Rheged

LMAO at some of these responses.

@Babs said:

... where Namor, at the bidding of Emma Frost, attacks Wakanda, murdering T'Challa's people

The question is, however, was the destruction of Wakanda really Namor's fault?

The dialogue between Scott and Emma indicates that it wasn't Scott who did those horrible things, it was the power of the Phoenix Force. Yet, it's hard to determine whether this applied only to Scott, or if it applied to all members of the Phoenix Five.

In that scene, Scott tells Emma that she "knows it wasn't him," in reference to the murder of Charles Xavier and his betrayal, but Emma seems to disagree. So, was that really Scott who did all those terrible things, or was it the Phoenix Force? If this was all just the Phoenix, should these characters be held responsible for their actions? Following the events of AVENGERS VS. X-MEN Scott Summers was imprisoned for the damage he had caused while under the influence of a power he could not control. But was his imprisonment warranted? Should he be held responsible for the murder of Charles Xavier? And also, should Namor be held responsible for the death and destruction of Wakanda and Black Panther's people?

The way that these two characters (Scott and Namor) had evolved over the last few years might give us a better clue as to how their actions should be judged. Over the last several years Namor's relationship with Black Panther has soured, particularly during the Black Panther run during Dark Reign. During that time it appeared as if Namor had struck a deal with Dr. Doom that allowed Doom to attack Wakanda and cripple the country, taking its resources (Vibranium).

So was this the Phoenix doing all the destroying and the killing, or was this the Phoenix merely enhancing these characters and their abilities and shutting off their inhibitions? How much of what happened was the Phoenix, and how much was these characters? What do you think? Do you think Namor should be held responsible for the destruction of Wakanda, and if so, what should Black Panther do about it?

I have to disagree with you on these two bolded bits, Babs. Phoenix Emma didn't tell Phoenix Namor to attack Wakanda. Phoenix Emma's target, like Phoenix Namor's, was the Avengers. They both agreed that Phoenix Scott didn't see the situation they were in and stronger measures were needed. All Phoenix Emma did was tell Phoenix Namor where he could find their mutual enemy. Blaming the woman for Phoenix Namor's action's is somewhat misogynistic.

Namor wasn't allied with Doom to attack Wakanda. That was just poor, unclear writing on Hudlin's part. It's clear from his encounter with Shuri, and the fact that he helped the FF and Shuri take down Declan, Doom's ally, that Namor wasn't on Doom's side or aware of what was going on there.

We only have to look at Namor's past to see that he would not have normally dropped a tidal wave on Wakanda. Yes, he took this action once, when he was a teen-ager and inexperienced with the surface world, but apparently, it affected him so, that he NEVER DID IT AGAIN. Despite the fact that he's always had the ability to do so. In all his invasions and struggles with the surface world, he's never resorted to that option. So, clearly, there's a difference between Namor and Phoenix Namor.

@X35 said:

Do let me know when people stop thinking big numbers nobody looks at means you're amazing.

OP isn't seeking your worthless validation. He wants to do things on the Comicvine wiki, but can NOT, without a certain number of wiki points. So how about following your own advice, and try to "be helpful" to a fellow viner, which is allegedly YOUR priority, instead of being snotty?

@X35 said:

Editing it for the sake of being helpful rather than to achieve a numerical value.

Do let us know when ComicVine embraces your philosophy and frees all of us with unsorted priorities from the restrictions of wikipoints.

@tea8765 said:

I feel like its been slow going so far and I am only at 990 points, what kind of wiki submissions or updates gets you the most points?

Wiki Tasks give bonus points. AND you can request Wiki Tasks, if there's something you want to work on / fix, to get extra points for doing so.

http://www.comicvine.com/wikid/task/queue/

Also, if you make any changes in the text of entries that require deleting something already there, then you need to do the deletion separately. Otherwise you get much less points for the corrections / additions you made.

@TheAntiReVamp said:

@Rheged said:

@luckydomino1 said:

namor is an aqua man ripoff he really doesnt interest me and he is a snooty arrogant loser

Your post betrays your ignorance of the character, so I'm not surprised he doesn't interest you. Namor is older than Batman. Aquaman IS the rip off ... of Namor.

I know I'm just nitpicking here but why does it matter if Namor is older than Batman?

