down

3. Arkham Knight Batman and Under the Red Hood Batman are not as easy to say but it is 2 on 1 at this point.

This battle is mainly difficult due to the fact is im not sure what Nightwings you mean. DCAU means what? All Animated Nightwing incarnations Pre new 52? Like Batman Animated Series Nightwing? if that is the case in the Batman Animated Series Website it says "As Nightwing, Dick established himself as an equal to Batman" and if you watch the series they are shown to be similar in terms of skill toward the end of the series that being said with a nightwing equal to or near equal to Batman, a two on one would tip it to Team Nightwings favor. Im guessing they would go after Under The Red Hood Batman because he in my mind is the biggest threat.

As for Arkham Knight Batman I dont think he could kill any of the Nightwings blood lusted or not. He had major mental problems at the end of the series (seeing things, hearing voices, etc. ) from what he did to Joker. So I do not think he could bring himself to harm Dick Grayson. We have seen what happens to Bats mentally when he looses a Robin (Jason and Damian) so I think if he did kill or beat down one of the Nightwings he would snap, and the other clear headed Nightwing would take him down. I dont think that would happen given the 2 on 1 but still.

I think the most important thing that people forget when placing Itachi in a battle is that we have never nor will never see his full strength. He more than likely could have killed Sasuke but he threw the match because he was dying. He easily defeated Deidara who gave Saskue trouble and would have killed him without his summon of that big snake. Also a lot of ppl point to him backing down from Jiraya but forget that Itachi was secretly loyal to this leaf village the whole time. So not wanting to fight someone in his own village makes sense. Now that we know Itachi is loyal to the leaf village its important to note Itachi is a Genius so he is probably smart enough to hide his true power and his best techniques from Akatsuki in case he ever had to fight them.

Anyway I usually dont post on battle threads because people will always post without evidence (so and so stomps) no evidence or they will never accept your facts for a stupid reason but anyway heres why Itachi wins.

1. Jiraya is killed by Pain, Itachi kills/seals Pain after he is reanimated ( he is more powerful at this point unlimited chakara, no fatigue, etc he also kills/seals part of Orro in one blow with same sword.)

2. Also Naruto is clearly more powerful then Jiraya by being able to go farther and more or less defeat pain. Sasuki and Naruto are more or less equals until the middle/end of the 4th shinobi world war. so if Naruto> Jiraya, Naruto = Sasuke, Sasuke < Itachi, then Itachi is stronger than Jiraya.

3. Lastly, Itachi defeats Orro and the Akatsuki kicks Orro out for this and they also call him to weak to join Akatsuki. that being said Jiraya shares with Naruto that he has tried his whole life to defeat Orro and bring him back to the village but is never able to, so Itachi defeating Orro shows he is stronger since Jiraya was never able to do that.

please remember as stated above Itachi is more than likely holding back this entire time for the reasons stated above. These three events prove Itachi would best Jiraya.

@nathaniel_christopher:

I agree. I think owlman being a traitor is very unlikely.

As of Thomas knowing and/or being in the Court of Owls is unlikely, You must consider it this way our Dick Grayson was born into a secret society that not even Bruce had known to exist, had grayson's parents not been killed and Bruce taken him in, our Dick Grayson very well might have become a Talon and assassinated people as villain.

The reverse of that would be Grayson 3 was born into a secret society that Thomas didnt know about, grayson 3 parents were killed and he was adopted by Thomas to become a villain, hence if he had not been adopted he may have been a hero.

third about beliefs, Bruce clearly thought Jason was dead and never coming back but Jason did and Bruce did not know for a long time while his enemies did. so someone shockingly coming back to life isn't unheard of in a Batman comic.

finally, cold did not kill the talons it just stopped their movements and regeneration had they been warmed-up they would come back to life. Also on the same token we have also never seen a Talon killed.

@jayaaerow

this is the new fifty two so there is nothing that state the court of owls is exclusive to this universe, there are many things in worlds one, two, and three that mirror or are slightly altered from each other their is no absolute proof the Court is any different. adding further the Trinity War was set as the first Universe wide cross over before the court of owls. So why of all names would they choose to link Talons and the Court, if they did not intend them to be associated together considering they already had plans for Trinity War.

We don't know exactly what the Jokester said, He could have revealed Grayson's true origins which caused him to defect.

to both

it is fairly obvious that they are going somewhere with this whole Thomas connection to Dick Grayson thing. so we must consider the options

One: Thomas cant bare another Dick Grayson being killed, when Grayson obviously escapes (he is seen fighting owlman and Ultraman in Justice League 25 cover )and Owlman defects to help Dick Grayson

Two: Talon is alive, big shock to Thomas. Helps our grayson or helps the JL comeback from Earth 3.

Three: Dick Grayson turns evil and joins the crime syndicate for no real apparent reason.

Four: Dick Grayson is somehow the key to defeating crime syndicate

Five: IDK what other options do you guys see

@nathaniel_christopher: You may be right and this panel certainly looks as if I am wrong, however this only convinces me that Dick Grayson 3 is alive.

