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#1 Posted by Redberry (797 posts) - - Show Bio

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@Redberry: how am i being aggressive,and that was before you even posted it,i'm sorry if you didn't read that part,and i want to know how one will win,if you get offended or something i'm sorry but that's not my problem,and that was before you posted your comment! i'm not wasting my time here

You called me fanboy for saying that Midnighter can beat Batman, then afterward calling me dense, even though I haven't used any attack toward you yet. I'm not offended because you have an opinion, I just find it ridiculous that you feel the need to get personal and attack people for no reasons. If you are not wasting your time, why are you keep commenting?

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@Redberry: and you never read the statement when i said now i think midnighter can beat batman,are you dense,stop wasting my time please

Seriously, you didn't say that until after I posted my comment. You were making a bunch of pointless posts questioning if Batman can beat Midnighter. You got issues if you feel the need to be this aggressive over a forum post.

#3 Posted by Redberry (797 posts) - - Show Bio

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You choose to speculate based on the scans which is not evidence in itself. lol, but feel free to think whatever. It doesn't make your speculation true.

Those scans are from the very series which introduced the Life-Force explanation . As I said before , I go by the on-panel evidence available at hand , and it clearly shows that the Life-Force is no longer in her possession . Unless an until there is an on-panel revelation that Wanda re-acquired the Life-Force , your opinion means jacksquat .

Considering that you're the sort of person who disregards comic book scans as evidence , you aren't left with a high ground to stand upon . Not that you had any to begin with .

I disregard it because you post misleading scans. Those don't prove she no longer has life force in possession. She lost it to Doom, but she can still open up the life-force, which means that she could still has the life-force. Her ability to affect phoenix could be due to it. Like I said, keep believing whatever you want. It doesn't make it true. lol

Except those aren't misleading at all . She didn't regain the Life-Force in that arc , neither was she shown to reopen the portal(after it left Doom) , because óf the consequences :

She clearly admits that reopening the portal could take her life , and the only reason that didn't happen is because Doom sensed the portal and took it .

Also , she didn't open the portal on her own , she did it with Wiccan's assistance :

As I said before , the current on-panel evidence doesn't support the notion that she regained the Life-Force . Until and unless there is an on-panel revelation that she re-acquired it , your point is moot . Keep dismissing the relevant scans from the very series in which the Life-Force was introduced and extrapolated upon in great detail . That makes you look real smart....not .

All my claims are corroborated by current on-panel evidence . According to your logic that still doesn't make them true . Why am I not surprised by this line of thought from you ?

And why couldn't she open it again with Wiccan's help. I said it's possible that she still has the lifeforce, while you said for certain that she couldn't have her power anymore. I don't get why you need to convince everyone in the forum that Wanda lost her power. Who are you really trying to convince at this point? You based your interpretation on the scans. Those scans themselves don't say that she doesn't have her power currently. Unless you have a scan where it said that she doesn't have the lifeforce power anymore in the AvX then you haven't make any valid points yet. I'm not saying you're wrong, but the way you adamantly believe in it is pretty amusing. I said earlier to just wait till the end of the series, which is almost done. Then, they would reveal her source of power. What's the rush in debating over this when the AvX may pretty much reveal the truth regarding Wanda in the next few issues?

She couldn't because of the price that would be paid for such a magic . She herself admits that . And why would Wiccan agree to assist her just so she can reacquire a power which corrupted her to begin with ? The deeper one goes into this whole business , the more implausible your theory sounds . Here she outright admits that the power corrupted her :

My scans do better than telling . They very clearly show that the power went back to where it originally came from , after it left Doom . That's it .

You're putting words in my mouth . I am not saying that she couldn't have the power anymore , just that the current on-panel evidence indicates otherwise . I have repeatedly implied in my previous posts that an on-panel revelation of her having regained the Life-Force would be convincing , but I guess it flew straight over your head .

You would have a point , if this was a case of purely absence of evidence . However , there is also presence of opposing evidence , which clearly shows that Wanda no longer has the Life-Force , and this remains undeniable fact until and unless the upcoming issues of AVX reveal otherwise .

What exactly have I been doing except for debating this with you for the last 2 pages in this thread ?

You know what? At this point, I just don't care anymore you're just repeating yourself. You keep believing Wanda losing her power. It's pretty pointless in talking about something that's going to be revealed in a few weeks. Keep going around convince people with those scans though. We'll see who's right in a next month or so.

Again , you miss the parts in which I clearly mention that UNTIL AND UNLESS THERE IS AN ON-PANEL REVELATION ABOUT THIS NOTION OF WANDA REACQUIRING THE LIFE-FORCE , AND SINCE THE CURRENT ON-PANEL EVIDENCE DOESN'T SUPPORT SUCH AN IDEA , THEREFORE SHE DOESN'T HAVE IT .

