How DC's New 52 Affected My Favorite Ladies

As I've been looking back through the list of my favorite DC females characters, I've come to realize that the New 52 has largely been unkind to them, in some cases brutally so. Here's a look at just how my top ten have been affected, with my own personal grade on their new versions. Keep in mind that these are all my own opinions.

1. Ravager

While her recent appearances have been gorgeous from a physical perspective, she's lacked a whole lot of depth so far, going from the hero she was before the reboot to a barely relatable cold villain. While she's shown some brief flashes of depth and care around Caitlin Fairchild, those moments came and went way too fast, leaving her as just another villain. We've been promised to be shown her full backstory and see her develop more in The Ravagers series, but it doesn't look like that's happening any time soon. At least she's still badass, though I don't need to be constantly reminded of that every time she makes an appearance. Want some character development please. I've also dedicated an entire topic to my thoughts on her in the New 52, so for my full opinion, see here.

Grade: B

2. Raven

Non existent so far. It's been said that she's going to appear in the future in a big role, so here's hoping she turns out okay. I have a nagging feeling that they'll butcher her, though.

Grade: N/A

3. Power Girl

Oh boy, where the hell do I even start with her? This is not the PG I know, not even close. Not only has her origins changed to be the Supergirl from Earth-2 before becoming Power Girl, but her physical appearance has been horribly, horribly altered. First, the costume. I feel like a broken record repeating the thoughts of so many others, but oh my god is that thing ugly. It feels like an 80's track suit or a Swedish speed skating uniform with a cape, and the giant P symbol on the left side is beyond gaudy. Going along with that is her terrible drawn face and hair. Perez seems to want to draw every individual strand of hair on her head, and it fails. Hard. Her face is narrow and bony, and just oddly shaped with her cheekbones jutting out. It makes her look a lot older than she is, and not to mention a bit mannish. Then, of course, her actual figure has been trimmed down to be much leaner. She now looks no different than so many other heroines with skinny bodies. While she's given a few nice curves in a few panels, they're all too brief. To apparently compensate for the lack of visual appeal, they also went and made her super promiscuous, judging from some of her dialogue, and for no reason. My point is, this character is unrecognizable as PG on all levels. She has been completely butchered.

Grade: F

4. Barbara Gordon

I think I'm actually one of the few who don't mind her switch from Oracle back to Batgirl. Sure, the loss of Oracle is a heavy hit to the DC universe, but Barbara has always been my favorite Batgirl. While I'm way to young to have grown up with her as Batgirl in comics, I knew her from Batman TAS and such, and that's always how I knew Batgirl. When I started getting into comics, I was confused as to why she wasn't Batgirl, until I read the Killing Joke and learned about that whole backstory. I love the way Gail Simone has been writing her so far, too. Yeah, she's still a little rusty after having returned from three years in a wheelchair, but I absolutely adore her in every way so far.

Grade: A+

5. Renee Montoya

Non existent so far. Okay, that's not entirely true. She has been shown to exist, but only in a brief mention in Batwoman #1, where it's implied she might be dead. If she is... then eff you, DC, for snuffing one of the best diversity characters you had going for you, with absolutely no reason or explanation as to her disappearance, since she was quite alive and well before the reboot. Until her status is confirmed, though, I can't give a grade. Just know that I'm watching you, DC... I'm watching you closely.

Grade: N/A

6. Batwoman

Virtually unchanged from before the reboot, which is a good thing. She's still the character I love.

Grade: A

7. Cassandra Cain

I've always had a love-hate relationship with Cass. I initially hated her because she was Batgirl when I got into comics, and I already had it in my head that Barbara was supposed to be Batgirl. Plus, she was incredibly overpowered at the time... I mean, half the crap she pulled was beyond superhuman, yet she wasn't supposed to have any meta powers, which left me with quite a few 'wtf' moments. Later on, though, when I started reading her character more (and they thankfully nerfed her abilities to be more reasonable within the context of a non-powered superhero), she grew to be one of my favs. Buuuut... she's non existent so far in the New 52, with no confirmed mention, as far as I know, that she'll be making an appearance any time soon.

