ReV wRites (Rants): DCnU The Good, The Bad and The Ugly

So, unless you've been under a rock you probably already know that there is going to be a huge Reboot/Revamp in the DC universe. Maybe it shouldn't be called a reboot since most of the bits and pieces of the continuity are supposed to remain intact. But are they? Superman is going back to square one, not marriage, no respect. Same with the rest of his "family", specifically Superboy, who is going back to the "clone" phases. Most league heroes seem to be following suit. The Teen Titans is going to be formed for the first time which means that there is no previous relation between Tim Drake, Cassandra Sandsmark, Conner Kent (who isn't even going to be called that anymore) and Bart Allen (who we do not know will still be the same character or even of the same name). No Young Justice. Martian Manhunter won't be a part of the Justice League. And I could go on and on about the changes but I really don't feel like it is necessary. The point is that the only people that are really going to be similar after this supposed "Revamp" are the Bat- Community. Yep. And not even their interactions with other heroes will be kept the same. Yes I'm looking at the original Teen Titans line up. I'll get to that in a second. 
 
To make this Blog shorter, simpler and easier to follow I will divide it into three parts. The Good, where I talk about the... Good (No sh*t). The Bad (again, self explanatory) and the Ugly (where I look at why some fans may not like this).
 

The Good

 
The part which I think is the best in the Revamp is the fact that the reimagining of all of these characters will make them relevant again, and if we are hopeful this will attract more people to the Comic Book community and thus will allow them the industry to thrive. That is what we're hoping at least, realistically speaking I'm not really sure that that many sales will have risen and that the Revamp will in the end prove to have done all that we hoped for. I still think that it is making MORE characters relevant and that it may increase sales to regulars, who may be jumping onto the DC bandwagon for the first time. I, for one, know that in the very least, the DC Revamp is my jumping on point to reading singular issues again. I also know that I'm going to be buying much more DC books instead of Marvel. I don't know if they were aiming for that, but its the effect and a positive one in the very least. Titles that weren't that interesting at first now seem to have a much more interesting "aura" around them and I seem to be wanting to wander into the ex-Vertigo titles. 
 

The Bad

 
Unfortunately the DC Revamp also means a couple of things. No more Vertigo. And, something which affects me more, No more WildStorm. I know that for a fact that a few of the readers of Vertigo here on CV do not know what to think of the Revamp (keep wanting to write Reboot, for obvious reasons). This might be the chance for their characters to shine but it might also be a lack luster reinterpertation of their favourite characters which might lead for them to stop buying the current comic books, to instead delve deeper into the series that came out back in the 90s where their characters were at their greatest. To me personally, I have a couple of problems with the Wildstorm side of things.  First of all there doesn't seem to be a great many cast of characters, and while I don't know all of the cast in Stormwatch, I still feel like there's something missing. I want Backlash (for those of you who know what I'm talking about, I know that he hasn't been featured in a great many comics and has been "benched" so to speak, but I still want him back DAMMIT! And yes I'm speaking about the original). I also don't know how I feel about the redesign to the characters. Have you guys looked at midnighter? Did you see that CHIN SPIKE? (Seriously WTF Jim Lee? That better not have been your idea). Apollo also looks... (Yeah I was tempted to make a pun with the word Gay). And lastly... They're in the same universe as the rest of the DC guys. Yes, I know that seems too obvious to be a problem, but these guys kill people all the time, and I doubt that this is going to be allowed in the DC universe, so unless DC is planning of doing their version of Civil War (which they're not, at least not in this way). So, it seems that this is also going to be a way in which they change the characters, and may change the characters fundamentally. 
 

