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#1  Edited By Ramtha07

Martian wins. 
 
And to everyone, you do realize 'death_and_decay' & 'better_than_you' are one and the same person? Read their respective styles. It's obvious. He likes arguing with himself to antagonize and perpetuate the debate, trolling, flaming and drawing attention. 
 
It's the same dude as Battle_Scarred_Shogun, I_bomb_atomically and other such alts that have been banned. He's argued with himself before.  
 
Just a heads up. Carry on.
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#2  Edited By Ramtha07
@Youngcircle said:


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                    Ragdoll curbstomps...

                   

               
LOL... you are kidding aren't you? Ragdoll hears SNIKT then goes limp.

                   

               
Ragdoll dodges Logan's pathetic attacks and kicks TKO's him..

                   

               

Ya, ya I get it... you make a home for yourself under the bridge then come out when ya gets bored. Got it. Ragdoll's busts out his class 100 strength and level 7 fighting skills and TKO's Logan with a kick. Likely scenario.
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#3  Edited By Ramtha07
@Youngcircle said:


                    Ragdoll curbstomps...

                   

               

LOL... you are kidding aren't you? Ragdoll hears SNIKT then goes limp.
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#4  Edited By Ramtha07
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                    @Ramtha07: No you did not get my point. What i meant, is that his reflexes alone, are enough to dodge some of their hits, not that they will allow him to hold his own too long. Just that they are enough to dodge some of their strikes. Sorry for not being clear. :)

                   

               

Okies. :)
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#5  Edited By Ramtha07
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                    @Ramtha07: We're like the immovable object meets the unstoppable force when it comes to Wolverine vs. Spiderman.   LOL, very true!!!!  As i said, Peter has stated that he let Logan tackle him and that happened, because he knew that the hit was not meant to kill him, IMO. The previous attempts of Logan to stab Peter during the fight, have all failed as you know, As for their other fights, i have already explained the conditions behind them. Of course they are no slow at all and their speed certainly matters when they face faster people, but they are nothing that spidey' reflexes can not handle alone. Add and the spider-sense and i just don't see them hitting him.  I agree about deathok. :)

                   

               

True... he states that he does indeed let Logan tackle him... but there is no way Spiderman's reflexes alone, sans Spidersense, could handle opponents as skilled as Wolverine and Iron First (or CA etc. etc.). 
That's really stretching things too far... he NEEDS his spidersense to counteract his fail fighting abilities... come on now... can you not at least admit to that? :)
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#6  Edited By Ramtha07
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                    @Ramtha07: There was no reason to mention that since there was no way for spidey to dodge that hit considering his positions and that Logan was over him. This had nothing to do with his spider-sense. But again, as i said, skilled fighters tag faster people because they can predict and read their moves. Spidey can counter that skill, because of that he knows where his opponent's next strike will be landed, combined super human reflexes that allow him to see faster objects moving in slow motion and so you can judge them as long as you can since you will always know what they will do. At least for me, that's more than enough to be a tough target for any martial artist.  And it has already been shown, when Danny has trouble tagging soldiers from smythe's bug army and when spider-man was actually able to dodge most of Danny;s hits when he was in the dark. Btw, thanks for the short post. :)

                   

               

My pleasure! :) 
We're like the immovable object meets the unstoppable force when it comes to Wolverine vs. Spiderman. 
However, that pic is very worthy of mention as Logan actually tackles Spiderman. That's three times in their career Logan grabs/tackles and/or pins Spidey. Not to mention the hits. Everything to do with the spidersense.Spidey can counter skill indeed or he'd be dead many times over. But not indefinitely and not invariably. Let's not forget, Wolverine, Iron Fist and gang are NOT slow pokes either! 
Deathlock however, has yet to impress enough in either skill or speed to convince he can overpower Peter's spidersense.
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#7  Edited By Ramtha07
@god_spawn said:


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                    @Youngcircle said:

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                    Emma wins. Due to Fraction making Psylocke susceptible to telepathy once again this fight will be forced into a telepathic battle. Frost's sheer out put of power and skill is greater than Psylocke's. People can bring up the TK daggers and Psylocke's fighting skills the problem is, Frost isn't stupid enough to let her get close.  Emma would push this into a telepathic battle, which Psylocke would have to try and block Emma. If Psylocke is focusing on blocking someone of Emma's level i highly doubt she would try to use her TK daggers and get in close. The moment she lets up once on her TP she is screwed, she will be forced into a dead lock and fall.

                   

               
Psylocke cuts Frosts legs with her Psi swords after a good battle...

                   

               
Prove it. Emma can force this into a telepathic battle. Neither person is stupid and Psylocke knows she has to get this to a h2h combat while Frost knows she has to get this in to a TP battle.  The fact Psylocke  is outskilled and overpowered in telepathy is why she loses. She has to get in close to use her TK daggers and Psi sword and if she were to engage Emma telepathically it would require complete focus to compete with Ms. Frost and if she lets up for a second to focus on something else like another power she is screwed.

                   

               
Emma still has to choose between TP and diamond form does she not? Meaning she cannot use her TP whilst in diamond form and vice versa? Do you not see Psylocke's psychic resistance/ TP strong enough to focus on blocking Emma long enough to take her down? Physically, Psylocke would one shot a non-diamond form Emma... it's worth checking really... if Psylocke were smart, she would simply hold Emma off with TP without engaging in an all out TP war and take her out...

                   

               
Read my earlier posts. Neither person is stupid. Psylocke and Emma both know Psylocke has the the h2h and close range advantage. But both know Emma is the superior skilled and powered telepath. Psylocke no longer has the immunity to tp thx to Fraction as i stated earlier. Emma will force this into a telepathic battle and since she is more powerful than Psylocke, which Psylocke again knows this, will have to focus completely on resisting Emma or trying to overpower her. She can't afford to let up on anything, her telepathy and resistance isn't as strong as it used to be. Once she lets up to try and close in, Emma wins, she overpowers her right there, all without the need of resorting to diamond form.

