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Black Superheroine Bling

   Using years of fashion experience I can say this conclusively – large ornate jewelry usually looks a lot better on black women.   This isn’t always the case though.   For instance Halle Berry ’s porcelain doll like features don’t lend themselves very well to large earrings, whereas Beyonce’s features do: 

   

 
 


       

 
 


To say it looks better is not to say that such large earrings can’t look good on different on women with different skin tones:
 

 
 



 

 
 

    

In the past I have blogged about the impracticalities of wearing large hoop earrings as a superheroine.   In short they would fall out all the time after getting caught on stuff.   What struck me as strange this morning when I was looking at a picture of Jet (an obscure DC hero) is that she is sporting a pair as Vixen is prone to do as well.   For me its kind of strange out of all the superheroines in the DCU that two of the only black superheroines wear excessively large earrings, whereas none of the white characters do.   In fact only one other character comes to mind for wearing earrings at all, and that’s Wonder Woman.   I guess this comes down to the same thing – artists choosing something which might look cool over something which is more accurate.   Also has anyone ever noticed that most black female characters are usually drawn white?   By this I mean that they may have the darker skin tone but the rest of their features are more Caucasian.     
  

 
 



   

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@Osiris1428:  

Tragic mulatto-  Halle Berry comes to mind.  

Halle Berry considers herself a fully realized Black woman,She acknowledges that she is mixed,but for most part asserts herself as just..black 
 
Tiger..that's a whole nother card.He claims Asian,White,but he doesn't want to be black..lol poor baby,so confused. 
 
 
A "Tragic Mulatto" would be 
   Mariah Carey 
 
 
She constantly had problems with her  race while growing up,and she really didn't start speaking very openly about it till recently.She comes to terms with being mixed and she claims herself as such.but sometimes she says she is just "black" like she did on the Lopez show. 
 
BTW Another favorite singer and role model of mine.  
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@Osiris1428 said:

I went online to find more of Simone Bianchi's art, and there were some disturbing, or at least controversial things I found. I a lot of people were saying how Storm looks like either a transgendered person, or a drag queen, and thus why she has such a big LGBT following. But it also still falls into that whole, "black features on women are too masculine therefore black women aren't that attractive" way of thinking.     "

What, really? I mean Bianchi's Storm is kind of manly IMO but most deceptions of Storm she's intended to be gorgeous and to me by character art standards she does.I never heard that Black features on a woman was masculine before. 
 
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"   Sorry if I went overboard. 
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  Sorry if I went overboard.
 
I went online to find more of Simone Bianchi's art, and there were some disturbing, or at least controversial things I found. I a lot of people were saying how Storm looks like either a transgendered person, or a drag queen, and thus why she has such a big LGBT following. But it also still falls into that whole, "black features on women are too masculine therefore black women aren't that attractive" way of thinking.    
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" What are "traditional black features"? Beyonce' has width to her nose, full lips. High cheek bones...yeah, I think we already covered that. 
 
   And the term "mulatto" has different definitions and contains different connotations. It could just mean someone of european and african decent. It also can be defined as  :  "in  colonial Latin America, Spanish/African who were denied basic political, economic, and social rights due to their mixed heritage." It reminds some of racial oppression and a cast system meant to be set up of "who is more white will be aright" kind of mentality . "Willie Lynch-ism", if you will. For some, the term is derogatory, because of it's history and origin. There are those who would tell you that "mulatto" comes from the word "mule": " The etymology of the term is uncertain. It may derive from the Portuguese and Spanish word mulato, which is itself derived from mula (from Old Spanish, from Latinmūlus), meaning mule, the hybrid offspring of a horse and a donkey. "-from Wiki 
 
Not pleasant so far. 
 
There is also the term, "tragic mulatto" that most black women don't want to be associated with.  " The Tragic mulatto is a stereotypical fictional character that appeared in American literature during the 19th and 20th centuries. The "tragic mulatto" is an archetypical mixed race person (a "mulatto"), who is assumed to be sad or even suicidal because he/she fails to completely fit in the "white world" or the "black world". As such, the "tragic mulatto" is depicted as the victim of the society he/she lives in, a society divided by race. They cannot be classified as one who is completely "black" or "white". "-also from wiki.  