Seriously , what's so hard to grasp here ?

WHAT'S SO HARD TO GRASP THAT IT MAY BE REVEAL IN A FEW WEEKS? Why are you keep going on and on about this? The event is not even finish yet, and the writers are INTENTIONALLY BE AMBIGUOUS about it. CAN'T WE WAIT FOR SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE?

Again , I clearly imply from post to post that a future revelation about this subject would clear things up . And you clearly miss this part repeatedly . The current on-panel evidence available at hand very clearly shows us that the Life-Force went back to the dimension it came from . So , as I said before , many times to boot , until and unless there is an on-panel revelation that tells us that Wanda regained her Life-Force powers back(which is highly unlikely considering her performance against MODOK) , this is mere speculation on your part .

Btw , the only thing that the Children's Crusade was ambiguous about is whether it was Doom or Wanda who depowered the mutants . Nothing else .

I go by the on-panel evidence available at hand unlike you .

Sure you do, you go find on-panel evidence to support your opinion which can be pretty biased. The fact that Wanda can still open it, and Wanda and Wiccan could have open it later on is a possibility. Just because the life force wasn't in Wanda at that time doesn't mean that she doesn't have the lifeforce in AvX.

I have posted the on-panel evidence like , 3 times already . And no this "possibility" of yours clearly goes against character portrayals . Wanda very clearly admits that this power corrupted her . How/why in the heck you think that she would take such a massive risk by reopening the portal with Wiccan's assistance , is beyond me .

As far as AVX goes , her performance against MODOK should be proof enough that she no longer has the kind of power she displayed in HOM . Her performances against the P5/P4 are plot based , due to the aforementioned connection she has to the PF itself .

Why wouldn't she? She saw into a possible future in which all the Avengers were destroyed by phoenix. That should be motivation enough for her to open it. I still don't understand why Wanda can't open the lifeforce AFTER the MODOK's fight. She saw the vision then she took the risk and reopen the portal, so she could use it to stop phoenix.

Except the MODOK fight happened early on in the AVX series , and immediately afterward we see her being escorted by Ms Marvel and Spider-Woman(who also assisted her in that fight) . Also I edited my previous post with this :

How/Why in the heck you think that she would take such a massive risk and go to the trouble of reopening the portal(which requires a literal blood-sacrifice) with Wiccan's assistance , is beyond me .

Please provide scans where its mentioned or alluded to that she reopened the portal , reacquired the LF , for the sole purpose of combating the PF . That's right , you can't , because such a thing never happened . Baseless speculation is baseless speculation .

Yeah, MODOK's fight happened early on in AvX, so? Wanda could open it after seeing the vision. I don't need to provide scans because you stubbornly keep on debating over something I said to wait until we have further information IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS. I was merely provided a speculation based on the information we were given so far. If you can't even wait for a few weeks for the event to reveal Wanda's connection then it's not my problem. It's pointless in talking about an incomplete event.

You don't need to provide scans , because you don't have any scans that prove your point . So far there has been no indication that Wanda regained the Life-Force power . If she did , she would be stomping the P5/P4 left and right , instead of being stalemated by one member .

A future revelation could very well change my ideas regarding the matter , however until then I am steadfast in my current opinion , as it is corroborated by all the on-panel evidence available at hand . Which is more than what I can say for you .

More that what you can say about me what? You were the one who initiate the conversation, and like I said, I don't care. You're the one who keep on talking about this for who know why. Your scans only show that she lost her power during the Children's Crusade. It doesn't disprove that Wanda doesn't have her power in AvX. Like I said, have fun thinking whatever you want, but that doesn't mean it's true. I don't see why you're so obsessed with this single aspect about the event, but I truly no longer care at this point. I'll let you have the last words. I'm out.

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You choose to speculate based on the scans which is not evidence in itself. lol, but feel free to think whatever. It doesn't make your speculation true.

Those scans are from the very series which introduced the Life-Force explanation . As I said before , I go by the on-panel evidence available at hand , and it clearly shows that the Life-Force is no longer in her possession . Unless an until there is an on-panel revelation that Wanda re-acquired the Life-Force , your opinion means jacksquat .

Considering that you're the sort of person who disregards comic book scans as evidence , you aren't left with a high ground to stand upon . Not that you had any to begin with .

