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@jonny1995 said:

I have been interested in reading comics featuring Namor and I was wondering which Namor comics are considered as the best?

I'm also interested in reading the "Namor: The First Mutant" series that was written by Stuart Moore and John Byrne's Namor series.

A lot depends on what kind of stories and writers you like. There ARE 75 years of Namor stories to chose from, and that covers a wide variety of styles and tastes.

I love the late Silver Age / early Bronze Age books, and my favorite Namor run is probably Roy Thomas' with John Buscema, Marie Severin, and Sal Buscema. So, my own personal favorite to recommend to folks unfamiliar with Namor is the SAGA OF THE SUB-MARINER. It's a 12 issue mini-series that covers Namor's entire life from his parents meeting to the death of his second wife, right before John Byrne's 1990s run. And the best part, is it's autobiographical. Yes, it's told entirely from Namor's PoV, because he's writing his life story! It's actually written by Roy Thomas (one of my favorite Namor writers) and lushly drawn by Rich Buckler with inks by Bob McCleod. The only negative, IMO, is Buckler draws Namor with a very very flat top hair cut. If you don't feel like tracking down the issues, you are in luck. Marvel is releasing a trade collecting the mini-series, in the fall.

Lots of people like Byrne's Namor series; it has an intriguing premise -- Namor as a CEO of a green company. I have some issues with it, but over all it's solid work, with a more straight forward, hero mode, Namor. It mostly takes place out of Atlantis.

For a modern take on Namor, yes, the Stuart Moore NAMOR THE FIRST MUTANT series is good, as it gives you an idea of what motivates Namor, which you don't get in any team book, presently. It mostly takes place in Atlantis. The big negative is the art. It's a merry go around of disparate artists and inkers, sometimes two or three on a single issue!

If you want to see what brought Namor to the Cabal and the X-Men, then I recommend SUB-MARINER REVOLUTION. It's a mini-series that's been collected in trade, that takes place in Atlantis and on the surface, post Civil War. It's something a thriller / team up, as Namor visits various allies to help him deal with rogue Atlantean terrorists, while Atlantis is being threatened by SHIELD. It has a great final page.

SUB-MARINER THE DEPTHS is an excellent story, but it's not that good of an intro to Namor. First off, it's an alternate universe, and second, he barely appears on the page in the mini-series.

And then there's the Golden Age ... but if you are a GA fan, than I'm betting you've already read Namor, as he was one of Timely's biggest sellers.

Team books, like Defenders, Invaders, Avengers, X-Men,Fantastic Four, etc. are nice appetizers, but they rarely give you the full meal, when it comes to Namor. Read a story where he's the focus.

#2 Edited by Rheged (605 posts) - - Show Bio

Great preview pages for ANI #4, with the rest of the gang (Toro, Union Jack, and Spitfire) -- and especially glad to FINALLY see Namor cut loose, and against Ikaris! Awesome!

New character looks interesting also. And am curious about this new major character that will in both Invaders and FF.

One nit ... why is U-Man white?

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And STILL no news on Namor, Marvel's first superhero, joining Avengers Alliance. I guess they'll have Rocket Racoon take his place on the Illuminati, when they have that mission.

So, it looks like this will be yet another Marvel game I won't be playing.

Someone's getting a little complainy for no reason... I'm sure they'll find a good way to introduce him soon.

For no reason? Namor hasn't been in a Marvel game since Ultimate Alliance in 2006, and he wasn't a playable character even then.

Avengers Alliance HAD a good way to introduce him, when they did the Phoenix Five scenario, but instead they replaced him with Dark Phoenix -- like that made any sense. Meanwhile, Avengers Alliance keeps adding non-Avenger characters like Fantomax??? And Marvel's first superhero, an Avenger, Defender, Invader, X-Man, and FF member is completely ignored.

Again, I'm sure they'll find a way to introduce him soon. And Jean Grey + Phoenix makes much more sense than Namor + Phoenix. Not in the source material, but in the context of the game how would they explain why Jean doesn't have the Phoenix Force?

And they're only calling it Avengers Assemble because the Avengers is the big name everyone knows, yeah?

I am positive they will find a way to introduce him soon. Falcon is one of their most storied characters, and he's just getting introduced. Namor can't be too far behind.

LOL! You're comparing Falcon's history to Namor? If Avengers Alliance cared about 'storied characters,' Namor would have been the first one up, since he's Marvel's oldest character, with connections to almost every group in the MU. Tons more than Falcon or Fantomax or Brother Voodoo or Omega Sentinel or HEIMDAL.

Right. Cause Fantomax is a character everyone knows. NOT.

Jean Grey doesn't make sense in the context of the Phoenix Five, since why would the Phoenix split up when it could have one single, and most favored host? And if you are going to do the Phoenix Five you should do all of them, not replace the character that had the second biggest role, behind Cyclops.

I'm not saying that Falcon is as important to Marvel's history as Namor. I'm saying that he is also an important Marvel character.

And clearly they either haven't found a good way to manifest his powers on the game, or are saving him for a specific story. Brother/Doctor Voodoo and Omega Sentinel at the very least are good characters in the game. I'm not saying they're classic Marvel characters or anything. I'm just saying they've found a good way to have them in the game.

You are also getting way more emotional about a stupid online game. Its really not as big of a deal as you're making it.

LOL! Of course, when you can't come up with a logical counter argument, start making personal attacks. It's obviously a big enough deal for you, since you've replied three times to this subject.

It's been EIGHT years since Namor was in a game, and even longer since he's been a playable character. That alone is plenty of reason to complain about his absence from a game. If you don't think so, do without your games and posting on comic sites for eight years, then come back and tell me I've no reason to complain.