Some feel that if you are going to use the term, "mulatto", why don't just go all the way back to the days where we tried oh so hard to pin-point and articulate just how far removed from being black, or how close to being white, or anything else other than what we are. BS like Mestizo, Quadroon, or Octoroon. How about Quintroon, and Hexadecaroon? Or any other number of utter foolishness we can come up with to show how much we hate being black.  "You know I got good hair 'cuase I'm part Cherokee..." 

Why does everyone have to try and play the educator? You could have posted a link..I can read not that what wiki says is going to change anything.Where I come from we use the term mullato to describe someone who has a black and a white parent.What other people would call biracial.Just because other people have used it negatively doesn't mean that's what I am doing."Some" can feel anyway they want to but when I am using a word in a way that isn't intended to be harmful and you're taking it how you want so you can be offended..I feel no obligation to care.I don't know what you mean by "we" but I don't come up with things to show how much I hate being black because that would be the opposite of my actual feelings toward being black.I would never ACTUALLY call Halle Berry a mullato in conversation because to me she's black I was only using the term to explain her difference in appearance.
 
Beyonce doesn't seems to have width to her nose.She and her mother have the same nose.Those don't look like wide noses to me.Whatever the case if I was never told that Beyonce was Creole or that Halle Berry had a white mother I could tell that are of mixed race by appearance. 
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What are "traditional black features"? Beyonce' has width to her nose, full lips. High cheek bones...yeah, I think we already covered that. 
 
   And the term "mulatto" has different definitions and contains different connotations. It could just mean someone of european and african decent. It also can be defined as  :  "in  colonial Latin America, Spanish/African who were denied basic political, economic, and social rights due to their mixed heritage." It reminds some of racial oppression and a cast system meant to be set up of "who is more white will be aright" kind of mentality . "Willie Lynch-ism", if you will. For some, the term is derogatory, because of it's history and origin. There are those who would tell you that "mulatto" comes from the word "mule": " The etymology of the term is uncertain. It may derive from the Portuguese and Spanish word mulato, which is itself derived from mula (from Old Spanish, from Latinmūlus), meaning mule, the hybrid offspring of a horse and a donkey. "-from Wiki 
 
Not pleasant so far. 
 
There is also the term, "tragic mulatto" that most black women don't want to be associated with.  " The Tragic mulatto is a stereotypical fictional character that appeared in American literature during the 19th and 20th centuries. The "tragic mulatto" is an archetypical mixed race person (a "mulatto"), who is assumed to be sad or even suicidal because he/she fails to completely fit in the "white world" or the "black world". As such, the "tragic mulatto" is depicted as the victim of the society he/she lives in, a society divided by race. They cannot be classified as one who is completely "black" or "white". "-also from wiki.  
 
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Some feel that if you are going to use the term, "mulatto", why don't just go all the way back to the days where we tried oh so hard to pin-point and articulate just how far removed from being black, or how close to being white, or anything else other than what we are. BS like Mestizo, Quadroon, or Octoroon. How about Quintroon, and Hexadecaroon? Or any other number of utter foolishness we can come up with to show how much we hate being black.  "You know I got good hair 'cuase I'm part Cherokee..." 
 
      
 Girl, you ain't spanish--that's a Hawaiian Silky*BREAK!!*
 Girl, you ain't spanish--that's a Hawaiian Silky*BREAK!!*
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First of all Vance,who in THE HELL uses the word Mulatto anymore? this isn't South America,Central America/Caribbeans.The proper term is Biracial.and please lets not start with that Creole mess,Creole is still black.Because if Beyonce is Creole and not black,then that makes me Creole too or in that case a mix of everything. There are two different types of creole,European Creole and Creole of color,and Bey is a creole of color.Creole people usually have Spanish and French blood from the colonial periods of the original settlers,some Natives-Americ,but mostly from the Haitian migration and influence. People tend to not know where to draw the line between being directly mixed,and then having such and such in your blood down the line.Beyonce's mother is high yella,she is light skinned as hell.But even in her you can see her Native-American features,you can see her African ones as well.Fact is that most of our people do tend to be mixed DOWN THE LINE.  60% of African Americans have some European/White   Ancestry, while 75% have European or Native American ancestry while at least 25% has just African  ancestry  alone,which is rare.  ..   Nonetheless that still does not make us stand in the same race as the white man.No matter what is in my bloodline,i am still black and  therefore  have more  black  blood in me the  anything  else,obviously. "