I disregard it because you post misleading scans. Those don't prove she no longer has life force in possession. She lost it to Doom, but she can still open up the life-force, which means that she could still has the life-force. Her ability to affect phoenix could be due to it. Like I said, keep believing whatever you want. It doesn't make it true. lol

Except those aren't misleading at all . She didn't regain the Life-Force in that arc , neither was she shown to reopen the portal(after it left Doom) , because óf the consequences :

She clearly admits that reopening the portal could take her life , and the only reason that didn't happen is because Doom sensed the portal and took it .

Also , she didn't open the portal on her own , she did it with Wiccan's assistance :

As I said before , the current on-panel evidence doesn't support the notion that she regained the Life-Force . Until and unless there is an on-panel revelation that she re-acquired it , your point is moot . Keep dismissing the relevant scans from the very series in which the Life-Force was introduced and extrapolated upon in great detail . That makes you look real smart....not .

All my claims are corroborated by current on-panel evidence . According to your logic that still doesn't make them true . Why am I not surprised by this line of thought from you ?

And why couldn't she open it again with Wiccan's help. I said it's possible that she still has the lifeforce, while you said for certain that she couldn't have her power anymore. I don't get why you need to convince everyone in the forum that Wanda lost her power. Who are you really trying to convince at this point? You based your interpretation on the scans. Those scans themselves don't say that she doesn't have her power currently. Unless you have a scan where it said that she doesn't have the lifeforce power anymore in the AvX then you haven't make any valid points yet. I'm not saying you're wrong, but the way you adamantly believe in it is pretty amusing. I said earlier to just wait till the end of the series, which is almost done. Then, they would reveal her source of power. What's the rush in debating over this when the AvX may pretty much reveal the truth regarding Wanda in the next few issues?

She couldn't because of the price that would be paid for such a magic . She herself admits that . And why would Wiccan agree to assist her just so she can reacquire a power which corrupted her to begin with ? The deeper one goes into this whole business , the more implausible your theory sounds . Here she outright admits that the power corrupted her :

My scans do better than telling . They very clearly show that the power went back to where it originally came from , after it left Doom . That's it .

You're putting words in my mouth . I am not saying that she couldn't have the power anymore , just that the current on-panel evidence indicates otherwise . I have repeatedly implied in my previous posts that an on-panel revelation of her having regained the Life-Force would be convincing , but I guess it flew straight over your head .

You would have a point , if this was a case of purely absence of evidence . However , there is also presence of opposing evidence , which clearly shows that Wanda no longer has the Life-Force , and this remains undeniable fact until and unless the upcoming issues of AVX reveal otherwise .

What exactly have I been doing except for debating this with you for the last 2 pages in this thread ?

You know what? At this point, I just don't care anymore you're just repeating yourself. You keep believing Wanda losing her power. It's pretty pointless in talking about something that's going to be revealed in a few weeks. Keep going around convince people with those scans though. We'll see who's right in a next month or so.

Again , you miss the parts in which I clearly mention that UNTIL AND UNLESS THERE IS AN ON-PANEL REVELATION ABOUT THIS NOTION OF WANDA REACQUIRING THE LIFE-FORCE , AND SINCE THE CURRENT ON-PANEL EVIDENCE DOESN'T SUPPORT SUCH AN IDEA , THEREFORE SHE DOESN'T HAVE IT .

Seriously , what's so hard to grasp here ?

WHAT'S SO HARD TO GRASP THAT IT MAY BE REVEAL IN A FEW WEEKS? Why are you keep going on and on about this? The event is not even finish yet, and the writers are INTENTIONALLY BE AMBIGUOUS about it. CAN'T WE WAIT FOR SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE?

Again , I clearly imply from post to post that a future revelation about this subject would clear things up . And you clearly miss this part repeatedly . The current on-panel evidence available at hand very clearly shows us that the Life-Force went back to the dimension it came from . So , as I said before , many times to boot , until and unless there is an on-panel revelation that tells us that Wanda regained her Life-Force powers back(which is highly unlikely considering her performance against MODOK) , this is mere speculation on your part .

Btw , the only thing that the Children's Crusade was ambiguous about is whether it was Doom or Wanda who depowered the mutants . Nothing else .

I go by the on-panel evidence available at hand unlike you .

Sure you do, you go find on-panel evidence to support your opinion which can be pretty biased. The fact that Wanda can still open it, and Wanda and Wiccan could have open it later on is a possibility. Just because the life force wasn't in Wanda at that time doesn't mean that she doesn't have the lifeforce in AvX.

I have posted the on-panel evidence like , 3 times already . And no this "possibility" of yours clearly goes against character portrayals . Wanda very clearly admits that this power corrupted her . How/why in the heck you think that she would take such a massive risk by reopening the portal with Wiccan's assistance , is beyond me .

