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@LordVulcan: Don't worry Aizen has a bankai since it was stated early on in the series that the only person to ever become a captain without first achieving a bankai was Kenpachi Zaraki. That being said jean loses before she ever realizes she did. Aizen's Kyoka Suigestu isn't a mental attack it's a sensory attack which means Jean will in fact be trolled by Aizen and lose
A sensory attack will be of little use, she will reach out with her mind and shut his down as soon as the fight starts. What reality he try's to fabricate is unimportant because she will know her attack has worked or not via telepathy.
Except the thing about Aizen is you never know what's an illusion and what's not when fighting him. When she thinks she's shutting down his mind via telepathy could be an illusion, when in all reality he could just be trolling her time and time again. I mean you guys are acting as though Jean has foreknowledge of Aizen's abilities, which would make all the difference if she did, but she doesn't.
So in case it isn't clear
Random encounter: Aizen
If they both have Foreknoweldge of each others abilities: Jean
As I've said before this wouldn't be the case when it comes to telepathy. Telepaths use there telepathy to find and attack someone, regardless of how he manipulates what she would see or feel is irrelevant as what he effects her will have no outcome on how she tells if she has his mind or not.
Except you're missing the point I'm making. She would be in his illusion before she ever had the chance to realize it and when she thinks she's using her telepathy she actually won't be using it at all, and thus the trolling begins. Whenever she thinks she's in his mind, she actually won't be which is the way his powers work. Listen we'll just have to agree to disagree I've spent enough time here
How? her power does not depend on her ability to see or sense of touch. You clearly don't understand how his power works, he cannot manipulate her thoughts. He creates realistic illusions that fool the senses that telepathy is not dependent on e simply has no way of fooling a telepath since they don't target anything physical, it's that simple.
Aizen can fool someone into thinking they've killed him but how can an illusion trick someone into thinking that they have entered someone's mind?
I do know how his powers work and you just contradicted yourself. You just said he cannot manipulate her thoughts but go on to later say he can fool someone into thinking they've killed him which would be an act of manipulating that person's thoughts would it not? You guys seem to be missing the point I'm trying to make here and that is the fact that how can Jean fight against something she won't even know she's been effected by. Anyway I've spent waaaay too much time here and I have to get back to my tournaments
I should have been more specific with you. The way Aizen fools somone into thinking he's dead is no different than having someone look like him die in front of the person he's tricking, there will be a corpse that feels and looks like you but there will be no mind because it's not real and he can't create a fake mind with his powers to trick her.
You've been missing my point, her seeing illusions will have no effect on how the battle plays out, put simply she doesn't need to fight his illusions as they have no bearing on her actions. Even if Aizen was aware of how she will attack him he cannot fake being under her influence as I've pointed out before it's not a tangible or visible thing. There is nothing he can do that will stop her from reaching for his mind.
That's not necessarily true but I don't really feel like going into detail about it. Anyway with that being said this is the question that everyone seems to be ignoring. How can Jean fight against something she will never know has effected her. Also her seeing illusions will have every effect on how the battle plays out since she can't fight against something, she doesn't even know has happened to her.
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