First of all Aqua..who in THE HELL are you to correct me about something that doesn't even matter? I don't use Biracial.I say Mulatto.It means the same thing.Nobody said that Beyonce wasn't black so why are you taking what I said out of context and trying to break it down for me.I know what the hell Creole is.Beyonce doesn't have traditionally black features because of her ancestry and that was my point.So don't try and come in here and school me on things I already know.
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@RazzaTazz said:
" @Aqua11500: You are posting more fashion related photos on my comics fashion blog than I am, seems like someone has a "fashion in comics" blogger inside of her trying to get out ... ;) "
LOL XD
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@Aqua11500:
You are posting more fashion related photos on my comics fashion blog than I am, seems like someone has a "fashion in comics" blogger inside of her trying to get out ... ;)
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@RazzaTazz said:
" @Osiris1428: Yes Kelly is quite beautiful - better voice too IMO "
I think Kelly should play a younger Ororo or if they have a reboot.and yeah i always found her prettier at times too. 
 
 
Beyonce and Kelly had the most powerful voices in the DC3,You could hardly ever hear Michelle when they were all singing and harmonizing together.Though Michelle has a unique sound,it's just airy and light...maybe kinda thin too.but  IDK it was one performance where Kelly got really into the song ,and Beyonce looked over at her like "slow your role girl" lmao. 
 
          
 
 
She is one of may favorite singers,and gorgeous.BTW new album coming out this year,lets support her and show that Bey wasn't the only vocalist in the group. 
 
  
  love that song <3 
 
her voice is so powerful and moving.  
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@RazzaTazz: Oh, of course better voice!!!!
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@Osiris1428: Yes Kelly is quite beautiful - better voice too IMO
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This picture is awesome. THIS is Storm.

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I find darker skinned women more attractive. Just my preference. I have never really been attracted Halle B or Beyonce', but I think Jennifer Hudsun is beautiful. I always found Kelly Roland sexier than Beyonce'-but that's just me. 
  
And  Simone Bianchi's Storm looks awesome to me. 
 
                                                                                                                                          

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I love reading your articles even when I don't have much to contribute. ;]

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@Vance Astro said:

" @RazzaTazz said:

" @Vance Astro: @FadeToBlackBolt: I think it speaks to society as whole actually.  A lot of the famous black women considered more "beautiful" like Beyonce and Halle have more Caucasian features overall.  Whereas someone like Jennifer Hudson is not considered very attractive by most yet her features are more common among black women.  I think it is more the case that artists draw them that way because they are more attractive for the reader.   "

Halle Berry is mullatto and Beyonce is Creole which is why Jennifer Hudson has the more African American features.I don't think Halle and B are more attractive than J Hud because they look less black.They are simply more attractive than she is.That's not to say she's NOT attractive she's just not comparable to them physically.I've seen Beyonce in person..she's stunning. "
First of all Vance,who in THE HELL uses the word Mulatto anymore? this isn't South America,Central America/Caribbeans.The proper term is Biracial.and please lets not start with that Creole mess,Creole is still black.Because if Beyonce is Creole and not black,then that makes me Creole too or in that case a mix of everything. There are two different types of creole,European Creole and Creole of color,and Bey is a creole of color.Creole people usually have Spanish and French blood from the colonial periods of the original settlers,some Natives-Americ,but mostly from the Haitian migration and influence.
 