As far as AVX goes , her performance against MODOK should be proof enough that she no longer has the kind of power she displayed in HOM . Her performances against the P5/P4 are plot based , due to the aforementioned connection she has to the PF itself .

Why wouldn't she? She saw into a possible future in which all the Avengers were destroyed by phoenix. That should be motivation enough for her to open it. I still don't understand why Wanda can't open the lifeforce AFTER the MODOK's fight. She saw the vision then she took the risk and reopen the portal, so she could use it to stop phoenix.

Except the MODOK fight happened early on in the AVX series , and immediately afterward we see her being escorted by Ms Marvel and Spider-Woman(who also assisted her in that fight) . Also I edited my previous post with this :

How/Why in the heck you think that she would take such a massive risk and go to the trouble of reopening the portal(which requires a literal blood-sacrifice) with Wiccan's assistance , is beyond me .

Please provide scans where its mentioned or alluded to that she reopened the portal , reacquired the LF , for the sole purpose of combating the PF . That's right , you can't , because such a thing never happened . Baseless speculation is baseless speculation .

Yeah, MODOK's fight happened early on in AvX, so? Wanda could open it after seeing the vision. I don't need to provide scans because you stubbornly keep on debating over something I said to wait until we have further information IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS. I was merely provided a speculation based on the information we were given so far. If you can't even wait for a few weeks for the event to reveal Wanda's connection then it's not my problem. It's pointless in talking about an incomplete event.

#5 Posted by Redberry (797 posts) - - Show Bio

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You choose to speculate based on the scans which is not evidence in itself. lol, but feel free to think whatever. It doesn't make your speculation true.

Those scans are from the very series which introduced the Life-Force explanation . As I said before , I go by the on-panel evidence available at hand , and it clearly shows that the Life-Force is no longer in her possession . Unless an until there is an on-panel revelation that Wanda re-acquired the Life-Force , your opinion means jacksquat .

Considering that you're the sort of person who disregards comic book scans as evidence , you aren't left with a high ground to stand upon . Not that you had any to begin with .

I disregard it because you post misleading scans. Those don't prove she no longer has life force in possession. She lost it to Doom, but she can still open up the life-force, which means that she could still has the life-force. Her ability to affect phoenix could be due to it. Like I said, keep believing whatever you want. It doesn't make it true. lol

Except those aren't misleading at all . She didn't regain the Life-Force in that arc , neither was she shown to reopen the portal(after it left Doom) , because óf the consequences :

She clearly admits that reopening the portal could take her life , and the only reason that didn't happen is because Doom sensed the portal and took it .

Also , she didn't open the portal on her own , she did it with Wiccan's assistance :

As I said before , the current on-panel evidence doesn't support the notion that she regained the Life-Force . Until and unless there is an on-panel revelation that she re-acquired it , your point is moot . Keep dismissing the relevant scans from the very series in which the Life-Force was introduced and extrapolated upon in great detail . That makes you look real smart....not .

All my claims are corroborated by current on-panel evidence . According to your logic that still doesn't make them true . Why am I not surprised by this line of thought from you ?

And why couldn't she open it again with Wiccan's help. I said it's possible that she still has the lifeforce, while you said for certain that she couldn't have her power anymore. I don't get why you need to convince everyone in the forum that Wanda lost her power. Who are you really trying to convince at this point? You based your interpretation on the scans. Those scans themselves don't say that she doesn't have her power currently. Unless you have a scan where it said that she doesn't have the lifeforce power anymore in the AvX then you haven't make any valid points yet. I'm not saying you're wrong, but the way you adamantly believe in it is pretty amusing. I said earlier to just wait till the end of the series, which is almost done. Then, they would reveal her source of power. What's the rush in debating over this when the AvX may pretty much reveal the truth regarding Wanda in the next few issues?

She couldn't because of the price that would be paid for such a magic . She herself admits that . And why would Wiccan agree to assist her just so she can reacquire a power which corrupted her to begin with ? The deeper one goes into this whole business , the more implausible your theory sounds . Here she outright admits that the power corrupted her :

My scans do better than telling . They very clearly show that the power went back to where it originally came from , after it left Doom . That's it .

You're putting words in my mouth . I am not saying that she couldn't have the power anymore , just that the current on-panel evidence indicates otherwise . I have repeatedly implied in my previous posts that an on-panel revelation of her having regained the Life-Force would be convincing , but I guess it flew straight over your head .

You would have a point , if this was a case of purely absence of evidence . However , there is also presence of opposing evidence , which clearly shows that Wanda no longer has the Life-Force , and this remains undeniable fact until and unless the upcoming issues of AVX reveal otherwise .