Grade: N/A

8. Poison Ivy

Prominent in the Birds of Prey series, which I rather enjoy. It's good to see her in a bigger role than just a sporadically appearing villain. Unlike a lot of others, too, I don't have many complaints about her costume, and I think it actually looks rather cool. Exceeeeept the fact that her skin isn't green anymore. That was one of the things I liked most about her, because it gave her a unique appearance and made sense (and looks awesome in combination with her red hair). That brings her grade down, unfortunately.

Grade: B+

9. Harley Quinn

Do I really even need to comment? This is not the Harley I grew to adore from Batman TAS, or earlier comics. This is... I don't even know what to call it. Harley's sl*tty doppelganger, I guess. I'll admit I haven't read much of her new version, but from what I've seen... it hasn't been pretty.

Grade: F

10. Big Barda

Non existent so far. Because, why not? Almost half the characters on this list haven't appeared yet.

Grade: N/A

So, out of my top ten favorite DC women, 4 haven't even made an appearance yet, and two of them are failures. Another two are above average, with the last two actually worthy of saying I like them as much, if not more so, than before the reboot. Overall, though, the reboot has not been kind at all to my favorite female characters.

What are your thoughts on some of these characters? Have your own favorite that was ruined by the reboot? Or maybe one that got better? Feel free to comment below!

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Posted by RedheadedAtrocitus

Agreed on all...especially Rose and Karen. They've been irrevocably altered and not for the better in my opinion. BTW, I absolutely love your background ^_^

Posted by Ravager4

@RedheadedAtrocitus: Ha, thanks :P

Posted by Blood1991
9. Harley Quinn

Do I really even need to comment? This is not the Harley I grew to adore from Batman TAS, or earlier comics. This is... I don't even know what to call it. Harley's sl*tty doppelganger, I guess. I'll admit I haven't read much of her new version, but from what I've seen... it hasn't been pretty.

Grade: F

It is so sad (;_;)

Posted by KnightRise

@Ravager4: Besides her appearence, can you list some other reasons you give Power Girl such a low score?

Edited by Ravager4

@KnightRise: Well, they changed her origin to being the Supergirl from Earth-2, which I felt was a step back. I'm a fan of Power Girl, not Supergirl, and she'd always made a point before the reboot of being her own person and separating herself from the Superman family style. Now it just feels like, well, a slightly altered version of Supergirl, especially during the "past" half of Worlds' Finest. I also haven't liked the way they seemed to try compensating for the fact that she's been so physically downgraded by making her much more promiscuous than she used to be. Before, sexualization to her was something of a joke, often centered around her larger than average chest. Of course, what made it great, particularly during the Conner/Palmioti run, was that she was in on the joke, which made for some great humor. But judging from some of the dialogue I've seen between her and Huntress, the new joke seems to be just that she's highly more promiscuous than before, especially when compared to Huntress, even going so far as implying that she slept with Mr. Terrific for access to certain technology. It just feels so off and wrong for her character.

Edit: Aside from that, too, the book she's currently in is dull and boring, dragging out a fight across three issues and then some. I haven't been entertained by it at all, and have since dropped it.

Edit x2: Not to mention she's also been terribly ineffective during said fight. Hell, most of the time Huntress is faring better than than her. All that I've already mentioned, compounded with the fact that she's just been getting her ass kicked by Hakkou so far, is just so incredibly heartbreaking to see happen to one of my favorite characters.

Posted by noj

@Ravager4: Correct me if im wrong but Im almost positive that the Power Girl from before Flashpoint was still the Supergirl from Earth 2 since at least infinite crisis. They really didnt change her origin all that much

Posted by Ravager4

@noj: Was she? I don't ever recall that. I remember one panel somewhere of PG crumbling up a Superman emblem when someone suggested she wear it, saying she didn't want to be just another copy of Superman. That doesn't sound like a former Supergirl to me.