People tend to not know where to draw the line between being directly mixed,and then having such and such in your blood down the line.Beyonce's mother is high yella,she is light skinned as hell.But even in her you can see her Native-American features,you can see her African ones as well.Fact is that most of our people do tend to be mixed DOWN THE LINE.  60% of African Americans have some European/White   Ancestry, while 75% have European or Native American ancestry while at least 25% has just African  ancestry  alone,which is rare.  ..
 
Nonetheless that still does not make us stand in the same race as the white man.No matter what is in my bloodline,i am still black and  therefore  have more  black  blood in me the  anything  else,obviously.
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@RazzaTazz said:

" @Vance Astro: @FadeToBlackBolt: I think it speaks to society as whole actually.  A lot of the famous black women considered more "beautiful" like Beyonce and Halle have more Caucasian features overall.  Whereas someone like Jennifer Hudson is not considered very attractive by most yet her features are more common among black women.  I think it is more the case that artists draw them that way because they are more attractive for the reader.   "

No that isn't always true.First of all Beyonce doesn't look Caucasian at all,besides her light skin she is black.That is the unique thing about our People is that we come in many different shades and hues of brown..almost tan.We have unique features to our people ,and that is what makes us one of the most diverse races of people. 
 
 
Beyonce is a black woman,there is nothing remotely white about her features.Beyonce has a flat nose with almost if little to no bridge,full lips high cheekbones and bone structure,and when you wash that perm, dye and weave out of her hair,you get natural kinky ethnic hair.Now Halle Berry, even though she is mixed,her being a "Biracial African-American" it's pretty obvious that she took almost all if not majority of her features from her black side. with that being said,she too looks as a black woman would.People fail to realize that we as Black people and Americans.. at that will not look 100% Kenyan  Ghanaian ,we are decadents not the actual black peoples of Africa,though strong features do hold for some us from our ancestors 
 
        
      <--------this pic here you can clearly see her black features,she is just light. 
 
 
and in all honestly,not playing the race card,but a lot of this black people self hating sh!t stems from white people and their beliefs on i European beauty,when they stole us and brought us over here from Africa all we were really surrounded by besides our own people were white people,and in those days to be white was obviously better than being black.I think that western ways still have alot to do with how we as a people are viewed,though times are changing and we are accepting all of our people as equal.It use to be a time where light skin was in and black was wack.Yeah but it's just a combination of western influence and the African morals and spiritualness we lost so long ago from our ancestors. 
 
I personally find Jennifer beautiful,i thought she was of the prettiest big girls i had seen in awhile.BTW she looks fabulous with her weight loss too.I accept her either way though. 
  
    
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Yeah I know you are a starlet but I can't really say to you " You have Big Breasts of Steel or something even more explicit" even though if I heard two woman saying that to each other giving each other a high five I would fall on the floor laughing like Witch hazel. 
 
I was actually referring Sodom Yat not Kyle Ratner.   
 
I am a fan of Greg Land's work. I just get disappointed from the man that he can't draw hips on a female but I love his repeating face portraits. Sometimes though I do get impressed from time to time. Look at this. This should make you blush.  

 
 
 
I also forgot to point out that these ideas and theroies are from experiences. I draw people all the time. Most of the time would draw myself or my stepsister. Then as I got into high school. People would say to me" Draw me picture" I would most of the time since I am a minority, the people i draw would come out as a minority. That is what I'm used to drawing. Now if i was drawing a portrait from a picture or atcually looking at someone then that is something else, but off the top of my head  everyone I draw looks like either Morrris Chestnut and Exzibit or Monique and Jill Scott,(I love thick girls) George Lopez, Jet Li . 
 
To be honest I have a hard time drawing caucasions freehand.  I have to look at a picture of someone cacuasion if is going to be caucasion.
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@FortressoftheMoon:
Thanks for that reply,  it was well thought out.   
 
Let me say first that I don't have balls made of any kind of material (I was community starlet, not community star for a reason).    Unless you knew that and meant that figuratively, then thanks I guess.   
 
I think Kyle Rayner had a mask as both as a GL and as Ion.  
 