Because I'm pretty sure a bunch of other Golden Age Heroes/Villains are older than Batman...

Like who? The list of Golden Age superheroes that are still in use today isn't huge, much less ones older than Batman, who many consider DC second oldest character.

As for why it 'matters' ... it goes to people claiming Namor is a rip off of Aquaman, when clearly, if you're aware of comic book history, that's incorrect.

@The Stegmansaid:

@xxxddd: You mean besides him constantly thinking himself superior to everyone despite the fact that he's really not, trying to have affairs with married women (both ultimate and 616 Namor) besides him destroying an entire nation (Wakanda) just because he was mad at Black Panther, and how he is a jerk to everyone that's not the aforementioned women he's trying to seduce? Namor is the biggest non villainous douchebag in comics.

Except, of course, none of that is true.

He IS superior to most people in various ways -- his very god clearly thinks so. He's strong, faster, richer, powerful, better looking, can fly, etc. His very blood is magical, and the magic of Atlantis has to flow through him.

Both Emma and Susan Storm were NOT married when Namor first wooed them. Emma STILL is not married. And both women go seeking out Namor, not the other way around. Sue in Civil War and the Old Atlantis story and Emma in their first meeting and in the Cabal. Both of his wives, Dorma and Marrina, were NOT married when he was romancing them. The fact is he's never started a relationship with a woman who was NOT single.

Namor didn't destroy a nation, and he certainly didn't do it because he was mad at Black Panther. He was after the Avengers, and Wanda in particular.

Oh, so when he was helping put Wakanda back together after Doomwar, Namor was being a jerk? And he's such a jerk, especially during WWII, that Cap calls him brother? And when he saved Reed and Sue's marriage, TWICE, he was just being a jerk ... or trying to get in Sue's pants? Namor's only a jerk to people who deserve it and people who don't treat him or Atlantis with respect.

Namor's not a goody two shoes, Captain Whitebread, ordinary superhero -- he's a king with more responsibility than any other hero. He's brutally honest, does not suffer fools, proud ... and sexy -- which clearly some people can't handle.

@entropy_aegis said:

@xxxddd said:

@entropy_aegis said:

namor. Aquaman is a douchebag.

Fixed.

Riiight,Namor is a bigger douche than most villains,I've seen villains with more class and character than Namor.

Utter nonsense. I await your list of these villains.

LOL!  Perfect timing.  Thank you for supporting my argument.  FYI, Namor's been in a body condom for a couple of years now.
 
But his speedo is awesome and is perfect for his personality.  It makes men uncomfortable and women appreciative.

@Rheged said:

@CrimsonCake said:

@Rheged said:Please. No one ever says Namor is useless or has stupid powers -- he doesn't have to endlessly prove he's not a joke. He's not a rip off another popular aquatic character. Namor is the far more interesting character.

That's because Namor isn't as popular as Aquaman.

The only people who say he has useless powers are uninformed about comics.

Back then Marvel and DC were copying each other for ideas. Marvel even once made a character inspired by Aquaman ( I can't remember who this character is at the moment).

Popularity has nothing to do with it. The only people that say Aquaman is a better character than Namor are uninformed about comics or are Aquaman fans. I'm curious as to the name of this Marvel character that was based off Aquaman, as I don't recall any. Namor is the original character. He not only inspired the creation of Aquaman, but he's the forerunner of most of comics anti-heroes even today. Grant Morrison's Marvel Boy was inspired by Namor. Geoff Johns clearly drew on Namor for his take on Black Adam. Heck, just look at this thread. The reason why most folks want to be Aquaman has nothing to do with the character and everything to do with his hot wife! Ironically, they want to be like Namor, and romance another man's wife. LOL!

Actually a lot of people here want to be Aquaman because they say that Namor is and I quote "A Douche". They know enough about Namor to decide whether they want to be him or not.

@Rheged said:Please. No one ever says Namor is useless or has stupid powers -- he doesn't have to endlessly prove he's not a joke. He's not a rip off another popular aquatic character. Namor is the far more interesting character.

That's because Namor isn't as popular as Aquaman.

The only people who say he has useless powers are uninformed about comics.

Back then Marvel and DC were copying each other for ideas. Marvel even once made a character inspired by Aquaman ( I can't remember who this character is at the moment).

Aquaman is just a way better character then Namor any day.