                   

               

With respect, I did read your earlier posts. I simply doubt the conclusion. I feel Psylocke can multi task long enough to close the distance. This is where we differ in opinion. She can engage in TP defense without taxing all her energies and going on the offense. And, to use your terminology, she can thereby force Emma to split her focus to the physical confrontation that would be flying up in her face within mere seconds as well. It's not like Psylocke has to automatically stop, sit in meditative posture, and pour all her efforts right away into the TP war if she stays on the defensive ... she can be evasive and choose not to play Emma's game right off the bat. Psylocke has more skills at her disposal and has been shown using them simulaneously (TP and Martial)  to her advantage... just my opinion.
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#8  Edited By Ramtha07
@spidey 15: 
 
I'll keep my responses as short as possible. Spiderman has never been written as untouchable or unhittable. That was never the intention behind the character. And in the graveyard fight, Wolverine did more than 'punch Spiderman in the stomach' 
 
Tackles Spiderman to the ground, punches him soundly in the face (without claws). So you weren't entirely accurate there. Claws out and Spidey would be dead. Spiderman is not untouchable. His spidersense is not fool proof. Like I've told you before (respectfully) I can know in advance what an elite fighter will do to me, but if I chose to engage in hand to hand with him, all the superior speed in the world won't save me from getting knocked out before too long. Spiderman is the hardest Jack to tag among the street leveler elite, I agree, but he can be as serious as he wants to be, it doesn't stop him from taking hits nor should it -  nor is him getting hit PIS.
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#9  Edited By Ramtha07
@god_spawn said:


                    @Youngcircle said:

@god_spawn said:


                    Emma wins. Due to Fraction making Psylocke susceptible to telepathy once again this fight will be forced into a telepathic battle. Frost's sheer out put of power and skill is greater than Psylocke's. People can bring up the TK daggers and Psylocke's fighting skills the problem is, Frost isn't stupid enough to let her get close.  Emma would push this into a telepathic battle, which Psylocke would have to try and block Emma. If Psylocke is focusing on blocking someone of Emma's level i highly doubt she would try to use her TK daggers and get in close. The moment she lets up once on her TP she is screwed, she will be forced into a dead lock and fall.

                   

               
Psylocke cuts Frosts legs with her Psi swords after a good battle...

                   

               
Prove it. Emma can force this into a telepathic battle. Neither person is stupid and Psylocke knows she has to get this to a h2h combat while Frost knows she has to get this in to a TP battle.  The fact Psylocke  is outskilled and overpowered in telepathy is why she loses. She has to get in close to use her TK daggers and Psi sword and if she were to engage Emma telepathically it would require complete focus to compete with Ms. Frost and if she lets up for a second to focus on something else like another power she is screwed.

                   

               

Emma still has to choose between TP and diamond form does she not? Meaning she cannot use her TP whilst in diamond form and vice versa? 
Do you not see Psylocke's psychic resistance/ TP strong enough to focus on blocking Emma long enough to take her down? Physically, Psylocke would one shot a non-diamond form Emma... it's worth checking really... if Psylocke were smart, she would simply hold Emma off with TP without engaging in an all out TP war and take her out...
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#10  Edited By Ramtha07
@spidey 15 said:


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                    Untouchable =/= God  Thor = God = Touchable   I can see a difference... :)

                   

               
Fail logic!

                   

               
You do realize i was being sarcastic, right? 
 
@Ramtha07 said:

@spidey 15 said:


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                    @Ramtha07: 

does not have the fighting skills of a Wolverine or an Iron Fist and should, therefore, not be able to hand to hand his way past Spiderman's reflexes, speed and spidersense.

Neither Danny or Logan can.... :P  :P :P

                   

               
"Shakes his fist" while muttering beneath his breath "mayhaps not in your world, but they most certainly have in the wonderful world of comics dammit!" :)

                   

               
Also, in the wonderful world of comics Spider-man can beat firelord...  :)

                   

               

Ah... but has he done so consistently?
No, but he has consistently shown that he has the ability to be untouchable when he wants to.... :)

                   

               

Yes I do realize you were being sarcastic (no worries!) :) 
 
However... your last statement is still fail logic in my opinion. Spiderman getting hit or not is merely circumstantial. Because Spiderman, when faced with potentially lethal strikes... ALWAYS wants to avoid. To say otherwise is rubbish really. Gee, there's Rhino's fist, adamantium laced claws, lightening, bullets, (etc. etc.) flying at my face. Let's not be serious for a while shall we and let myself get hit ... 
Being snarky a bit there just to make a point. A point that should have sunk in ages ago. Really, your logic doesn't make sense.  
1) Spiderman has been serious in fights and gotten hit. 
2) Spiderman has been serious in fights and has not gotten it. 
3) Spiderman has goofed off in fights and gotten hit. 
4) Spiderman has goofed off in fights and NOT gotten hit. 
Conclusion: Spiderman's ability to use spidersense and speed to avoid damage is circumstantial. Meaning based on many outstanding variables. One of them being the skill of his opponent. I repeat here; Spiderman is not a hand to hand specialist. This is a weakness. There are skills and combat abilities he cannot avoid indefinitely through speed and precog alone. Skilled opponents can, will and should be able to hit him. He lacks technique which, in hand to hand, is second to none in level of importance. Spiderman is not a complete package. He has holes in his game. One of them being combat skills (nonexistent) He has weaknesses that have been exploited again and again in comics. 
I simply feel DL does not have the skill to exploit Peter's weakness.