RedX9

@TheMess1428:

The thing is that most writers bring back characters and there usually isn't consequences to their return at all. Superman comes back and its like "oh great to have you back big guy!" but there should be a fall out from that. I wrote a book a few years ago and I had two characters die. The emotional weight behind those deaths were brought to the other characters in full force. They questioned what they should do and where to go from there as they continued to look back before they moved forward. This is why death is important in comics.

I digress though, Dick did a lot of this when he took up Bruce's mantle, but when Bruce returned, Dick was like "well I guess you're gonna be Batman again. See ya!" and it made the whole story of Dick as Batman kind of irrelevant.

Its not about how long they should be dead before coming back, its about the fact that if they die, they should never ever return. I say before deaths became popular, it was a nice touch to a story where Superman died or Jean died and returned. Seeing them resurrect was something we all truly could appreciate as these were basically gods in teh books. But we've seen less powerful people in comics return left and right to the extent that death virtually means nothing anymore. And sometimes when its advertised a person will die, there's some loop hole explaining that they never died to begin with that loses the effect and message of the story.

When Captain America "died" it was a big moment. Civil War showed us how big the issue of brother vs brother was. when he was shot, it really was a kind of passing the torch moment for Bucky who assumed the role afterwards. But after that, when Steve came back, it was revealed he was never killed but rather frozen in time that made us think he was killed. That one moment took away from the entire death of Captain America story for we all knew it was a matter of time before he took up the role again and they would kill Bucky off. which they did in Fear Itself...same with Thor as well.

when they let Darksied kill Bruce and allowed Dick to take up the role of Batman, we knew eventually he would return to the role, but we never wanted Dick to give up the Batman mantle because it was something that was already earned by him through all the training he went through under Bruce's teachings. Whats the point of killing someone and having someone take up their mantle or learn from their teachings if we are going to bring them back soon? Its just a waste of time.

Dead needs to stay dead in comics. No matter what. Just because the industry doesn't know how to tell compelling stories doesn't mean resurrect dead characters, it means find the talent that's capable of moving stories forward without resorting to an old concept of resurrecting.

This was a good issue, but I wasn't a big fan of how they abruptly ended the main story. But also, while there wasn't a Robin even 5 years ago, it just further makes us question how long any of these boys were a Robin. They are clearly shown to be in there mid teens. Tim had to be 12 to 13 at the most with the other two somewhere at 15 to 16. But still it wouldn't change the idea that if these guys were under the teachings of Bruce Wayne, they would have to be under his wing for a long long loooong duration of time for them to be trained in the ninja arts the same way Bruce was.

I don't think the heroes of marvel would tolerate him for very long. Its why he's perfect in DC. batman never will cross the line to get rid of him but with marvel, they have characters who will kill him the minute he caused massive amounts of trouble. captain America is willing to kill as is wolverine, punisher, so who would tolerate him? I don't think anyone would.

Great issue

@wowylied: I couldn't agree more about Smallville. It was just a bad show that used the relationships to tell the story but it was never really character driven. Its for this reason that they show suffered. It was far far far from being good.

Nightwing in Bludhaven...I know, people will say it won't work but it can. Just do it like it takes palce after he leaves Batman and tries to create a new name for himself outside of Gotham. Its doable.

Really hope its not Jean. Makes me sick just thinking about it

I don't think this team will have the blessings of the Justice League when they show up in the new 52. Look at how Batman was about Justice League international being around. Initially the JL and JLA will cross paths but its going not going to be pretty. You have to factor in why there will be a JLA to begin with. Will America think that Steve Trevor is better off not trying to keep relations with the team because they are uncontrollable? Its safe to assume such a thing seeing has how congress was about the JL still being secretive after all this time.

Also, How the hell is Steve Trevor still alive when we saw his spirit at the end of JL last month!?

Regardless, I'm intrigued to see where this goes and how it comes about.

Dare I say it, I base my readings on creative. Yes, that's wrong but i'm not willing to shell out cash on a poor story with a poor writer attached to it. i read justice league dark number one and didnt like it, then jeff lemire came in for number 9 and i started buying it regularly. Who writes the books make a huge difference to me. That's not saying I will drop batman when Snyder leaves it but if the writer who follows him don't maintain the quality he has then I'll drop the book after an issue or two.