What exactly have I been doing except for debating this with you for the last 2 pages in this thread ?

You know what? At this point, I just don't care anymore you're just repeating yourself. You keep believing Wanda losing her power. It's pretty pointless in talking about something that's going to be revealed in a few weeks. Keep going around convince people with those scans though. We'll see who's right in a next month or so.

Again , you miss the parts in which I clearly mention that UNTIL AND UNLESS THERE IS AN ON-PANEL REVELATION ABOUT THIS NOTION OF WANDA REACQUIRING THE LIFE-FORCE , AND SINCE THE CURRENT ON-PANEL EVIDENCE DOESN'T SUPPORT SUCH AN IDEA , THEREFORE SHE DOESN'T HAVE IT .

Seriously , what's so hard to grasp here ?

WHAT'S SO HARD TO GRASP THAT IT MAY BE REVEAL IN A FEW WEEKS? Why are you keep going on and on about this? The event is not even finish yet, and the writers are INTENTIONALLY BE AMBIGUOUS about it. CAN'T WE WAIT FOR SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE?

Again , I clearly imply from post to post that a future revelation about this subject would clear things up . And you clearly miss this part repeatedly . The current on-panel evidence available at hand very clearly shows us that the Life-Force went back to the dimension it came from . So , as I said before , many times to boot , until and unless there is an on-panel revelation that tells us that Wanda regained her Life-Force powers back(which is highly unlikely considering her performance against MODOK) , this is mere speculation on your part .

Btw , the only thing that the Children's Crusade was ambiguous about is whether it was Doom or Wanda who depowered the mutants . Nothing else .

I go by the on-panel evidence available at hand unlike you .

Sure you do, you go find on-panel evidence to support your opinion which can be pretty biased. The fact that Wanda can still open it, and Wanda and Wiccan could have open it later on is a possibility. Just because the life force wasn't in Wanda at that time doesn't mean that she doesn't have the lifeforce in AvX.

I have posted the on-panel evidence like , 3 times already . And no this "possibility" of yours clearly goes against character portrayals . Wanda very clearly admits that this power corrupted her . How/why in the heck you think that she would take such a massive risk by reopening the portal with Wiccan's assistance , is beyond me .

As far as AVX goes , her performance against MODOK should be proof enough that she no longer has the kind of power she displayed in HOM . Her performances against the P5/P4 are plot based , due to the aforementioned connection she has to the PF itself .

Why wouldn't she? She saw into a possible future in which all the Avengers were destroyed by phoenix. That should be motivation enough for her to open it. I still don't understand why Wanda can't open the lifeforce AFTER the MODOK's fight. She saw the vision then she took the risk and reopen the portal, so she could use it to stop phoenix.

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Did they draw it with a potato? The art looks so amateurish.

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You choose to speculate based on the scans which is not evidence in itself. lol, but feel free to think whatever. It doesn't make your speculation true.

Those scans are from the very series which introduced the Life-Force explanation . As I said before , I go by the on-panel evidence available at hand , and it clearly shows that the Life-Force is no longer in her possession . Unless an until there is an on-panel revelation that Wanda re-acquired the Life-Force , your opinion means jacksquat .

Considering that you're the sort of person who disregards comic book scans as evidence , you aren't left with a high ground to stand upon . Not that you had any to begin with .

I disregard it because you post misleading scans. Those don't prove she no longer has life force in possession. She lost it to Doom, but she can still open up the life-force, which means that she could still has the life-force. Her ability to affect phoenix could be due to it. Like I said, keep believing whatever you want. It doesn't make it true. lol

Except those aren't misleading at all . She didn't regain the Life-Force in that arc , neither was she shown to reopen the portal(after it left Doom) , because óf the consequences :

She clearly admits that reopening the portal could take her life , and the only reason that didn't happen is because Doom sensed the portal and took it .

Also , she didn't open the portal on her own , she did it with Wiccan's assistance :

As I said before , the current on-panel evidence doesn't support the notion that she regained the Life-Force . Until and unless there is an on-panel revelation that she re-acquired it , your point is moot . Keep dismissing the relevant scans from the very series in which the Life-Force was introduced and extrapolated upon in great detail . That makes you look real smart....not .

All my claims are corroborated by current on-panel evidence . According to your logic that still doesn't make them true . Why am I not surprised by this line of thought from you ?

