RideASpaceCowboy

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@FadeToBlackBolt said:

No one thinks that Wally is pointless. People think Barry is pointless because his character serves no purpose, but in terms of pure power, the Flash is one of the most powerful members of the League. When written correctly.

I would say that Wally is pointless except as the Kid Flash sidekick to Barry Allen. Otherwise he's simply a redundancy to the definitive version of the hero (and if anything I should be biased in favor of Wally, having been born in 1986, the year he took the mantle from Barry).

Barry is the one with the more strongly defined character traits (gregarious, law-abiding, uncompromising), better stories (Crisis on Infinite Earths, Final Crisis, Flash: Rebirth, Flashpoint), better arch-nemesis (Reverse-Flash), and better supporting cast (Iris West, Patty Spivot, Hal Jordan in a sense).

I would have made the Justice League more akin to a highly organized super-human militia with a clear structure and hierarchy.

All members of the League would be said to belong to “The Pantheon.” This Pantheon would be broken into 12 divisions, with each division head belonging acting as the commanding field officers and general council, known as “The Olympians.” Of these Twelve, three are members of the executive council, known as “The Trinity.” The breakdown is as follows:

1. Superman – Head of the Metropolis Marvels, including Superboy and Supergirl
2. Batman – Head of the Gotham Knights, including Nightwing, Robin, Batgirl, and Huntress
3. Wonder Woman – Head of the Amazon Sisters, including Donna (of) Troy and Wonder Girl
4. Green Lantern – Head of the Emerald Warriors, including Guy Garner, Kyle Rayner, and Simon Baz
5. The Flash – Head of the Scarlet Speedsters, including Kid Flash (Wally West) and Impulse (Bart Allen)
6. Aquaman – Head of the New Others, including Mera, Aqualad (Jackson Hyde), the Operative, Prisoner of War, and Ya’wara
7. Martian Manhunter – Head of the Justice League Task Force, including Animal Man, Blue Beatle (Ted Kord), Booster Gold, and Captain Atom
8. Hawkman – Head of the Justice Society, including Alan Scott, Jay Garrick (who is straight), the Atom, Dr. Fate, Powergirl, Stargirl, and Hawkgirl
9. Green Arrow – Head of the Archers, including Black Canary and Arsenal
10. Captain Marvel – Head of the Marvel Family, including Mary Marvel and Captain Marvel Jr.
11. Cyborg – Head of the Teen Titans, including Starfire, Beast Boy, and Raven
12. Firestorm – Head of the Justice League Black, including Steel, Batwing, John Stewart, and Black Lightning

Altogether there are 52 members of the Justice League

Among the twelve Olympians their order here represents their rank with respect to one another, especially while in the field or in active battle. Superman Serves as the Chairman, Batman the Vice Chairman, and Wonder Woman as the Secretary.

Outside of the Justice League are entirely separate organizations such as the Superman Squad, Batman, Inc., and the Legion of Superheroes.

I would have made the Justice League more akin to a highly organized super-human militia with a clear structure and hierarchy.

All members of the League would be said to belong to “The Pantheon.” This Pantheon would be broken into 12 divisions, with division heads acting as the commanding field officers and general council, known as “The Olympians.” Of these Twelve, three are members of the executive council, known as “The Trinity.” The breakdown is as follows:

1. Superman – Head of the Metropolis Marvels, including Superboy and Supergirl
2. Batman – Head of the Gotham Knights, including Nightwing, Robin, Batgirl, and Huntress
3. Wonder Woman – Head of the Amazon Sisters, including Donna (of) Troy and Wonder Girl
4. Green Lantern – Head of the Emerald Warriors, including Guy Garner, Kyle Rayner, and Simon Baz
5. The Flash – Head of the Scarlet Speedsters, including Kid Flash (Wally West) and Impulse (Bart Allen)
6. Aquaman – Head of the New Others, including Mera, Aqualad (Jackson Hyde), the Operative, Prisoner of War, and Ya’wara
7. Martian Manhunter – Head of the Justice League Task Force, including Animal Man, Blue Beatle (Ted Kord), Booster Gold, and Captain Atom
8. Hawkman – Head of the Justice Society, including Alan Scott, Jay Garrick (who is straight), the Atom, Dr. Fate, Powergirl, Stargirl, and Hawkgirl
9. Green Arrow – Head of the Archers, including Black Canary and Arsenal
10. Captain Marvel – Head of the Marvel Family, including Mary Marvel and Captain Marvel Jr.
11. Cyborg – Head of the Teen Titans, including Starfire, Beast Boy, and Raven
12. Firestorm – Head of the Justice League Black, including Steel, Batwing, John Stewart, and Black Lightning

Altogether there are 52 members of the Justice League

Among the twelve Olympians their order here represents their rank with respect to one another, especially while in the field or in active battle. Superman serves as the Chairman, Batman the Vice Chairman, and Wonder Woman as the Secretary.

Outside of the Justice League are entirely separate organizations such as the Superman Squad, Batman, Inc., and the Legion of Superheroes.

If you could live in the residence of any comic book character, whose would you choose? Would you choose to occupy Wayne Manor? Dwell in the Fortress of Solitude? Own the deed to Tony Stark’s penthouse? My top three choices would be…

3) Steve Rogers’ Brooklyn Studio (circa Ed Brubacker’s run) – Seeing this spacious studio solidified in my mind exactly the kind of apartment I’ll be looking for when I next decide to upgrade my living situation (I’m renting a basement studio at the moment). You can be sure I’ll be booting up my Comixology app on my iPad and showing it to realtors the next time I’m house hunting.

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2) The Xavier Institute for Higher Learning (circa Grant Morrison’s New X-Men) – I really miss dorm life, and if even Beak can score there, you know it’s one hell of a party school!