The Ugly

 
Here's the worst. Its what we all think at night before out nightmares. Is this being done for money? Is DC turning into MARVEL? I think that they aren't but that doesn't mean they aren't. Who knows. But more importantly, why is it that people think that DC is "selling out" (to put it bluntly). Because of all of the broken continuity. People think that its a cheap shot and it goes wrong against everything that made DC good and they feel like they got kicked in the face. I don't blame them. Personally I have two concerns. The first is the Teen Titans not existing. Well it isn't a concern, but more of a fanboyish "I HATE DC, DIE DIE DIE" problem. I won't talk about that cause you guys don't want to hear a fanboy. It would be pretty one sided argument without any real backing. The second is all this of Superman being the first hero. First of all, accodring to continuity, Batman is going to have been here for some years, but that means that Superman is also going to have been doing this for some years. In the very least. But then I think about the JSA? And I sincerely can only come out with three options: DC made a mistake (or I misinterperted the quote/solicits), JSA never existed or the one which I think is more interesting and leads me to smile uncertainly. I know its kind of late to go out with all my theories, but could it be that Superman actually took part in WWII? Could it be he's been on earth for a coupl of decades? Maybe he went into hiding between WWII and present day. But all of this is to say that DC seems to be sacrificing continuity for money, which is the ugly side of this Revamp, if its true.
26 Comments
26 Comments
Posted by Jonny_Anonymous
@ReVamp: Well Superman will have respect ect in his main title. He will only be a new hero and mistrusted in Action Comics because it is set five years in the past
Posted by ReVamp
@spiderbat87 said:
@ReVamp: Well Superman will have respect ect in his main title. He will only be a new hero and mistrusted in Action Comics because it is set five years in the past
I didn't know. Still... Whatevs. :P
Posted by steelhorseclub

Great blog. Of course its about the money but like you said, it would only help the industry in the long run. I personally am putting my faith in the artist and writers. There are some great people behind most of the new books. Just remember, alot of these guys and gals are the ones that created our much loved continuity in the first place. 

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@steelhorseclub said:

                Great blog. Of course its about the money but like you said, it would only help the industry in the long run. I personally am putting my faith in the artist and writers. There are some great people behind most of the new books. Just remember, alot of these guys and gals are the ones that created our much loved continuity in the first place. 
           

Yeah. While I think that the money does affect what is happening in the DCnU, I don't think that it is affecting it in a bad manner. While they may be doing it to get more money, since the Comic book industry is in full force, I don't think that money is their only objective or that it is leading them to do horrible decisions for fans, like Marvel does many times. (Not trying to bash Marvel, just stating my opinion)
Posted by Jnr6Lil

Even though they're not getting rid of the past continuity, its time DC stop lying to us and admit this is a reboot.

Posted by ReVamp
@Jnr6Lil said:
Even though they're not getting rid of the past continuity, its time DC stop lying to us and admit this is a reboot.
They are getting rid of alot of the continuity for some characters. The only characters that aren't really affected by it are the Bat-Group.
Posted by The_Tree

I thought I heard that Teen Titans was still in continuity. And didn't they say that Superman was just the first public hero?

Posted by ReVamp
@The_Tree said:
I thought I heard that Teen Titans was still in continuity. And didn't they say that Superman was just the first public hero?
1. I don't think so. 
2. Maybe. Still a problem, kind of?
Posted by The_Tree
@ReVamp said:
@The_Tree said:
I thought I heard that Teen Titans was still in continuity. And didn't they say that Superman was just the first public hero?
1. I don't think so.  2. Maybe. Still a problem, kind of?
Here's the URL to where I read about the Titans, apparently Lobdell says it still happened. http://www.titanstower.com/monitor/?p=7486 
For #2 I think it could work out, I mean, making it to where all the other older heroes could have just been thought of as myths and legends. It's a little strange, but it works.
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@The_Tree said:
@ReVamp said:
@The_Tree said:
I thought I heard that Teen Titans was still in continuity. And didn't they say that Superman was just the first public hero?
1. I don't think so.  2. Maybe. Still a problem, kind of?
Here's the URL to where I read about the Titans, apparently Lobdell says it still happened. http://www.titanstower.com/monitor/?p=7486  For #2 I think it could work out, I mean, making it to where all the other older heroes could have just been thought of as myths and legends. It's a little strange, but it works.
I'll check that out now! As for Superman, I think that while it might work, I still don't like it. Or maybe they weren't considered Heroes, since that might be what they were working with, they were Soldiers or whatever. Its highly subjective. I was just getting my thoughts out, but you may be right.
Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt

if there is no Creeper in the new dcu or if they f*&% him up AGAIN in anyway, there will be blood...........

