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Is it bad that I wish there was a comic on this?

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Difficult. I mean, H'el's got some crazy feats, being able to fight Superboy and Supergirl at once (and at different points in the timeline), then still having enough power to go up against Superman (though he got pretty badly beaten).

However, Thor, particularly during Marvel NOW, is pulling off feats that would make Superman envious (planet smashing, planet repairing, fighting inside a sun... I could go on). He's probably stronger than New 52 Superman, not ridiculously so, but stronger. He's probably close to H'el's raw physical strength, and he's dealt with extremely powerful psychics (Rachel Grey, for instance) before. And then there's the magic advantage.

H'el's real advantage over Superman was range, the same advantage that Thor has, because he has ridiculously powerful ranged attacks, such as the Godblast.

A week of prep would give Thor time to consult psychics like Emma Frost and genii like Tony Stark, allowing him to construct defences against H'el's psychic abilities. It would also give him time to assess H'el and take him seriously, meaning that he could bust out his combat skills, which H'el cannot hold a candle too.

H'el's advantage is speed. But Thor is more than capable of tagging speedsters. Loki, Gladiator, Hyperion and Siege era Quicksilver (who was outrunning radio waves, making him FTL), he's tagged and beaten them all.

Thor takes this 7/10.

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@serrure said:

@fiendish said:

Doesn't Orion have a weakness to Radion the Surfer can exploit?

i think you might be thinking of Gladiator... and that Radiation has never been shown to work to my best knowledge

No, Radion. It's some element that New Gods are vulnerable to, like their version of Kryptonite. It's been used a few times, I think its even what Batman shot Darkseid with when he "died". That said, there's no way SS would even know about it, or even think such a weakness existed.

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H'el. Too powerful, too versatile. Aside from the weird plot attack near the end of Krypton returns, nothing was ever able to even harm H'el aside from Kryptonite. And even then, being impaled with it didn't take him out.

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Preferably by snapping his neck

Nah, that'd take away from the moment of Batman letting innocents die instead of killing Joker

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You know, it's not the end of the world if Batman isn't portrayed as infallible

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Dark... gritty... people keep using those words. I do not think they mean what they think they mean.

DC movies are not so much dark as they are serious-toned and opposed to being humor-filled with a comedic-toned. Serious =/= dark. A dark genre is a movie that carries a tone which is gloomy, dismal, pessimistic or negative. A serious genre is a movie that is mature, grounded (in a relative sense), sober or moderate. They are not the same, and people need to stop throwing the words "dark" and "gritty" around every time they notice a lack of wisecracks.

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Nope, when you die, you're dead. That's why it's called death.

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#9  Edited By reactor

@jayc1324 said:

@lvenger: true. I just like characters that are a real physical threat to Superman, like H'el and Darkseid and Wraith. I was disappointed when superman ripped doomsday in half too.

The way I view it is that comparative strength and durability is at a greater scale with superhuman beings than with humans. With normal folks, we can't punch through each other or rip each other apart by sheer tensive strength, but the same rule or standards would not apply to folks that have strength in the multi-megaton range. Invincible relays this really well with the Viltrumites. They're all super strong and invulnerable, but can still punch through one another, rip each other's heads off, tear off limbs or punch through each others guts.

It didn't mean they weren't insanely and superhumanly durable - they were - just that the scaling of strength was simply not relative to human terms. I have zero doubt in my mind that Doomsday could have done the same thing to Supes (being animalistic in nature, I doubt he really would have thought about it), and that Doomsday got ripped in half does nothing negative to my impression of him as a powerful character.

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