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1) Diana’s royal quarters on Themyscira (prior to Steve Trevor’s arrival) – A secluded island paradise with beautiful Grecian architecture populated exclusively by ageless Amazons with perfect physiques who have never seen a man in their lives? Yes. Yes. A thousand times, Yes!

Below is a list of opinions which I freely admit and honestly hold to, yet at the same time recognize would not be held by most others. I'm of course interested to find out if there are any actually in agreement with me on some of them, but I'm also interested in hearing what opinions you have with respect to the comics industry that you guess would be equally unpopular. Here's your chance to take a stand for what you believe. In alphabetical order, I believe...

1. All-Star Batman and Robin, the Boy Wonder was a better Batman story than The Dark Knight Returns
2. Anime and Manga are aesthetically homogenous and less interesting as a result than the diverse breadth of Western art styles
3. Black and white comics are incomplete until they become fully colored
4. Continuity should never get in the way of good story-telling and the concept of a single shared universe ought to be abandoned in favor of numerous Elseworlds-style imprints equally “real” with respect to one another
5. Digital comics are the real version and the physical copy in merely a spare printout
6. Ed McGuinness and John Romita Jr. are among the worst artists in the industry today
7. Females should be depicted visually in an idealized and unrealistic manner, possessing petite frames, gorgeous faces, and ample breasts
8. Greg Land is one of the best artists in the industry today, particularly in his depiction of females
9. Heroes and other characters put forth as a moral example should not be depicted as homosexuals (except as a clearly acknowledged character flaw) and should never be depicted as transsexual
10. Heroines should not be depicted in a manner which deliberately subverts ontologically predefined gender roles (as opposed to socially arbitrary ones) or diminishes their femininity, and should never be written in such a way as to advance a Feminist agenda or philosophy
11. Infinite comics which take advantage of the unique opportunities of the digital canvas should represent the vast majority, if not totality, of the comics medium
12. Marvel heroes are generally less interesting particularly because of the pathos infused into their character as opposed to the DC heroes which are more archetypal and iconic, serving not as relatable characters but rather the gods of a modern mythology to whom one can look up at
13. Star Wars: Republic comics chronicling the adventures of Quinlan Vos and the entire series of Star Wars: Legacy (both by John Ostrander) are superior to the actual films themselves

@sethysquare said:

@RideASpaceCowboy said:

@WaveMotionCannon said:

BUT IF THE UNDERWEAR COMES BACK IM OUT.

Why does he have to wear the same outfit every day? No one in the real world does. Jim Lee helped to design to downright awful, atrocious, "crime against humanity on par with genocide and child molestation" New 52 armored look, so I think you're likely to find that gaudy costume in Man of Steel. But with three ongoings he could easily be drawn in the classic tights and underwear in Superman and the new jeans and tee-shirt appearance in Action Comics. That way fans of each are satisfied with at least that aspect for at least one of the titles.

Or perhaps it would be best to remove editorial mandates altogether and let each artist bring their own interpretation to the costume as they see fit. Having seen some fairly cool variants on DeviantArt I'd love to see what professional artists could do with the same level of freedom.

please don't use phrases like that. You're making genocide and child molestation sound less severe than it is.

hate the costume all you want but nobody died or got traumatized for life so please refrain from making such stupid comparisons.

After alliteration, hyperbole is my favorite literary device and I employ it with great frequency. I make it quite clear that I'm exaggerating and do not genuinely hold this opinion. All the while, there are some opinions reflecting the zeitgeist of our age being expressed on these very forums which I deeply ignorant and yet do not express offence at. After all, offence is so subjective that anyone could take offence at absolutely anything, so that trying to avoid offending others is an exercise in futility and frustration

A point of clarification: this thread isn't really asking for your particular preference as to how Superman ought to be depicted, and is certainly not asking the question of whether he's a literal god or human within the comics themselves.

Rather, it is offering a brief and concise historical summery of the various statements of religious nature which the character of Superman has been used by various writers to make. Some writers have drawn clear comparisons to Greco-Roman heroes and deities in order to put forth the notion that comic book superheroes serve a similar mythological function in American society. Others have made clear and deliberate allusions to Christ (in a possible affirmation of Jesus as an ultimate superhero) while others have done so in order to then subvert the trope and offer humanist conclusions instead.

I was hoping contributions to this thread would cite further examples of the various ways the Super-god or Super-human paradigm has been utilized, such as the Silver Age tale "The Sword of Superman" in which a voice almost certainly meant to be that of God calls Superman His "son" saying to him, "You have done well, my son. You have earned your name. Your future is yours to make. Your greatness among living things is assured," in a scene strongly reminiscent of Christ's baptism in the Jordan River.

The Action Comics jeans and tee-shirt; my whole purchase of Injustice: Gods Among Us is dependent on whether or not it's available as an alternate costume.

And as for an alternate Wonder Woman costume...

@WaveMotionCannon said:

BUT IF THE UNDERWEAR COMES BACK IM OUT.

Why does he have to wear the same outfit every day? No one in the real world does. Jim Lee Helped to design to downright awful, atrocious, "crime against humanity on par with genocide and child molestation" New 52 armored look, so I think you're likely to find that gaudy costume in Man of Steel. But with three ongoings he could easily be drawn in the classic tights and underwear in Superman and the new jeans and tee-shirt appearance in Action Comics. That way fans of each are satisfied with at least that aspect for at least one of the titles.

Or perhaps it would be best to remove editorial mandates altogether and let each artist bring their own interpretation to the costume as they see fit. Having seen some fairly cool variants on DeviantArt I'd love to see what professional artists could do with the same level of freedom.