Posted by cloudzackvincent

Power Girl was always Supergirl from Earth 2.... although COIE chnged her origin for a period..it was made very very clear in Infinite Crisis that she was the Supergirl from earth 2

Posted by Ravager4

@cloudzackvincent: Do you mind if I ask for where I can find that information? According to the wiki, and everywhere else I've looked:

When Kara's ship finally arrived on Earth, she was in her early twenties (though in her Modern Age retconned origin, she arrived on Earth at eighteen years of age). She then met her cousin Kal-L, who had grown up on Earth-Two as the heroic Superman. Kal-L, who in this reality had married his longtime sweetheart Lois Lane, adopted Kara so she could have a family and a period of adjustment to life on Earth. Shortly afterward, Kara set forth on Earth-Two to become the heroine known as Power Girl.

I just want to make sure I have all my facts accurate, because as far as I've been able to tell, she became Power Girl after arriving on Earth, not Supergirl.

Though in either case, it doesn't change the fact that this new PG does not feel like PG at all.

Posted by Ravager4

@Ravager4: Then there's also this from her DCU Origins segment

Posted by cloudzackvincent

@Ravager4: ok my mistake...i thought when u said "they changed her origin to being supergirl from earth 2" u meant u were talking about the person not the name and the costume.... what i meant was she was supergirl as in the earth 2 counterpart of kara zor el......but ofc she took d name PG

Posted by sinestro_GL

I do miss Barda and the rest of the Fourth World

Posted by Ravager4

@cloudzackvincent: Yeah, what I meant is that she seems to have lost this particular aspect of her:

I know she technically is a different version of Supergirl, but she was always her own unique character. But now, she actually feels like just a different version of Supergirl, too.

Posted by cloudzackvincent

@Ravager4: ofc she seems to have lost the pluckiness in her pesonality with distinguished her from Supergirl.... i m just waiting to see more of her in world's finest..

Posted by Ravager4

@cloudzackvincent: I've already seen plenty. There is nothing about that book to justify my continuing to spend money on it every month, and no matter how they develop her in the future, the damage has already been done, for me. Call me again if it somehow lasts long enough to get a team like Conner, Gray and Palmiotti on it again, but until then, I'm steering far clear of this lame PG.

Posted by sethysquare

@Ravager4: A little comment on PG. Hasn't she always been Supergirl from earth 2. I dont think that has ever changed. From the issues I've read in Justice Society, it surely does seem that way.

Posted by Ravager4

@sethysquare: See the above comments. There was some confusion over what I meant. I was referring to her going by the alias of Supergirl in the New 52, whereas before the reboot she'd always been Power Girl. I'm well aware that she's still the Kara Zor-(E)L from Earth-2

Edited by Jorgevy

agree with everything, specially PG, except Harley Quinn. I actually like this new version of her from everything I've been reading on Suicide Squad up until now. Granted, I wasn't the biggest fan of Harley before, so I wouldn't know if she is worse

Posted by sethysquare

@Ravager4: Oh okay. But nobody calls her Supergirl in new 52 except for earth 2. And she isn't even in earth 2, so I don't know how detrimental it is. Even if like you mentioned above, its making her a carbon copy of Superman, Ill have to disagree. Powergirl for all intent and purposes was meant to be an earth 2 counterpart of Supergirl. Her relationship with Superman has always been such. Cousins. Just like new earth's Kara and Kal. Only surviving members from the house of El.

Besides, for 20 years she was an atlantean. That would be the biggest insult to Power girl. I hated it so much.

Posted by Ravager4

@sethysquare: We seem to disagree on most things... I've noticed that for a while. It's odd, really. We're like polar opposites on most opinions.

Edited by sethysquare

@Ravager4 said:

@sethysquare: We seem to disagree on most things... I've noticed that for a while. It's odd, really. We're like polar opposites on most opinions.

LOL. I don't think.