And why couldn't she open it again with Wiccan's help. I said it's possible that she still has the lifeforce, while you said for certain that she couldn't have her power anymore. I don't get why you need to convince everyone in the forum that Wanda lost her power. Who are you really trying to convince at this point? You based your interpretation on the scans. Those scans themselves don't say that she doesn't have her power currently. Unless you have a scan where it said that she doesn't have the lifeforce power anymore in the AvX then you haven't make any valid points yet. I'm not saying you're wrong, but the way you adamantly believe in it is pretty amusing. I said earlier to just wait till the end of the series, which is almost done. Then, they would reveal her source of power. What's the rush in debating over this when the AvX may pretty much reveal the truth regarding Wanda in the next few issues?

She couldn't because of the price that would be paid for such a magic . She herself admits that . And why would Wiccan agree to assist her just so she can reacquire a power which corrupted her to begin with ? The deeper one goes into this whole business , the more implausible your theory sounds . Here she outright admits that the power corrupted her :

My scans do better than telling . They very clearly show that the power went back to where it originally came from , after it left Doom . That's it .

You're putting words in my mouth . I am not saying that she couldn't have the power anymore , just that the current on-panel evidence indicates otherwise . I have repeatedly implied in my previous posts that an on-panel revelation of her having regained the Life-Force would be convincing , but I guess it flew straight over your head .

You would have a point , if this was a case of purely absence of evidence . However , there is also presence of opposing evidence , which clearly shows that Wanda no longer has the Life-Force , and this remains undeniable fact until and unless the upcoming issues of AVX reveal otherwise .

What exactly have I been doing except for debating this with you for the last 2 pages in this thread ?

You know what? At this point, I just don't care anymore you're just repeating yourself. You keep believing Wanda losing her power. It's pretty pointless in talking about something that's going to be revealed in a few weeks. Keep going around convince people with those scans though. We'll see who's right in a next month or so.

Again , you miss the parts in which I clearly mention that UNTIL AND UNLESS THERE IS AN ON-PANEL REVELATION ABOUT THIS NOTION OF WANDA REACQUIRING THE LIFE-FORCE , AND SINCE THE CURRENT ON-PANEL EVIDENCE DOESN'T SUPPORT SUCH AN IDEA , THEREFORE SHE DOESN'T HAVE IT .

Seriously , what's so hard to grasp here ?

WHAT'S SO HARD TO GRASP THAT IT MAY BE REVEAL IN A FEW WEEKS? Why are you keep going on and on about this? The event is not even finish yet, and the writers are INTENTIONALLY BE AMBIGUOUS about it. CAN'T WE WAIT FOR SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE?

Again , I clearly imply from post to post that a future revelation about this subject would clear things up . And you clearly miss this part repeatedly . The current on-panel evidence available at hand very clearly shows us that the Life-Force went back to the dimension it came from . So , as I said before , many times to boot , until and unless there is an on-panel revelation that tells us that Wanda regained her Life-Force powers back(which is highly unlikely considering her performance against MODOK) , this is mere speculation on your part .

Btw , the only thing that the Children's Crusade was ambiguous about is whether it was Doom or Wanda who depowered the mutants . Nothing else .

I go by the on-panel evidence available at hand unlike you .

Sure you do, you go find on-panel evidence to support your opinion which can be pretty biased. The fact that Wanda can still open it, and Wanda and Wiccan could have open it later on is a possibility. Just because the life force wasn't in Wanda at that time doesn't mean that she doesn't have the lifeforce in AvX.

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You choose to speculate based on the scans which is not evidence in itself. lol, but feel free to think whatever. It doesn't make your speculation true.

Those scans are from the very series which introduced the Life-Force explanation . As I said before , I go by the on-panel evidence available at hand , and it clearly shows that the Life-Force is no longer in her possession . Unless an until there is an on-panel revelation that Wanda re-acquired the Life-Force , your opinion means jacksquat .

Considering that you're the sort of person who disregards comic book scans as evidence , you aren't left with a high ground to stand upon . Not that you had any to begin with .

I disregard it because you post misleading scans. Those don't prove she no longer has life force in possession. She lost it to Doom, but she can still open up the life-force, which means that she could still has the life-force. Her ability to affect phoenix could be due to it. Like I said, keep believing whatever you want. It doesn't make it true. lol

Except those aren't misleading at all . She didn't regain the Life-Force in that arc , neither was she shown to reopen the portal(after it left Doom) , because óf the consequences :

She clearly admits that reopening the portal could take her life , and the only reason that didn't happen is because Doom sensed the portal and took it .

Also , she didn't open the portal on her own , she did it with Wiccan's assistance :

As I said before , the current on-panel evidence doesn't support the notion that she regained the Life-Force . Until and unless there is an on-panel revelation that she re-acquired it , your point is moot . Keep dismissing the relevant scans from the very series in which the Life-Force was introduced and extrapolated upon in great detail . That makes you look real smart....not .