First the less likely possibility, both Owlman and Talon are traitors and Owlman faked Talons death in order to use him as shadow ops agent

Second, It was a ploy that Owlman saw through and simply could not bring himself to kill Talon for turning traitor

Third, (I am a bit surprised that u missed this), Look at he name, TALON, everything about the name suggest he is immortal. If this is the Evil Dick Grayson he full filled his birthright and became an assassin for the court of Owls. every single TALON we know of is immortal. Owlman could have simply never have fought the Court of Owls in this universe like Superman never fought Lex in the Injustice Universe. thus Owlman could believe the Court of Owls is only rumors, like Bruce Wayne did and not know of their regenerative properties.

Thus he could have allowed the Joker to kill him so he could turn into a hero knowing the (now good) court of owls will only revive him.

we have seen multiple TALONS, including Dicks great grandpa and Calvin Rose killed and come back to life.

@degraaf

To begin I correctly predicted there would be one, not saying it is much of an accomplishment, because it was fairly obvious.

second, when Dick Grayson is captured Owlman says to SuperWoman " they call him Nightwing here" which means not only did Owlman take the time to look for Dick Grayson but then figured out Dick Grayson was Nightwing and decided to make an example of him. wither Owlman planned to make an example of him or if Grayson was at the wrong place at the wrong time is unknown. But Owlman did make an effort to find him.

Third we know there is another Dick Grayson because he is mentioned by PowerRing who says "you'd think Owlman would try to protect Grayson considering." to which Deathstorm responds " This one is a copy of Owlmans former partner PowerRing, and a weaker one at that."

this indicates something happened to the Earth 3 Grayson. What exactly is unknown.

It is still my guess that Dick Grayson 3 was once a villain that turned hero and fought against the Crime Syndicate. Maybe the CS thinks they killed him but Owlman knows better and has been hiding the fact that Grayson 3 is alive. Thus PowerRing thinks Owlman would want to save this Grayson because he couldn't save the last one. This is also supported by Ultraman's desire to destroy Nightwing personally by going after his friends and family indicating a need for revenge. If they simply wanted to make an example of the heroes they already did that by "killing" the justice league and Ultraman could have simply killed Grayson to get the point across like he did with that villain that spoke out.

So like I said originally the Two Graysons will work together to bring down the CS, either Grayson 3 will work to bring the JL back to Earth 1 ( while on Earth 3) and lead his team and the JL to fight the CS with Grayson 1s team or he is already on Earth 1 and will help Grayson1 there

Yes but by that logic the woman who has been around Superman more than anyone else should realize that Superman is really just her coworker without his glasses on but we all know connecting those two things are completely beyond human comprehension.

I still stand by my original predictions but maybe earth 3 grayson wont die.

this is what will happen

First DC will try to make us believe that all of a sudden all these different groups know and love Nightwing then rally to save him.( which would be true pre 52)/ Teen Titans thanks to Tim, Then Birds of Prey thanks to Babs, Roy and Star will convince Jason to help, then Dick Grayson (3) will save Dick Grayson (1). ( they might throw in heroes that are all of a sudden NW friends)

Second DC will milk it for what its worth with a bunch of " Who really is Batman?" " Who really is Batgirl?" " Who really is Red Robin?" etc.

then he is either going to be

1. part of some sort of government sanctioned team in exchange for them "protecting his friends and family"

2. Earth 3 Dick Grayson will address the world then the real Grayson will appear and say it was a ploy to bring down Batman Inc. and prove he is " not" Nightwing (and everyone will believe him)

3 Lex will for some reason decide to help Nightwing convince the world he isn't really Dick Grayson and it was all part of a Crime Syndicate ploy to take the world from the true villains.

(I also don't believe this was broadcast around the world. Lex was spying and when he said who's Richard Grayson, a super computer put the info together)

and all will go back to normal.

@comicbookfan93:

I know he invaded one and two but i dont know about 3. as far as i know world three wasn't revealed until justice league 23 so I dont think it has much of a back story. However even if Darkseid did invade it does not mean he destroyed the planet. Earth 1 wasnt destroyed, Earth 2 got the crap kicked out of it but still wasnt destroyed. So there is no way to know definitively what or if Darkseid did anything to Earth 3. Honestly Earth 3 might have faired the best because they must be thousands of years more advanced than us. we know this because they were able to facilitate interdimensional travel when Earth 1 was still very primitive. ( we know this because Pandora's box was created before the Olympian Gods and the box opens dimensions)

@comicbookfan93:

where did u get that, i believe where u are confused is the part in JL 23 that mentions Darkseid. it never said Darkseid invaided World 3 it says when he invaded World 1 it weakened the barrier between universes (darkseid lives in another dimension not another planet) there is nothing that states Darkseid has ever been to earth 3. his invasion simply allowed the crime syndicate to move into this dimension

@acolombia

there is nothing from DC that states that, what ur referring to is a prediction by Bleeding Cool. it is not official

@alak:

yea i honestly have no idea, i dont read WW at all. but the story works without a romantic relationship and it would be nice from Grayson to have a female friend that he doesnt get it on with because i dont think he has any girls that are just friends