My Eyes Are Up Here

 

 Interestingly enough this same phrase showed up twice this month in comics.  I don’t have much to say about the application of the phrase itself.  In the one case Charlotte Rivers is saying it to a man she is trying to seduce which makes little sense.  In the other case Cassandra is saying it to Tim when he quite clearly wasn’t looking at her breasts (in which case if it were me I would be prone to apologize.)  What I really think is worth saying about this though is that it has more or less achieved the status of a cliché.  A few months ago when the female fans of comics were trying to make it known that there should be more females among the creative teams at DC and for comics in general, this is a case of what they were talking about (or at least this is what I was talking about.)  Having only male writers means that women are often written without any real personality, rather just exemplifying clichéd stereotypes.  I think they can do better. 

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Edited by thehummingbird

All this comment does is bring more attention to the female comic characters breasts. It is just another way of putting fan-service in comics and the writers/artists saying, "look at all the great fan-service in this issue..lets make sure everyone notices?" and adds this line so even readers who would not normally be prone to noticing such reading the issue and taking note of the overly exaggerated figures are forced to.

Posted by Shadow_Thief

I love the exchange from MUA between Deadpool and Black Widow that starts out following that pattern, and then it turns out he was talking about her teeth.

Posted by Baddamdog

I don't mind it, but I didn't like it when Cassie said it, she's just a kid man

Posted by RazzaTazz
@thehummingbird: Good point
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Posted by Jonny_Anonymous

I always wondered why females complain about this

Edited by Dernman

Honestly it didn't bring my attention to Cassie's breasts at all. It did bring my attention to those arms though they are ripped and I thought it was a nice change of pace from the normal physically strong females that look like twigs that can break if they got hit to hard.

Posted by LightBright

I found it actually really weird when Cassie said it. I almost felt like she was saying to embarrass Tim or something, but it didn't really come across. As a character it makes her seem like she's had problems with guys before and expects the worst from them. But like the OP said, it would be a normal reaction for her to apologize for her assumptions. This makes her seem like less of a strong female and more of a presumptuous one is utterly sexist in her own right. It's like it was written just to jazz up some sense of romantic tension between the two. In any case it's a weak line overall and I'd like to see less of it in all mediums. It's cliche and never serves to create a real character. 

Posted by TheCrowbar
@RazzaTazz:  Why would I want to look at your eyes?
 
You know some cultures it's insulting... *goes back to oogling*
Posted by RazzaTazz
@TheCrowbar: my point was more like I wanted to say that it is kind of poor writing of women
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Posted by TheCrowbar
@RazzaTazz said:
@TheCrowbar: my point was more like I wanted to say that it is kind of poor writing of women
I go into a five minute rant about it in my next video project. I was being whimsical.
Posted by RazzaTazz
@TheCrowbar: I like whimsy
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Posted by BlackArmor

don't really get the complaint but i don't get alot of things....i'm dumb
Edited by fodigg

@thehummingbird said:

All this comment does is bring more attention to the female comic characters breasts. It is just another way of putting fan-service in comics and the writers/artists saying, "look at all the great fan-service in this issue..lets make sure everyone notices?" and adds this line so even readers who would not normally be prone to noticing such reading the issue and taking note of the overly exaggerated figures are forced to.

Yes and no. Look at Wonder Girl's art. You can't even really see the items in question and she's drawn with very strong looking arms. I like the art there.

I think the line is cliche, and you're probably onto something generally, but in her case I think it was acceptable.

Edit: Then again, that might have been the artist's choice and not the writer's choice. One artist makes Lobdell look good, the other really, really bad.

Posted by Daveyo520

It is a super cliche.

Posted by RazzaTazz
@Daveyo520: Indeed it is
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Edited by Daveyo520

@RazzaTazz: Even has a TV Trope page. I like how the example is from a DC comic.

Posted by TheWitchingHour

@Shadow_Thief said:

I love the exchange from MUA between Deadpool and Black Widow that starts out following that pattern, and then it turns out he was talking about her teeth.

Haven't seen that but it sounds like I would love it too :)

Posted by RazzaTazz
@Daveyo520 said:

@RazzaTazz: Even has a TV Trope page. I like how the example is from a DC comic.

I cede to your greater knowledge on the matter
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Posted by Daveyo520

@RazzaTazz: Didn't we both have the knowledge? lol, there was nothing to cede to. Just showing. I always hate when they say that line, just ugh.

Posted by TheWitchingHour

As for the OP, these are both cases of pretty weak writing. Now while I don't know the exact context of the two particular scenes displayed I can guess there isn't much to draw from either of them. I'm not opposed to sexy female characters and verbal depictions of those sexy female characters, just like I'm not opposed to sexy male characters and the verbal depiction of their sexiness. But I can't stand it when sex does not contribute to the story or characters as a whole and only serves to be detrimental to our collective appreciation of comics. The writers have to be able to distinguish between sex for sex's sake and sex for art's sake.