All my claims are corroborated by current on-panel evidence . According to your logic that still doesn't make them true . Why am I not surprised by this line of thought from you ?

And why couldn't she open it again with Wiccan's help. I said it's possible that she still has the lifeforce, while you said for certain that she couldn't have her power anymore. I don't get why you need to convince everyone in the forum that Wanda lost her power. Who are you really trying to convince at this point? You based your interpretation on the scans. Those scans themselves don't say that she doesn't have her power currently. Unless you have a scan where it said that she doesn't have the lifeforce power anymore in the AvX then you haven't make any valid points yet. I'm not saying you're wrong, but the way you adamantly believe in it is pretty amusing. I said earlier to just wait till the end of the series, which is almost done. Then, they would reveal her source of power. What's the rush in debating over this when the AvX may pretty much reveal the truth regarding Wanda in the next few issues?

She couldn't because of the price that would be paid for such a magic . She herself admits that . And why would Wiccan agree to assist her just so she can reacquire a power which corrupted her to begin with ? The deeper one goes into this whole business , the more implausible your theory sounds . Here she outright admits that the power corrupted her :

My scans do better than telling . They very clearly show that the power went back to where it originally came from , after it left Doom . That's it .

You're putting words in my mouth . I am not saying that she couldn't have the power anymore , just that the current on-panel evidence indicates otherwise . I have repeatedly implied in my previous posts that an on-panel revelation of her having regained the Life-Force would be convincing , but I guess it flew straight over your head .

You would have a point , if this was a case of purely absence of evidence . However , there is also presence of opposing evidence , which clearly shows that Wanda no longer has the Life-Force , and this remains undeniable fact until and unless the upcoming issues of AVX reveal otherwise .

What exactly have I been doing except for debating this with you for the last 2 pages in this thread ?

You know what? At this point, I just don't care anymore you're just repeating yourself. You keep believing Wanda losing her power. It's pretty pointless in talking about something that's going to be revealed in a few weeks. Keep going around convince people with those scans though. We'll see who's right in a next month or so.

Again , you miss the parts in which I clearly mention that UNTIL AND UNLESS THERE IS AN ON-PANEL REVELATION ABOUT THIS NOTION OF WANDA REACQUIRING THE LIFE-FORCE , AND SINCE THE CURRENT ON-PANEL EVIDENCE DOESN'T SUPPORT SUCH AN IDEA , THEREFORE SHE DOESN'T HAVE IT .

Seriously , what's so hard to grasp here ?

WHAT'S SO HARD TO GRASP THAT IT MAY BE REVEAL IN A FEW WEEKS? THEY COULD REVEAL ON-PANEL WHAT'S SCARLET WITCH'S CONNECTION IN WHICH YOU KEEP GOING ON ABOUT. IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE THE LIFE FORCE, BUT IT WILL BE REVEAL. Why are you keep going on and on about interpreting what Wanda's power is? The event is not even finish yet, and the writers are INTENTIONALLY BE AMBIGUOUS about it. CAN'T WE WAIT FOR SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE?

#9 Edited by Redberry (797 posts) - - Show Bio

@Hyper_God said:

@Redberry said:

@Hyper_God said:

@Redberry said:

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@Redberry said:

You choose to speculate based on the scans which is not evidence in itself. lol, but feel free to think whatever. It doesn't make your speculation true.

Those scans are from the very series which introduced the Life-Force explanation . As I said before , I go by the on-panel evidence available at hand , and it clearly shows that the Life-Force is no longer in her possession . Unless an until there is an on-panel revelation that Wanda re-acquired the Life-Force , your opinion means jacksquat .

Considering that you're the sort of person who disregards comic book scans as evidence , you aren't left with a high ground to stand upon . Not that you had any to begin with .

I disregard it because you post misleading scans. Those don't prove she no longer has life force in possession. She lost it to Doom, but she can still open up the life-force, which means that she could still has the life-force. Her ability to affect phoenix could be due to it. Like I said, keep believing whatever you want. It doesn't make it true. lol

Except those aren't misleading at all . She didn't regain the Life-Force in that arc , neither was she shown to reopen the portal(after it left Doom) , because óf the consequences :

She clearly admits that reopening the portal could take her life , and the only reason that didn't happen is because Doom sensed the portal and took it .

Also , she didn't open the portal on her own , she did it with Wiccan's assistance :

As I said before , the current on-panel evidence doesn't support the notion that she regained the Life-Force . Until and unless there is an on-panel revelation that she re-acquired it , your point is moot . Keep dismissing the relevant scans from the very series in which the Life-Force was introduced and extrapolated upon in great detail . That makes you look real smart....not .