You seem to not like anything controversial. Harley Quin, Powergirl, Starfire. Anything "sexualised" or "unsexualised"

But we do agree on Babs and Ravagers and I believe pretty much almost all the other books.

Yours would be what I call a stereotypical taste influenced by sites like dcwomenkickingass and that girl from comicsalliance.

I'm pretty sure you do not like Catwoman as well.

Edit: please dont take it as an insult because it wasn't meant to be one.

Posted by Ravager4

@sethysquare: On the contrary, I don't mind sexualization at all. It's when the sexualization becomes unnecessary and superfluous, as well as out of character, that I have a problem. For Harley and Power Girl, they were flipped from adorable/aloof/joking/etc. to being needlessly oversexualized. In Harley's case, it's her appearance, which borderlines on something a gothic stripper would wear, and for PG it's her sudden extreme promiscuity, which she never showed much of at all before the reboot.

Catwoman I don't really mind. The whole having sex with Batman thing, I mean, while it certainly didn't need to be depicted as graphically as it was, made sense considering all the sexual tension between them for years, and Selina's always been a seductive, sexual character.

Posted by sethysquare

@Ravager4 said:

@sethysquare: On the contrary, I don't mind sexualization at all. It's when the sexualization becomes unnecessary and superfluous, as well as out of character, that I have a problem. For Harley and Power Girl, they were flipped from adorable/aloof/joking/etc. to being needlessly oversexualized. In Harley's case, it's her appearance, which borderlines on something a gothic stripper would wear, and for PG it's her sudden extreme promiscuity, which she never showed much of at all before the reboot.

Catwoman I don't really mind. The whole having sex with Batman thing, I mean, while it certainly didn't need to be depicted as graphically as it was, made sense considering all the sexual tension between them for years, and Selina's always been a seductive, sexual character.

not sure how powergirl became oversexualised. I believe you meant to say starfire. but yeah, like we always come to the conclusion, agree to disagree.

Edited by Ravager4

@sethysquare: well, what I meant is that it's been implied that Power Girl likes to 'sleep around' now, as suggested by her conversation with Huntress in the most recent issue of Worlds' Finest. I don't use that term as solely restricted to women, either, because I find it just as distasteful when men sleep around, too. I'll never understand it, but that's just me. My point is that the old Power Girl would never have just been bedding around with a bunch of unnamed people... because that wasn't her. At all. But apparently it is now.

Edit: I'll actually point you to this thread here http://www.comicvine.com/power-girl/29-4915/the-corporate-rape-of-power-girl/92-678877/#3 for explaining it much better.

As for Starfire, eck... she's been irrevocably ruined for me. I get that in later issues they've been apparently redeeming her character, but it's too little too late for me. Those first few issues just left a horrible taste in my mouth, and now I can't even look at her without feeling sick to my stomach. I don't know if I ever will be able to again, no matter how much she develops from now on. But that's a whole can of worms I'd rather not talk about...

Edited by TheCrowbar

This PG has no personality. The one I loved reading was comfortable in her own skin, she seem so detached from a human persona in these new52 comics. Huntress and PG are not the world's finest. Not as they are now. How this book hasn't been given the axe is beyond me. It was a terrible idea from issue 1.

Posted by Ravager4

@TheCrowbar: Probably because it's only 3 issues in and started off selling well due to the initial hype and fan hope. As time goes on, though, I feel we'll see a decline in those sales. I know I'm not the only one who's done buying it now. Will it survive long enough to get a new creative team? Probably. And I hope it's far better than the one currently on it, because I so badly want a PG I can like. This one, though, I simply cannot.

Also, I agree, give me Bertinelli and pre-52 PG any day over this boring dreck. Actually, I'd even take PG and Atlee. Their friendship was by far the most adorable relationship I've ever seen in a comic.

Posted by sethysquare

@Ravager4: implied she loves to sleep around? I seriously have no idea about your thought process. Then I guess you should never read batman cos he sleeps around so much. Hope you are not reading green arrow as well cos well that horny prick would sleep with any woman he wants, no strings attached.