You and SC shoud link up so that you can collectively critique Greg Land's art style, though I am not sure if the CV server could handle the bandwidth. 
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Ok my post wasn't suppose to come out like that that. Edit button is not working.
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Razzatazz, You have admirable balls of Adamantium. You make delicate controversal threads that really make me go "hmmm."  God bless you and in the words of Luca Basi from the Godfather "may your first child be a masculine child."
 
I don't pay much attention about the heroines in DCU but in Marvel, it was very common that most african americans characters to look like caucasions with a tan or just plain outright offensive looking. Joe "Robbie" Robertson, Bishop, Nighthrasher, Luke Cage, on occasion Rhodey(War machine). would look pretty decent but that was also around the time when flat-tops were in. it was real easy to drawing african american males with flat tops. Seriously anyone can do it even a caveman.   
 
Now the females......well that is a different story.  In the 80s and 90s they werent really any popular african-american female heroines Sillouette was sort of popular but nowhere compared to Storm and she was easy to draw cause she had a flat-top. Storm did have many caucasion features but artist got by on her toning her very dark. I don't what to tell you on that whole punk look.  
 
With today's artist and their artwork, its just on how talented of the artist artist. I honest believe that most minorities superheroes look like a cast member from the show Jersey Shore is due to majority of the artists are caucausion and only use to drawing caucasions so they have a very hard time drawing drawing minorties with out looking like animals. So most artist just stick to drawing the same people over and over no matter who the person is. 
 
Best example is Greg land(Xmen the End, Ultimate fantasic Four, Sojourn, Birds of Prey)...the guy is a great artist apart from his inability to draw female hips. He draws the same woman over and over unless someone else is involved in the penciling. No matter what woman he draws Storm, Jean Grey, Ms. Marvel....every woman is practically the same person. 
 
 
 
 
 
Now as you can see Storm, She-Ra, Rainbow Brite and Strawberry Shortcake all look the same just with different color hair and different outfits. 
 
 
Check this out, M8. Let's flip the coin around on a black artist drawing caucasions like Keron grant. Check this out 
 
 
 

AsA
 
 


 
 

 
As you can see these are suppose to be picture are suppose to be Batgirl(Barbara Gordon) and Steve Rogers Captain America and I 'm not sure about the Gren Lantern guy...I think that is suppose to be Hal Jordan by the way how the costume looks. I was thinking Ion but i don't remember him having a mask. Correct me if I am wrong but I don't collect green lantern. The only thing of the Gren Lantern I have is the tradeback of Sinestro Wars. They look very non-caucasion to me,  
 
 
 
Let's look at another example from whom every comic book fan should knows. The most honorable Alex Ross. He uses himself and friends to model for the stuff he draws. So if you look at Mr terific and the other dude I forgot his name. You are a Dc fan I'm sure you know who he is. You can see that they are minorities.  
 

 
 

I know this might not proves my point with DC due to there are two african american males and no african american females. I was making the point of the artist ability to go that extra step to get the minorty look.  So the end I don't think it is on purpose african american superheroes look caucasion. It just the style and how well the artist can draw.
 
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Also has anyone ever noticed that most black female characters are usually drawn white?

 

This has been a stock complaint about comic book art for decades.  Not just female characters.  I remember reading the letters pages from the early 90's, where fans were praising Bishop's appearance because they felt that he had African-American features. 
 
Does anyone look at Surge & think of her Japanese heritage?  Because all I see is a stereo-typical comic book girl with a silly costume & blue hair (which is unfeasibly blue all of the time... from someone who used to have blue hair, trust me it's impossible to have electric blue 100% of the time). 
 
Yeah me too. Despite she is an interesting character espeically when she was dating Prodigy but everytime I see her in X-men books I ask myself why the hell does she look an extra from Soul Eater? Just make her look normal like Jubilee. This is clearly a case of the creator just being silly and not cute.
 