Posted by ReVamp
@The_Tree said:
@ReVamp said:
@The_Tree said:
I thought I heard that Teen Titans was still in continuity. And didn't they say that Superman was just the first public hero?
1. I don't think so.  2. Maybe. Still a problem, kind of?
Here's the URL to where I read about the Titans, apparently Lobdell says it still happened. http://www.titanstower.com/monitor/?p=7486  For #2 I think it could work out, I mean, making it to where all the other older heroes could have just been thought of as myths and legends. It's a little strange, but it works.
That link just earned you a follow. I'm so happy that its in my status! :D
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@Avenging-X-Bolt said:
if there is no Creeper in the new dcu or if they f*&% him up AGAIN in anyway, there will be blood...........
On that topic, I NEVER understood why DC didn't put the outsiders in the new 52 titles. It doesn't make sense, while I know that Batman is already appearing in more titles that Wolverine (not litterally just my failed attempt at a joke), I don't understand why not? It seems to be a stronger title than JLI, or any of the more obscure titles, so why not add it? Will the character even exist? What about the rest of the Outsiders history, lol. Maybe Nightwing should lead a team, I always liked that version of the team. :P
Posted by The_Tree
@ReVamp said:
@The_Tree said:
@ReVamp said:
@The_Tree said:
I thought I heard that Teen Titans was still in continuity. And didn't they say that Superman was just the first public hero?
1. I don't think so.  2. Maybe. Still a problem, kind of?
Here's the URL to where I read about the Titans, apparently Lobdell says it still happened. http://www.titanstower.com/monitor/?p=7486  For #2 I think it could work out, I mean, making it to where all the other older heroes could have just been thought of as myths and legends. It's a little strange, but it works.
That link just earned you a follow. I'm so happy that its in my status! :D
:{D
Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt
@ReVamp said:
@Avenging-X-Bolt said:
if there is no Creeper in the new dcu or if they f*&% him up AGAIN in anyway, there will be blood...........
On that topic, I NEVER understood why DC didn't put the outsiders in the new 52 titles. It doesn't make sense, while I know that Batman is already appearing in more titles that Wolverine (not litterally just my failed attempt at a joke), I don't understand why not? It seems to be a stronger title than JLI, or any of the more obscure titles, so why not add it? Will the character even exist? What about the rest of the Outsiders history, lol. Maybe Nightwing should lead a team, I always liked that version of the team. :P
cuz its sales were dropping and Didiot said to himself     "hmmmmmm people must not like the outsiders anymore.........or could my writing suck.............nah its definitely the nobody liking them thing".  my guess is  "Red Hood and the Outlaws" is supposed to be the "modern, badass. edgey" version of the team. 
Posted by ReVamp
@Avenging-X-Bolt said:
@ReVamp said:
@Avenging-X-Bolt said:
if there is no Creeper in the new dcu or if they f*&% him up AGAIN in anyway, there will be blood...........
On that topic, I NEVER understood why DC didn't put the outsiders in the new 52 titles. It doesn't make sense, while I know that Batman is already appearing in more titles that Wolverine (not litterally just my failed attempt at a joke), I don't understand why not? It seems to be a stronger title than JLI, or any of the more obscure titles, so why not add it? Will the character even exist? What about the rest of the Outsiders history, lol. Maybe Nightwing should lead a team, I always liked that version of the team. :P
cuz its sales were dropping and Didiot said to himself     "hmmmmmm people must not like the outsiders anymore.........or could my writing suck.............nah its definitely the nobody liking them thing".  my guess is  "Red Hood and the Outlaws" is supposed to be the "modern, badass. edgey" version of the team. 
LOL. While I love the Outlaws, I have to say it has nothing to do with the Outsiders. At the most I see it as a Secret Six thing. Though I guess one might be based on the other, Red Hood and the Outlaws = Batman and the Outsiders? o.O. But still... not very similar.
Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt
@ReVamp said:
@Avenging-X-Bolt said:
@ReVamp said:
@Avenging-X-Bolt said:
if there is no Creeper in the new dcu or if they f*&% him up AGAIN in anyway, there will be blood...........
On that topic, I NEVER understood why DC didn't put the outsiders in the new 52 titles. It doesn't make sense, while I know that Batman is already appearing in more titles that Wolverine (not litterally just my failed attempt at a joke), I don't understand why not? It seems to be a stronger title than JLI, or any of the more obscure titles, so why not add it? Will the character even exist? What about the rest of the Outsiders history, lol. Maybe Nightwing should lead a team, I always liked that version of the team. :P
cuz its sales were dropping and Didiot said to himself     "hmmmmmm people must not like the outsiders anymore.........or could my writing suck.............nah its definitely the nobody liking them thing".  my guess is  "Red Hood and the Outlaws" is supposed to be the "modern, badass. edgey" version of the team. 
LOL. While I love the Outlaws, I have to say it has nothing to do with the Outsiders. At the most I see it as a Secret Six thing. Though I guess one might be based on the other, Red Hood and the Outlaws = Batman and the Outsiders? o.O. But still... not very similar.
thats probably their way of trying to shake you, a group of heroes with a different outlook then most following a batman-related character with the mission statement changed up. and seeing as how starfire and arsenal are both ex-outsiders it makes a lot of sense (not in a good way)to me
Posted by ReVamp
@Avenging-X-Bolt: Yep, its also kinda starting to make sense to me. I kinda dig it to be honest, but not the fact that they're trying to replace it. Though I'd like a Nightwing and the Outsiders book and then a crossover. It'd be fun. But yeah, I don't know about the Creeper... But he'll probably show up eventually...
Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt
@ReVamp said:
@Avenging-X-Bolt: Yep, its also kinda starting to make sense to me. I kinda dig it to be honest, but not the fact that they're trying to replace it. Though I'd like a Nightwing and the Outsiders book and then a crossover. It'd be fun. But yeah, I don't know about the Creeper... But he'll probably show up eventually...
same. not mad about the teams existence but am infuriated about their attempt to replace the outsiders.  
 