Posted by Dernman

I don't know for me I think sex for sex sake is can be ok with certain people.

I don't always need love and I certainly never done it for art reasons. :p

Posted by .Mistress Redhead.

I kinda like it as a cliche, sorry Razz.. but I think its kinda fun the way they make it all kinda sexy but not sleazy.

Posted by Aiden Cross

If women wear tight shirts and/or cleavage, a man is going to look. Call me sexist if you like, it's the simple truth for most men.

Just like most women will watch when there's a hot guy walking by with tight jeans. It's human nature.

Now, there is a difference between staring and giving a look. I'll give you that. But i don't see anything wrong with the sentence, it's being used in all kinds of media. Is it cliché? Sure. But cliché can be fun, just like an action movie where there a hundreds of guns being fired and the hero never gets hit. Don't take it so seriously.

It's the same as the phrase, 'is there a ..... in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?'. I'm a guy, i don't feel objectified by that remark.

Posted by RazzaTazz
@.Mistress Redhead.: No need to apologize, I write to create discussion :)  I don't really mind it that much either, I think it is more telling of bad writing for women, because something more witty could be used I think
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Posted by .Mistress Redhead.

@RazzaTazz said:

@.Mistress Redhead.: No need to apologize, I write to create discussion :) I don't really mind it that much either, I think it is more telling of bad writing for women, because something more witty could be used I think

I agree the writers could come up with some wittier ways of doing it, but they are just drawing attention... Cassandra does disturb me though.. how old is she meant to be now? lol

Posted by azza04

@RazzaTazz: I agree completely, it makes me cringe when i read that line. It seems to be written by guys that assume that is how women react to being looked at, when in reality I think as long as it's just an appreciative glance and not some guy standing their staring with his tounge hanging out, the women might be a bit flattered or just indifferent to the attention. I have never once heard a women say that line in real life, only in films, tv, comics, etc.

Posted by RazzaTazz
@.Mistress Redhead.: I would say 17 or 18
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Posted by TheCrowbar

Wait women have eyes?!? Since when? I've never seen them

Sorry I'll just shut up now.

Posted by .Mistress Redhead.

@RazzaTazz said:

@.Mistress Redhead.: I would say 17 or 18

bit young...

@TheCrowbar said:

Wait women have eyes?!? Since when? I've never seen them

Sorry I'll just shut up now.

You need to stop looking at our toes babe!

Posted by RazzaTazz
@.Mistress Redhead. said:

@RazzaTazz said:

@.Mistress Redhead.: I would say 17 or 18

bit young...


I would say in terms of the entire panel, that her statement afterwards is worse, that a 17 or 18 year old would have to tell that her breasts are real, but I guess it is a sad fact of the world we live in.
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Posted by TheCrowbar
@.Mistress Redhead.:  If you're going to spend that much for a pedicure it better get cable!
Posted by spaceboy
@spiderbat87 said:
I always wondered why females complain about this
I don't.  It's objectification cranked up at eleven. In fact staring in general is rude..
 
@RazzaTazz said:
@TheCrowbar: my point was more like I wanted to say that it is kind of poor writing of women
Female writers like that trope, too...
Posted by .Mistress Redhead.

@TheCrowbar said:

@.Mistress Redhead.: If you're going to spend that much for a pedicure it better get cable!

Pedicures are not cheap...

Posted by TheCrowbar
@.Mistress Redhead. said:

@TheCrowbar said:

@.Mistress Redhead.: If you're going to spend that much for a pedicure it better get cable!

Pedicures are not cheap...

I know! But women keep telling me to look at their eyes! Did they get an eye-dicur? NO!! Making men look at the cheap stuff while they hide the expensive goods!
Posted by EdBlank

Women who expose their breats shouldn't complain when men look. Wear a sweatshirt and a sports bra and *poof* problem solved. If I was walking around exposing my scrotum (not the whole thing just the very bottom of it) I think people would look.

Posted by KainScion

@EdBlank said:

Women who expose their breats shouldn't complain when men look. Wear a sweatshirt and a sports bra and *poof* problem solved. If I was walking around exposing my scrotum (not the whole thing just the very bottom of it) I think people would look.

could NOT have said it better. BUMP!

you aint gonna see a man with a nut hanging out.

Posted by jordama
Posted by flighthazard

I never understood this, in real life if a woman catches you staring at her breasts it likely gets you slapped ask my little bro! :P

Posted by ntb1124

Lets be honest though, as many times as we do look it is a surprise that we do not hear this more in real life, but yeah it is the artists lame attempt at Levity....and they both had the clever idea the same month...

Edited by difficlus

I think its pretty funny in the actual comics though.

Posted by RazzaTazz
@difficlus: This is a pretty common occurrence as a joke within pop culture
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Posted by blackwolf0925

My thoughts when I saw the header.