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 I was concerned with what I thought was going to turn into a racist discussion...which it has not.   Anyways, yeah, your topics are more thought provoking than anything else on this site. You should be doing the "Off My Mind" threads. "
  

Not sure if you would want that.  I am not sure if that is a knock at G-Man but I actually suggested the topic to him yesterday.   
 
As for your second point, attractiveness is of course subjective, but people usually find those that look like them as more attractive.  I wonder if this has any bearing on how they are drawn.  Though as gundam said it is probably just that most CB artists are taught drawing Caucasians.
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"@Vitality:  I am not expecting for black characters to all be drawn the same way, but I think that is characteristic in a mostly Caucasian society that we find black people who have what would be considered Caucasian features to be more attractive.  I for one don't see how people don't find Jennifer Hudson more attractive, but the answer probably lies in an us vs. them idea, where we trust the familiar and shun the different.  You follow my blogs, you wouldn't have found this one otherwise because I posted it in the Jet forum so you know that one of the things that I nitpick on is the the accurate portrayal of all characters, though there are often some which get the misrepresentation worse than others (women, non-Caucasian races).  I am not trying to say here that there is one "accurate portrayal of black people" neither is there one for white people.  I am just saying that when black female characters get drawn as mostly Caucasian looking it reminds me how a women like Halle Berry is considered gorgeous, wheras as woman like Jennifer Hudson is considered by many as not as attractive.  I am quite comfortable with my appearance as a woman, I know I am not as good lookign as either one of them, but for me to say that Halle Berry is better looking is inaccurate.  I think as a scoiety we accept her more because of how she looks - that is all, just like we accept these characters more.  "


Someone saying one or the other is more attractive would be accurate because it is only their opinion (assuming they're not lying). 
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"@Vitality: First of all didn't you start the replies asking why people would want to comment on this blog, then you are the main person commenting?  Anyway I appreciate the discussion. "
 
I was concerned with what I thought was going to turn into a racist discussion...which it has not.  
 
Anyways, yeah, your topics are more thought provoking than anything else on this site. You should be doing the "Off My Mind" threads.
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@Vitality:
First of all didn't you start the replies asking why people would want to comment on this blog, then you are the main person commenting?  Anyway I appreciate the discussion.  I am not expecting for black characters to all be drawn the same way, but I think that is characteristic in a mostly Caucasian society that we find black people who have what would be considered Caucasian features to be more attractive.  I for one don't see how people don't find Jennifer Hudson more attractive, but the answer probably lies in an us vs. them idea, where we trust the familiar and shun the different.  You follow my blogs, you wouldn't have found this one otherwise because I posted it in the Jet forum so you know that one of the things that I nitpick on is the the accurate portrayal of all characters, though there are often some which get the misrepresentation worse than others (women, non-Caucasian races).  I am not trying to say here that there is one "accurate portrayal of black people" neither is there one for white people.  I am just saying that when black female characters get drawn as mostly Caucasian looking it reminds me how a women like Halle Berry is considered gorgeous, wheras as woman like Jennifer Hudson is considered by many as not as attractive.  I am quite comfortable with my appearance as a woman, I know I am not as good lookign as either one of them, but for me to say that Halle Berry is better looking is inaccurate.  I think as a scoiety we accept her more because of how she looks - that is all, just like we accept these characters more. 
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 Again...expecting them all to be drawn the same way is stereotyping. "

As far as i've read that's not what she said at all.All she said was "Ever notice how USUALLY black superheroines are drawn white".Which suggests there are more that are drawn that way then how most black people ACTUALLY look.If the majority of REAL black people look a certain way then why shouldn't the same be applied to fictional characters? 
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When there is proof that not all black people have a certain look...which is even prooved in this very thread...then it is indeed stereotyping.  Saying that characters don't look "accurate" compared to the vision of black person in your mind (when the characters in question were not based off real life people) is indeed stereotyping. "
All black people don't have a certain look but they aren't all white people colored brown either and that's sometimes how characters look in comics. "

Alright...but if there ARE INDEED black people who have caucasian features...then one could say that the characters in question are indeed being drawn accurately. 
 