The only reason Falcon is in the game, is because he's in the movie. Just like the Warriors Three and Heimdal are in the game because of a movie. I've no idea why you are bringing up the rest of your excuses and using Falcon as an example, when Namor has him beat on almost every count.

Saving him for a specific story? You mean like AvX or Infinity? Stories Namor had a role in. Namor has ties to just about everyone in the MU, it isn't any great hardship to fit him into any storyline, JUST LIKE IN THE COMICS. His powers are flying brick, like Thor -- what's so difficult about manifesting those powers?

And why are you bringing up the subjective 'good in the game', as if it's some rationale for why they are in the game and Namor isn't? From a powers pov, they are redundant. From a story pov, they, like Falcon, don't have any where near the connections or history Namor has in the MU.

#4 Posted by Rheged (605 posts) - - Show Bio

@rheged said:
@lcazt1996 said:

@rheged said:

And STILL no news on Namor, Marvel's first superhero, joining Avengers Alliance. I guess they'll have Rocket Racoon take his place on the Illuminati, when they have that mission.

So, it looks like this will be yet another Marvel game I won't be playing.

Someone's getting a little complainy for no reason... I'm sure they'll find a good way to introduce him soon.

For no reason? Namor hasn't been in a Marvel game since Ultimate Alliance in 2006, and he wasn't a playable character even then.

Avengers Alliance HAD a good way to introduce him, when they did the Phoenix Five scenario, but instead they replaced him with Dark Phoenix -- like that made any sense. Meanwhile, Avengers Alliance keeps adding non-Avenger characters like Fantomax??? And Marvel's first superhero, an Avenger, Defender, Invader, X-Man, and FF member is completely ignored.

Again, I'm sure they'll find a way to introduce him soon. And Jean Grey + Phoenix makes much more sense than Namor + Phoenix. Not in the source material, but in the context of the game how would they explain why Jean doesn't have the Phoenix Force?

And they're only calling it Avengers Assemble because the Avengers is the big name everyone knows, yeah?

I am positive they will find a way to introduce him soon. Falcon is one of their most storied characters, and he's just getting introduced. Namor can't be too far behind.

LOL! You're comparing Falcon's history to Namor? If Avengers Alliance cared about 'storied characters,' Namor would have been the first one up, since he's Marvel's oldest character, with connections to almost every group in the MU. Tons more than Falcon or Fantomax or Brother Voodoo or Omega Sentinel or HEIMDAL.

Right. Cause Fantomax is a character everyone knows. NOT.

Jean Grey doesn't make sense in the context of the Phoenix Five, since why would the Phoenix split up when it could have one single, and most favored host? And if you are going to do the Phoenix Five you should do all of them, not replace the character that had the second biggest role, behind Cyclops.

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@lcazt1996 said:

@rheged said:

And STILL no news on Namor, Marvel's first superhero, joining Avengers Alliance. I guess they'll have Rocket Racoon take his place on the Illuminati, when they have that mission.

So, it looks like this will be yet another Marvel game I won't be playing.

Someone's getting a little complainy for no reason... I'm sure they'll find a good way to introduce him soon.

For no reason? Namor hasn't been in a Marvel game since Ultimate Alliance in 2006, and he wasn't a playable character even then.

Avengers Alliance HAD a good way to introduce him, when they did the Phoenix Five scenario, but instead they replaced him with Dark Phoenix -- like that made any sense. Meanwhile, Avengers Alliance keeps adding non-Avenger characters like Fantomax??? And Marvel's first superhero, an Avenger, Defender, Invader, X-Man, and FF member is completely ignored.

#6 Posted by Rheged (605 posts) - - Show Bio

And STILL no news on Namor, Marvel's first superhero, joining Avengers Alliance. I guess they'll have Rocket Racoon take his place on the Illuminati, when they have that mission.

So, it looks like this will be yet another Marvel game I won't be playing.

#7 Posted by Rheged (605 posts) - - Show Bio

Jessica Jones??!? Really? What about Black Widow, Carole Danvers, Storm or just about any other superheroine, all of whom have far, far, far more history, more impact, and more fans than Jessica Jones. Also, Marvel is celebrating 75 years, because of Namor the Sub-Mariner and the Original Human Torch. They could have at least mentioned them. :(

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Jessica Jones??!? Really? What about Black Widow, Carole Danvers, Storm or just about any other superheroine, all of whom have far, far, far more history, more impact, and more fans than Jessica Jones.

Also, Marvel is celebrating 75 years, because of Namor the Sub-Mariner and the Original Human Torch. They could have at least mentioned them. :(

#9 Posted by Rheged (605 posts) - - Show Bio

Mr. Robinson,

Can you talk a bit about your preparation for the Invaders book? Obviously, you read Roy Thomas original take, but was there anything else in particular that you absorbed? I'm especially interested in Namor, as disappointingly, so many of his wonderful plotlines have been ignored from his own books (the last solo and mini-series), as well as how his actions have effected him and the Atlanteans from Dark Reign, to joining the X-Men to the events of New Avengers.

Also, can you explain what the heck was going on with Aarkus in Avengers / Invaders? Was he supposed to have been the D'spare who fought Dr. Strange all along? Or was he a new and temporary incarnation?

#10 Posted by Rheged (605 posts) - - Show Bio

Mr. Robinson, I'm enjoying both of your Marvel books, especially Invaders -- though I'm impatiently awaiting Namor's appearance.

Will both Invaders and FF be shipped monthly or will there be double shipping? I despise double shipping because it makes it impossible for a book to have one artist and thus one visual style, and reduces the role of the artist as co-creator for a series. Both Pugh and Kirk are doing great work on Invaders and FF respectively, and I'd hate to see either book become victim to rotating artists.

That said, this is Marvel, so I'm resigned to art whiplash. Can you tell us who the rotating artists are on both books?