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#1  Edited By Redberry

@cameron83 said:

@Redberry: did you not read the op,that argument is like saying he can beat the flash...flash is far different than the other speedsters..and superman should be able to knock midnighter out before he can even think of the fights with 1 punch,also the only way midnighter is beating superman,or has a chance is if he has kryptonite,but superman can still fly out of range fast enough and shoot him with a laser or freeze him,statements like that make me believe your a fanboy...and in what possible way is midnighter's powers like superman's.....and actually now i think midnighter can kill batman....dammit,but yeah your entire superman thing was useless and invalid,it's because of the other guy why i say midnighter can beat batman,but he certainly cannot move faster than the speed of sound...even batman has dodged bullets,when,oh yeah,everyday

No, I did not say he could beat Superman, I said he could beat people of superman caliber, that is the difference. Superman caliber is usually what I refer to people who have the generic power set which mirror superman like superspeed, superstrength, flying which plague every DC titles nowadays. I have never said Midnighter's power is like Superman, so I don't even know why you bring that up.

P.S. Actually, you call me a fanboy for saying that Midnighter can beat Batman. It seems like you can't have a normal conversation without name calling on this forum. There is just no way Batman can beat Midnighter in a normal fight, based on their power level. If you read up on Midnighter, you should know that his power is beyond the capability of Batman in a standard fight.

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@Redberry said:

You choose to speculate based on the scans which is not evidence in itself. lol, but feel free to think whatever. It doesn't make your speculation true.

Those scans are from the very series which introduced the Life-Force explanation . As I said before , I go by the on-panel evidence available at hand , and it clearly shows that the Life-Force is no longer in her possession . Unless an until there is an on-panel revelation that Wanda re-acquired the Life-Force , your opinion means jacksquat .

Considering that you're the sort of person who disregards comic book scans as evidence , you aren't left with a high ground to stand upon . Not that you had any to begin with .

I disregard it because you post misleading scans. Those don't prove she no longer has life force in possession. She lost it to Doom, but she can still open up the life-force, which means that she could still has the life-force. Her ability to affect phoenix could be due to it. Like I said, keep believing whatever you want. It doesn't make it true. lol

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@cameron83 said:

@Redberry: that sounds like fanboyism don't you think,i know i sorta sound like one,but i want to know......

@Rumble Man: also i hate how they somewhat weakened the red lanterns,cutting off the ring arm,seriously...that is so lame and complete PIS......and did they fight atrocitus,how did it go,in all honesty atrocitus should've defeated them badly

I read all the issues Midnighter were in, his solo series included. I know his power. He can fight people of Superman-caliber. Apollo's power is very similar to Superman, and he finds a way to beat the heck out of him. Apollo can fly around the Earth in roughly 30 seconds, he also has superstrength and invulnerable skin. Midnighter was able to beat him and the rest of his teammates easily. He can move in a burst of superspeed which means that he can kill Batman even before Batman can react. He usually prolongs fights because it's fun to him, not because he has to. Plus, he's ruthless. Batman doesn't kill, but Midnighter often kills his opponents in his first strike. Batman shouldn't even be able to hit him. He was able to dodge bullets in close combat from someone who has precision enhancement. There is just no way Batman can win against him. It's only fanboyism if I say Midnighter can beat people like Spectre or Phoenix. His ability just doesn't measure up to them.

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@Rumble Man: so your telling me that there is absolutely no possible way that batman can win

Batman can only win by PIS. There is no other way Midmighter would lose to him.

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You choose to speculate based on the scans which is not evidence in itself. lol, but feel free to think whatever. It doesn't make your speculation true.

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We're getting off-topic here. There is evidence that Wanda could still have her power because she was able to open it while the life force was transferred into Doom. Wanda's lifeforce sounds very similar to phoenix's origin in life, so it would make sense that she can hurt them. There are evidences pointed toward her still having the power as well. You can't just pick and choose which evidence you want to follow. It's possible that she opened the lifeforce again. Like I said before, we are both speculating at this point, just wait for the issue to come out.