Again...expecting them all to be drawn the same way is stereotyping.
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When there is proof that not all black people have a certain look...which is even prooved in this very thread...then it is indeed stereotyping.  Saying that characters don't look "accurate" compared to the vision of black person in your mind (when the characters in question were not based off real life people) is indeed stereotyping. "
All black people don't have a certain look but they aren't all white people colored brown either and that's sometimes how characters look in comics.
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" @Vitality said:
" @Vance Astro said:
 
@Vitality said:
That "accurate face" you have in mind would be your stereotype.     "
In what way is that a stereotype? "
Tell me how that is NOT a stereotype. "
Wanting a face to look accurate to how black people ACTUALLY look isn't asking for a stereotype.That would be like me saying I want Ryu or E.Honda to look more asian because their eyes aren't even accurate to how asian eyes look and you going...that's a stereotype.It's not.It's how asian people look. "

When there is proof that not all black people have a certain look...which is even prooved in this very thread...then it is indeed stereotyping. 
 
Saying that characters don't look "accurate" compared to the vision of black person in your mind (when the characters in question were not based off real life people) is indeed stereotyping.
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@Vitality said:
" @Vance Astro said:
 
@Vitality said:
That "accurate face" you have in mind would be your stereotype.     "
In what way is that a stereotype? "
Tell me how that is NOT a stereotype. "
Wanting a face to look accurate to how black people ACTUALLY look isn't asking for a stereotype.That would be like me saying I want Ryu or E.Honda to look more asian because their eyes aren't even accurate to how asian eyes look and you going...that's a stereotype.It's not.It's how asian people look.
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Expecting every black superhero to look a certain "accurate" way is basically the definition of stereotyping.
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There's always Misty Knight... 
  

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@Vance Astro said:
 
@Vitality said:
That "accurate face" you have in mind would be your stereotype.     "
In what way is that a stereotype? "


Tell me how that is NOT a stereotype.
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Okay, now Im confused, so what exactly do you want Black superheroes to look like, I have a wide nose and big lips, and so does my mom and my brother, but some of my other black friends and relatives dont, and some of my white, asian, and hispanic friends do. 

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 Strange also how many African American male heroes are protrayed as bald.  I guess I could write another blog post on that, but its not as much a mix of fashion and comics as I usually write about.  "
It's easier to make a character bald than to try and go with whatever the trend is for black hair because anyone can be bald.Cage did have cornrows in House of M Avengers though LOL. 
 
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That "accurate face" you have in mind would be your stereotype.     "
In what way is that a stereotype?
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"@Vitality: I see your point, though I don't necessarily agree with it.  If you look at the picture of Jet which I included and then say look at a picture of Rihanna, you can see that they look completley differently.  Rihanna is obviously a real life person and Jet is not.  It stands to reason then that she is not being portrayed accurately.          "

Now you're saying that Jet was supposed to be made to resemble Rihanna...which is not the case.
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@Vitality: 
I see your point, though I don't necessarily agree with it.  If you look at the picture of Jet which I included and then say look at a picture of Rihanna, you can see that they look completley differently.  Rihanna is obviously a real life person and Jet is not.  It stands to reason then that she is not being portrayed accurately.         
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"@Vitality: I didnt use the term stereotype (except in reference to the earrings) and if there is a stereotype its not mine.  I understand that comics are based in a fantastical world with a lot exxageration in terms of shapes shapes and proportions, but in terms of drawing an accurate face it is not as difficult to portray it accurately I think.  "

What I mean...you're seeing these black superheroes...and you're expecting them to be drawn a "accurately".  
That "accurate face" you have in mind would be your stereotype.   
 
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@Vitality:
I didnt use the term stereotype (except in reference to the earrings) and if there is a stereotype its not mine.  I understand that comics are based in a fantastical world with a lot exxageration in terms of shapes shapes and proportions, but in terms of drawing an accurate face it is not as difficult to portray it accurately I think. 
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@GundamHeavyarms:
Thanks for that awesome reply. I would say that in Kid quantum's case that hoop earrings on a black sueprheroine is a stereotype (thats sort of the point of this blog post).  Sorry about the oversight of Bling, I am not much of a Marvel fan, so I can honestly say that I forgot she existed.   
 
