@rouflex said:
@raiiyn said:
@immovableray said:
@raiiyn said:
@immovableray said:
@raiiyn said:
@immovableray said:
I don't agree with victim-blaming. It's not one's own fault that a random dude wants to rape you. But I still do believe that not roaming around alone and drunk at the same time is unsafe. The world is a crazy place. You shouldn't do things that might endanger you, even if you have the freedom to do them.
That's like a random racist dude going into the hood dressed in his KKK uniform. I mean he has the right to do that, but c'mon. We know what would happen. This is similar.
If someone responds, please don't put words in my mouth. I'm not victim blaming.
I pretty much agree with the sentiments here.. except that the issue here is that the women aren't roaming around alone and drunk. They are going from bar to cab to go home which is supposed to be the responsible thing to do. And yet the cab driver's are sexually assaulting them.
That's not the responsible thing to do. Getting into a vehicle, alone and drunk is a no-no in my opinion. In retrospect, do you agree?
Why is getting into a vehicle that is meant for such a purpose as taking you home and who's revenue is made mostly from taking drunk people home at 2am be wrong?
What should you do then? If you can't walk home alone and you shouldn't get into a vehicle do you sleep on the bars steps until morning?
I didn't say it was "wrong" per se. I said it was irresponsible. You shouldn't really be getting drunk alone unless you are at home. If you are a female, in public, alone and drunk, your chances of being raped have gone up astronomically. That is reckless and endangering of yourself.
What should you do? You should try not getting drunk. Or getting drunk alone in private. Or getting drunk in public with a sober friend. It's honestly that simple.
she wasn't alone... she went HOME alone. Of course, that was very wrong of her. She should have brought someone home to have a one night stand with so she would be protected from untoward advances obviously. What was she thinking?
So people shouldn't get drunk then... if you get drunk alone you are an alcoholic. That is something NO ONE should do. Why would you want to be sober around drunk people? Half the fun of drinking is drinking together with people... as in everyone sips on something and cracks jokes.
Oh boy someone is getting pumped up.
*waves hand* Don't worry, Green Lantern's got this.
If she went home alone, then at the time of the incident she was alone. We're talking about the incident. And I didn't say she should have brought a one night stand. Don't put words in my mouth, only food is allowed there. You say she wasn't alone while she was in the bar? Then the person she was with should have been sober and monitored her until she was in private.
Stop with the strawman. People can get drunk. But it's obviously safer to get drunk in private or surrounded by peers--not strangers. Maybe the sober person will feel annoyed around the drunk person(s) but at least everyone is safe. Again, not victim-blaming but steps could have been taking to prevent this dilemma.
Why is it the responsibility of the victim to ensure things like this don't happen? Why are the steps to prevent occurrences such as these steps the victims should or could have taken instead of steps that the companies involved or society in general should be or could be taking? Why is it the victims or potential victims responsibility to prevent their being assaulted instead of the responsibility of the industry, companies and law enforcement? Especially in this specific scenario involving the assaulter being a taxi driver.
I didn't put those words there. I said them. Sarcastically. Because the implications that you and the SPVM have made pretty much insinuate the same thing. And deserve the same sarcastic responses.
And you're right, this is less victim blaming so much as victim blasting.
The fact that a woman is alone has no bearing on this incident principally. You're literally stating that the fact she was alone opened her up to this situation (which is actually victim blaming... as the SPVM has done). You also seem incapable of taking the context of this solitude into consideration. Someone, male or female, being alone and going home in a taxi should not merit need for precautions against sexual assault.
So if the people you are with when drinking should monitor you... does that mean that you walk/take all your friends home after a night of fun? And if so, who takes you home and takes responsibility for you then? Im curious if you practice what you preach. Cause if you do that take the ridiculousness to a whole new level, even for CV.
There should be no need for anyone to be monitoring anyone or to have a sober companion to keep you safe if you are having a few beers at a bar with friends. That's the equivalent of saying all women should have someone around them to protect them at all time. Super condescending and sexist. <--- And these words come from the biggest anti-feminazismist on the planet.
It's actually less safe to drunk in private. If you are alone and get alcohol poisoning or stumble and hurt yourself due to your intoxication you'd be dead before anyone knew probably. More safe to drink around people. Also, again Im curious. If you drink, do you make sure there is a sober person there to keep you safe? And no not a designated driver, a designated caretaker as you pretty say people should have when drinking?
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