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@Redberry said:

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@EmmaGraceFrost said:

why is everyone taking her being back so lightly the avengers think there sh** doesnt stink they claim hope to be a danger (or the phoenix force) however but when Wanda was out of whack it was taken so lightly !

I think Wanda is in control of the lifeforce/chaos magic currently. She also has no reason to go crazy since her children are alive again. Phoenix, on the other hand, has proven that it was not suitable for anyone to control. Everyone goes crazy once they have the power of phoenix.

I don't know about Chaos Magic , but for the Life-Force , I can say a definite "NO" . She is able to hurt the P5(now P4) based on a mysterious connection her energies have with the PF . This discovery was made fairly recently by Tony , and I have already posted the scans in this thread .

At this point, we just have to agree to disagree. I think she could have open the lifeforce after the Children's Crusade since she was able to open it after Doom took her power. The mysterious energy could be the lifeforce, it sounds like it has a connection with phoenix due to the origin in life. The event is almost over. I would just wait to see what AvX reveals before saying she has or doesn't have the life force thing.

Until and unless there is an on-panel revelation that she somehow reacquired the Life-Force energies(even when Children's Crusade tells us otherwise) , that is mere speculation on your part . I go by on-panel evidence , that's what I do . People on this board as well as others , have speculated that the Life-Force IS the Phoenix Force , however until it is revealed on-panel , it is exactly that : speculation .

There is no "mysterious energy" in Tony's explanation , there is a "mysterious connection" which Wanda has to the PF , that amps her hex fields whenever she is in proximity with the P5(now P4) . I thought I made it clear that I had already posted the scan , but it seems you didn't bother to check it out , so I am going to help you :

As I said before , the Witch is little more than the P5/P4's bonafide kryptonite . That's the only role she's going to play in this sh!tty event known as AVX .

Also , in her most recent bout with a P5 member , Wanda got stalemated by Namor :

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/AVX-Zone-016.jpg

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/AVX-Zone-017.jpg

This clearly tells me that if one of these guys goes all-out , Wanda would seem less like the Big Bad anti-Phoenix Wolf that she has been made out to be so far .

lol, that mysterious connection could be the lifeforce. You and I are just speculating what that mysterious power is. You are also speculating what that certain connection could be, so I don't see how you could get off in calling others wrong. Do you somehow have insider information about the event itself? If not, then your speculation is not anymore valid than me or anyone else in the forum who believe that Scarlet still has her lifeforce power. It's not really stalemate when Namor lost the fight and his power while Wanda just lost her conscious while remain okay. I guess that could consider a draw technically. Still, I don't get what that has to do with what we are talking about currently. I have never said Scarlet Witch is better than phoenix 5. She's most likely on par with them on a certain level.

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Because Marvel and DC are business enterprise, they wouldn't want to erase their characters due to old age or death. Nowaday, it's almost impossible to create iconic characters, so if the old characters die, then no one would buy anymore new books putting out by Marvel and DC.

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@Hyper_God said:

@Redberry said:

@EmmaGraceFrost said:

why is everyone taking her being back so lightly the avengers think there sh** doesnt stink they claim hope to be a danger (or the phoenix force) however but when Wanda was out of whack it was taken so lightly !

I think Wanda is in control of the lifeforce/chaos magic currently. She also has no reason to go crazy since her children are alive again. Phoenix, on the other hand, has proven that it was not suitable for anyone to control. Everyone goes crazy once they have the power of phoenix.

I don't know about Chaos Magic , but for the Life-Force , I can say a definite "NO" . She is able to hurt the P5(now P4) based on a mysterious connection her energies have with the PF . This discovery was made fairly recently by Tony , and I have already posted the scans in this thread .

At this point, we just have to agree to disagree. I think she could have open the lifeforce after the Children's Crusade since she was able to open it after Doom took her power. The mysterious energy could be the lifeforce, it sounds like it has a connection with phoenix due to the origin in life. The event is almost over. I would just wait to see what AvX reveals before saying she has or doesn't have the life force thing.

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#10  Edited By Redberry

Those who complain don't even know who Alan Scott is in the first place. They don't read comics, so they really need to shut up about it. I actually like the twist that a leader of a superheroes group is gay. It has never been done before in a mainstream comic.