Posted by KainScion

@Ravager4 said:

@Ravager4: Then there's also this from her DCU Origins segment

my god the art is gorgeous. after world's finest destruction of PG its good to see her as she was. GLORIOUS!!

Posted by Ravager4

@sethysquare: Have you read the issue? There's a conversation between Kara and Helena that pretty clearly implies her newfound promiscuity. If you follow the link I added in that post, you can see I'm not the only one who's been thinking that way. It's not like this is the only reason I dislike her either, though. I mean, I could bring myself to live with it if the rest of her character was still great, but there is nothing about this new PG that I find interesting, which makes it just ten times worse. There are points in each issue where they had to somehow mention that PG is much more sexual than the reserved 'prude' (PG's own word there) of Huntress, and it's just become mind numbingly grating. They went and made sex, which had always been something of a joke around PG (a joke that worked, mind you), and turned it into one of her main character traits, from what I'm gathering, and to me that was a mistake.

Posted by sethysquare

@Ravager4 said:

@sethysquare: Have you read the issue? There's a conversation between Kara and Helena that pretty clearly implies her newfound promiscuity. If you follow the link I added in that post, you can see I'm not the only one who's been thinking that way. It's not like this is the only reason I dislike her either, though. I mean, I could bring myself to live with it if the rest of her character was still great, but there is nothing about this new PG that I find interesting, which makes it just ten times worse. There are points in each issue where they had to somehow mention that PG is much more sexual than the reserved 'prude' (PG's own word there) of Huntress, and it's just become mind numbingly grating. They went and made sex, which had always been something of a joke around PG (a joke that worked, mind you), and turned it into one of her main character traits, from what I'm gathering, and to me that was a mistake.

oh gosh. you mean that sentence where Helena said you'll find parademon under every bed and Kara said not every bed?

You call that newfound promiscuity?

It doesnt mean anything. At the most, it can be said that she used her x-ray vision to scan surroundings or perhaps she slept with one or two guys. But they could've easily been her boyfriend or whatever. There was nowhere in there that implies her newfound promiscuity. At all.

If you do not like her personality or outfit, sure fine. But calling a cheeky sentence, promiscuous is kinda stretching it. Come on.

It makes you come across as pretty juvenile. May I ask how old are you? If you have such strict moral standards whereby you would feel disgusted by characters having more than a few sexual partners in their lives, I suggest you don't read X-men at all.

I hope you are not reading Wolverine or x-men, because that would make you look like a hypocrite.

Edited by Jorgevy

@sethysquare: actually, I read it aswell, yesterday actually, it's not only that line, there's a few more in the next panels that show that she has been going around without caring much about "serious relationships". Not to mention that she seemed to like all the attention those London guys were giving her when she was wearing a skirt.

EDIT:

there's one more but I think this shows what we are trying to talk about and I don't know where I put it

Edited by Ravager4

@sethysquare: No, I don't read X-men, or any Marvel at all for that matter.

And when did I say I was "disgusted by characters having more than a few sexual partners in their lives"? I never used the word disgusted, and not in relation to having a healthy sex life. I said I found it 'distasteful' when people sleep around, as in the sheer casualness of having sex with whomever. I just happen to believe in saving intimate relations with someone you care about or at least know and somewhat like, not just random people for the sake of having intimate relations. The vibe that I got from that conversation, as well as some of their past conversations, was the sheer casualness that Kara now seems to have about the subject.

The past Kara didn't have that kind of vibe. In fact, the past Power Girl seemed like the one who would have saved such relations for a significant other that she actually cared about, regardless of what her costume happened to look like. Like Nicholas Cho, for example, in her solo series. I would have loved for them to get together, because of the relationship they'd built up together as friends, and clearly cared for each other. If he'd just been some random guy who worked with her that she decided to sleep with for sake of sleeping with him, though, that would have put me off. She didn't have that casual nature about sex to her, and I liked that about her. I mean, she was Power Girl, the kind of heroine that every guy would want to be with, but likely never would, because while they can look all they want, she wasn't about to let any of them touch.