All my claims are corroborated by current on-panel evidence . According to your logic that still doesn't make them true . Why am I not surprised by this line of thought from you ?

And why couldn't she open it again with Wiccan's help. I said it's possible that she still has the lifeforce, while you said for certain that she couldn't have her power anymore. I don't get why you need to convince everyone in the forum that Wanda lost her power. Who are you really trying to convince at this point? You based your interpretation on the scans. Those scans themselves don't say that she doesn't have her power currently. Unless you have a scan where it said that she doesn't have the lifeforce power anymore in the AvX then you haven't make any valid points yet. I'm not saying you're wrong, but the way you adamantly believe in it is pretty amusing. I said earlier to just wait till the end of the series, which is almost done. Then, they would reveal her source of power. What's the rush in debating over this when the AvX may pretty much reveal the truth regarding Wanda in the next few issues?

She couldn't because of the price that would be paid for such a magic . She herself admits that . And why would Wiccan agree to assist her just so she can reacquire a power which corrupted her to begin with ? The deeper one goes into this whole business , the more implausible your theory sounds . Here she outright admits that the power corrupted her :

My scans do better than telling . They very clearly show that the power went back to where it originally came from , after it left Doom . That's it .

You're putting words in my mouth . I am not saying that she couldn't have the power anymore , just that the current on-panel evidence indicates otherwise . I have repeatedly implied in my previous posts that an on-panel revelation of her having regained the Life-Force would be convincing , but I guess it flew straight over your head .

You would have a point , if this was a case of purely absence of evidence . However , there is also presence of opposing evidence , which clearly shows that Wanda no longer has the Life-Force , and this remains undeniable fact until and unless the upcoming issues of AVX reveal otherwise .

What exactly have I been doing except for debating this with you for the last 2 pages in this thread ?

You know what? At this point, I just don't care anymore, the argument seems to keep repeating itself. We are not gonna be able to change anyone's mind. You keep believing Wanda losing her power. The connection could be interpreted as the life force, but if you don't consider that to be a possibility then there's nothing I can do. It's pretty pointless in talking about something that's going to be revealed in a few weeks. Keep going around convince people with those scans though. We'll see who's right in a next month or so.

#10 Edited by Redberry (797 posts) - - Show Bio

@Hyper_God said:

@Redberry said:

@Hyper_God said:

@Redberry said:

You choose to speculate based on the scans which is not evidence in itself. lol, but feel free to think whatever. It doesn't make your speculation true.

Those scans are from the very series which introduced the Life-Force explanation . As I said before , I go by the on-panel evidence available at hand , and it clearly shows that the Life-Force is no longer in her possession . Unless an until there is an on-panel revelation that Wanda re-acquired the Life-Force , your opinion means jacksquat .

Considering that you're the sort of person who disregards comic book scans as evidence , you aren't left with a high ground to stand upon . Not that you had any to begin with .

I disregard it because you post misleading scans. Those don't prove she no longer has life force in possession. She lost it to Doom, but she can still open up the life-force, which means that she could still has the life-force. Her ability to affect phoenix could be due to it. Like I said, keep believing whatever you want. It doesn't make it true. lol

Except those aren't misleading at all . She didn't regain the Life-Force in that arc , neither was she shown to reopen the portal(after it left Doom) , because óf the consequences :

She clearly admits that reopening the portal could take her life , and the only reason that didn't happen is because Doom sensed the portal and took it .

Also , she didn't open the portal on her own , she did it with Wiccan's assistance :

As I said before , the current on-panel evidence doesn't support the notion that she regained the Life-Force . Until and unless there is an on-panel revelation that she re-acquired it , your point is moot . Keep dismissing the relevant scans from the very series in which the Life-Force was introduced and extrapolated upon in great detail . That makes you look real smart....not .

All my claims are corroborated by current on-panel evidence . According to your logic that still doesn't make them true . Why am I not surprised by this line of thought from you ?

And why couldn't she open it again with Wiccan's help. I said it's possible that she still has the lifeforce, while you said for certain that she couldn't have her power anymore. I don't get why you need to convince everyone in the forum that Wanda lost her power. Who are you really trying to convince at this point? You based your interpretation on the scans. Those scans themselves don't say that she doesn't have her power currently. Unless you have a scan where it said that she doesn't have the lifeforce power anymore in the AvX then you haven't make any valid points yet. I'm not saying you're wrong, but the way you adamantly believe in it is pretty amusing. I said earlier to just wait till the end of the series, which is almost done. Then, they would reveal her source of power. What's the rush in debating over this when the AvX may pretty much reveal the truth regarding Wanda in the next few issues?