Strange also how many African American male heroes are protrayed as bald.  I guess I could write another blog post on that, but its not as much a mix of fashion and comics as I usually write about. 
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"@Vance Astro: @Vitality:   In a sense, but for instance I can still see how Wonder Woman has Greek features, but most African American characters dont have African American features.  "

So you would rather have them all look like your African American "stereotype"?
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Well, when one studies figure drawing (like I have) one tends to draw facial features that look more caucasian because a lot of models are caucasian, they probably dont do it on purpose, thats just the style they learn, that being said, they probably try to avoid stereotypes.  Allow me,  RazzaTazz, to give you an example or two, or three.

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This is Tyroc, a Legionairre, Mike Grell, the artist who first drew him, was really disgusted with this character because they wanted to include more black legionairres but couldnt.   According do DC Editorial at the time there were none because all the black people had moved to an Island.  So Grell gave him this stupid costume and an a giant afro.  Just looking at him makes my head hurt....he looks like a stripper with an elvis theme.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 
 
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This is what he looks like now, with a much less offensive outfit and haircut, or more accurately no haircut.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
If you want an example of a female superhero, I can give you some too. 
 
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This is XS, in addition to being a legionairre, she is also Barry Allen's, granddaugher.  Her look says black female superhero, but not a stereotype.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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This is the second Kid Quantum, her look also says black female superhero, but isnt a stereotype, she's even wearing hoop earrings. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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In closing RazzaTazz, im a little disappointed  in you, how could you create a blog called "Black Superheroine Bling," and not include the black superheroine named Bling.
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@RazzaTazz said:

" @Vance Astro: @Vitality:   In a sense, but for instance I can still see how Wonder Woman has Greek features, but most African American characters dont have African American features.  "

It's easier to make someone look greek than it is to make someone look black.
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@Vance Astro:
@Vitality:  
 
In a sense, but for instance I can still see how Wonder Woman has Greek features, but most African American characters dont have African American features. 
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@Vitality said:
" @RazzaTazz said:
 I think it is more the case that artists draw them that way because they are more attractive for the reader.   "
 That's basically the case for any character in comics. "
True.
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 I think it is more the case that artists draw them that way because they are more attractive for the reader.   "
 


That's basically the case for any character in comics.
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" @Vance Astro: @FadeToBlackBolt: I think it speaks to society as whole actually.  A lot of the famous black women considered more "beautiful" like Beyonce and Halle have more Caucasian features overall.  Whereas someone like Jennifer Hudson is not considered very attractive by most yet her features are more common among black women.  I think it is more the case that artists draw them that way because they are more attractive for the reader.   "

Halle Berry is mullatto and Beyonce is Creole which is why Jennifer Hudson has the more African American features.I don't think Halle and B are more attractive than J Hud because they look less black.They are simply more attractive than she is.That's not to say she's NOT attractive she's just not comparable to them physically.I've seen Beyonce in person..she's stunning.
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@Vance Astro:

Fair enough I was just using them as examples though. 
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@FadeToBlackBolt: 

I think it speaks to society as whole actually.  A lot of the famous black women considered more "beautiful" like Beyonce and Halle have more Caucasian features overall.  Whereas someone like Jennifer Hudson is not considered very attractive by most yet her features are more common among black women.  I think it is more the case that artists draw them that way because they are more attractive for the reader.  
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As far as black female characters being drawn white..I think it's because it's hard to distinguish race with certain artists styles and still have the character look attractive.Look at Bianchi's storm.She definitely looks black...but she's also ugly.It's hard to fit race specific characters into certain styles.That's all.

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@RazzaTazz: Thanks :P 
 
As for your post, regarding Black characters appearing White, it's an odd phenomenon, but I don't think it's intentionally done for insidious reasons. It probably just comes down to what comes naturally to the artist, and most artists working today aren't Black.
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