What I'm getting from the new Power Girl is that she doesn't really care that much who it's with, as long she likes your 'comparative anatomy', and that's a little off putting. You can interpret it how you want, but that's how I'm interpreting it, and how others have also interpreted it. But again, even that's not a complete deal breaker. I could look past that implication just fine if I liked her character otherwise. But I don't. I find nothing of interest in this new Power Girl, which makes it impossible to look past for me.

Posted by sethysquare

@Jorgevy said:

@sethysquare: actually, I read it aswell, yesterday actually, it's not only that line, there's a few more in the next panels that show that she has been going around without caring much about "serious relationships". Not to mention that she seemed to like all the attention those London guys were giving her when she was wearing a skirt.

actually the only other panel seems to indicate that is her wearing a top with I love hugs and when hel said don't get distracted, karen said I know my priorities, what I don't know is how to make sense out of these programming language.

None of the panels actually implies her sexual promiscuity though. Also, I believe all girls like attention if guys were giving them

Posted by sethysquare

@Ravager4 said:

@sethysquare: No, I don't read X-men, or any Marvel at all for that matter.

And when did I say I was "disgusted by characters having more than a few sexual partners in their lives"? I never used the word disgusted, and not in relation to having a healthy sex life. I said I found it 'distasteful' when people sleep around, as in the sheer casualness of having sex with whomever. I just happen to believe in saving intimate relations with someone you care about or at least know and somewhat like, not just random people for the sake of having intimate relations. The vibe that I got from that conversation, as well as some of their past conversations, was the sheer casualness that Kara now seems to have about the subject.

The past Kara didn't have that kind of vibe. In fact, the past Power Girl seemed like the one who would have saved such relations for a significant other that she actually cared about, regardless of what her costume happened to look like. Like Nicholas Cho, for example, in her solo series. I would have loved for them to get together, because of the relationship they'd built up together as friends, and clearly cared for each other. If he'd just been some random guy who worked with her that she decided to sleep with for sake of sleeping with him, though, that would have put me off. She didn't have that casual nature about sex to her, and I liked that about her. I mean, she was Power Girl, the kind of heroine that every guy would want to be with, but likely never would, because while they can look all they want, she wasn't about to let any of them touch.

What I'm getting from the new Power Girl is that she doesn't really care that much who it's with, as long she likes your 'comparative anatomy', and that's a little off putting. You can interpret it how you want, but that's how I'm interpreting it, and how others have also interpreted it. But again, even that's not a complete deal breaker. I could look past that implication just fine if I liked her character otherwise. But I don't. I find nothing of interest in this new Power Girl, which makes it impossible to look past for me.

subjected to different interpretations then.

Posted by Jorgevy

@sethysquare: the programming part is in a flashback, has nothing to do with what Helena said, which was pretty clear to me, was about Kara and guys. And then what about she sleeping with Mr Terrific just to get some technology or "geniuses"?

Im not discussing morally correct, I dont give a crap about that in comics, Im discussing personality change. This is a totally opposite PG.

Old PG wouldn't sleep with some random guy, and would definitally not sleep with someone for interest. That's what me and other fans are enraged with, the fact that with one little reboot, her WHOLE personality changed.

Posted by sethysquare

@Jorgevy said:

@sethysquare: the programming part is in a flashback, has nothing to do with what Helena said, which was pretty clear to me, was about Kara and guys. And then what about she sleeping with Mr Terrific just to get some technology or "geniuses"?

Im not discussing morally correct, I dont give a crap about that in comics, Im discussing personality change. This is a totally opposite PG.

Old PG wouldn't sleep with some random guy, and would definitally not sleep with someone for interest. That's what me and other fans are enraged with, the fact that with one little reboot, her WHOLE personality changed.

None of the panels actually confirms a sexual relationship at all. I have friends who talk like that, but never gets into a sexual relationship with anyone other than their boyfriends.