i bet creeper wont make it in but Jack Ryder will just as a F#($ you......er i mean "homage" to Creeper fans . well at least he wont be a demon or a joker knock off anymore.......DC really f7^&*%d Jack over after the infinite crisis
Posted by ReVamp
@Avenging-X-Bolt said:
@ReVamp said:
@Avenging-X-Bolt: Yep, its also kinda starting to make sense to me. I kinda dig it to be honest, but not the fact that they're trying to replace it. Though I'd like a Nightwing and the Outsiders book and then a crossover. It'd be fun. But yeah, I don't know about the Creeper... But he'll probably show up eventually...
same. not mad about the teams existence but am infuriated about their attempt to replace the outsiders.   i bet creeper wont make it in but Jack Ryder will just as a F#($ you......er i mean "homage" to Creeper fans . well at least he wont be a demon or a joker knock off anymore.......DC really f7^&*%d Jack over after the infinite crisis
Honestly I wouldn't know, since I'm not big into Creeper, so I won't pretend to know. But yeah, I know how you feel.
Posted by Jnr6Lil
@ReVamp said:
@Jnr6Lil said:
Even though they're not getting rid of the past continuity, its time DC stop lying to us and admit this is a reboot.
They are getting rid of alot of the continuity for some characters. The only characters that aren't really affected by it are the Bat-Group.
Well they said that past history is still intact, but I see your point, because now that they're literally going back to # 1 Titles for each series, they are getting rid of continuity.
Posted by Billy Batson
@Avenging-X-Bolt said:
if there is no Creeper in the new dcu or if they f*&% him up AGAIN in anyway, there will be blood...........

Someone likes Creeper? LOL 

BB

Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt
@Billy Batson said:
@Avenging-X-Bolt said:
if there is no Creeper in the new dcu or if they f*&% him up AGAIN in anyway, there will be blood...........

Someone likes Creeper? LOL 

BB

Posted by Billy Batson
@Avenging-X-Bolt said:
@Billy Batson said:
@Avenging-X-Bolt said:
if there is no Creeper in the new dcu or if they f*&% him up AGAIN in anyway, there will be blood...........

Someone likes Creeper? LOL 

BB

 BB

Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt
@Avenging-X-Bolt said:
@Billy Batson said:
@Avenging-X-Bolt said:
if there is no Creeper in the new dcu or if they f*&% him up AGAIN in anyway, there will be blood...........

Someone likes Creeper? LOL 

BB

is that a problem?
Posted by Jnr6Lil

Creeper just isn't a big enough star to survive the Revamp, Face it he's always been seen as a Joker wannabe,. His character is going to need a deeper backstory if he wants to be succesful, If anything have him go from a hero to villain and kill the Joker (like Kill), Have him then take the mantle of the Clown Prince of Crime.