Posted by Jnr6Lil

@Ravager4 said:

@Ravager4: Then there's also this from her DCU Origins segment

Where can I read DCU origins?

Posted by Jorgevy

@sethysquare: even if that's true, which in a media that uses written word to send a message, it's unlikely, she still slept with Terrific for his technology. And that's outrageous for PG to do. Even if the other panels didn't talk about anything, that one is just bad... It's not PG, it doesn't feel like PG. I haven't dropped the book yet, out of hope, but it's starting to thin out...

Edited by Ravager4

@Jnr6Lil: I believe you can download them free on comixology.com

Posted by Jnr6Lil

@Ravager4: Weren't they on the website though?

Posted by Ravager4
Posted by Jnr6Lil

@Ravager4: Love that series

Posted by Funrush
  • 1. What books has she been appearing in?
  • 2. I hope she ends up cool. If they butcher her, I'll be pretty pissed.
  • 3. I would've loved it if her new costume was the old one with just the huge chesthole patched up.
  • 4. I think it'd be cool if Harper Row became Oracle. I like Barbara as Batgirl again.
  • 8. I don't know why, but I just don't like new Poison Ivy. It's just meh to me.
  • 9. From what I've heard, she isn't that bad. She's bad, but not the extent you say.
Posted by The Stegman

I blame Perez for how Powergirl is drawn, the costume...is fine to me, and as for her being Supergirl from Earth 2....she kinda always seemed like an alternate reality Supergirl to me, even if she has become her own character throughout the years, these little problems aren't enough to give the character an F in my book. 
 
 
That..and I like Harley better now than before.

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Posted by Ravager4

@Funrush: Rose appeared throughout Superboy, as well as in one issue of Legion Lost, up to the Culling crossover, and has since migrated to The Ravagers series

Posted by jrock85

Agreed on everything except Harley.

Posted by SoA

harley went in ditzy and what not in suicide squad but became ruthless , clever , and just awesome towards the end of her arc , i like it

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Posted by justforthecomments

I'll cry if they butcher Raven....

Posted by Funrush

@Ravager4 said:

@Funrush: Rose appeared throughout Superboy, as well as in one issue of Legion Lost, up to the Culling crossover, and has since migrated to The Ravagers series

No wonder... I haven't been reading or keeping track of any of those! XD

Posted by Beast_in_the_Shadows

Yeah, the DCnU has done plenty of damage to some of my favorite characters, but I have to admit it has been particularly harsh on my favorite female characters. Donna is gone, Starfire has been overhauled in horrible ways (not just her current view point on sexual partners) Atlee has been replaced so that they can re-tread the old Judas Contract theme. M'gann is nowhere to be seen and the years and years of development given to Rose is all non-existant.

However, i think the biggest insult to me was what they did to Helena Bertinelli. Not only did they kill her, but they basically erased her entire history of being the Huntress. Now she was just a mob bosses daughter who got killed and had her Identity taken over by the current Huntress. I was going to look into Worlds Finest until I read that part in the preview for issue #1.

I also miss Ivy's green skin, but for whatever reason DC is hell bent on changing green skinned characters who aren't from Mars. As for Barbara, I was really hoping that she wouldn't be Batgirl again. I loved her as Batgirl, but she did so much more with herself aferward. She created her own identity, not one that was based off of someone else. She made her own name and really established herself as something of her own. It would be like Dick going back to being Robin after he had created such a strong individual identity as Nightwing. Her going back to Batgirl leaves an Oracle void while also kicking many other characters away from being Batgirl.

As for Raven, I am holding high hopes for her mostly because she is one of the last chances DC has to redeem themselves to me. She will definitely be showing up when the War of Sins starts up, but if she shows up anytime sooner, my bets would be that it will happen in Ravagers. My only fear is that she may make her entrances into the DCnU as a villain. I know she won't stay that way, I'd just rather not have to go through a whole "Evil Raven" arc before we can get to how her real self will be treated. Anyway, time will see one way or the other.

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