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#1 Edited by Raiiyn (3619 posts) - - Show Bio

@rouflex said:

@raiiyn said:

@immovableray said:

@raiiyn said:

@immovableray said:

@raiiyn said:

@immovableray said:

I don't agree with victim-blaming. It's not one's own fault that a random dude wants to rape you. But I still do believe that not roaming around alone and drunk at the same time is unsafe. The world is a crazy place. You shouldn't do things that might endanger you, even if you have the freedom to do them.

That's like a random racist dude going into the hood dressed in his KKK uniform. I mean he has the right to do that, but c'mon. We know what would happen. This is similar.

If someone responds, please don't put words in my mouth. I'm not victim blaming.

I pretty much agree with the sentiments here.. except that the issue here is that the women aren't roaming around alone and drunk. They are going from bar to cab to go home which is supposed to be the responsible thing to do. And yet the cab driver's are sexually assaulting them.

That's not the responsible thing to do. Getting into a vehicle, alone and drunk is a no-no in my opinion. In retrospect, do you agree?

Why is getting into a vehicle that is meant for such a purpose as taking you home and who's revenue is made mostly from taking drunk people home at 2am be wrong?

What should you do then? If you can't walk home alone and you shouldn't get into a vehicle do you sleep on the bars steps until morning?

I didn't say it was "wrong" per se. I said it was irresponsible. You shouldn't really be getting drunk alone unless you are at home. If you are a female, in public, alone and drunk, your chances of being raped have gone up astronomically. That is reckless and endangering of yourself.

What should you do? You should try not getting drunk. Or getting drunk alone in private. Or getting drunk in public with a sober friend. It's honestly that simple.

she wasn't alone... she went HOME alone. Of course, that was very wrong of her. She should have brought someone home to have a one night stand with so she would be protected from untoward advances obviously. What was she thinking?

So people shouldn't get drunk then... if you get drunk alone you are an alcoholic. That is something NO ONE should do. Why would you want to be sober around drunk people? Half the fun of drinking is drinking together with people... as in everyone sips on something and cracks jokes.

Oh boy someone is getting pumped up.

*waves hand* Don't worry, Green Lantern's got this.

If she went home alone, then at the time of the incident she was alone. We're talking about the incident. And I didn't say she should have brought a one night stand. Don't put words in my mouth, only food is allowed there. You say she wasn't alone while she was in the bar? Then the person she was with should have been sober and monitored her until she was in private.

Stop with the strawman. People can get drunk. But it's obviously safer to get drunk in private or surrounded by peers--not strangers. Maybe the sober person will feel annoyed around the drunk person(s) but at least everyone is safe. Again, not victim-blaming but steps could have been taking to prevent this dilemma.

Why is it the responsibility of the victim to ensure things like this don't happen? Why are the steps to prevent occurrences such as these steps the victims should or could have taken instead of steps that the companies involved or society in general should be or could be taking? Why is it the victims or potential victims responsibility to prevent their being assaulted instead of the responsibility of the industry, companies and law enforcement? Especially in this specific scenario involving the assaulter being a taxi driver.

I didn't put those words there. I said them. Sarcastically. Because the implications that you and the SPVM have made pretty much insinuate the same thing. And deserve the same sarcastic responses.

And you're right, this is less victim blaming so much as victim blasting.

The fact that a woman is alone has no bearing on this incident principally. You're literally stating that the fact she was alone opened her up to this situation (which is actually victim blaming... as the SPVM has done). You also seem incapable of taking the context of this solitude into consideration. Someone, male or female, being alone and going home in a taxi should not merit need for precautions against sexual assault.

So if the people you are with when drinking should monitor you... does that mean that you walk/take all your friends home after a night of fun? And if so, who takes you home and takes responsibility for you then? Im curious if you practice what you preach. Cause if you do that take the ridiculousness to a whole new level, even for CV.

There should be no need for anyone to be monitoring anyone or to have a sober companion to keep you safe if you are having a few beers at a bar with friends. That's the equivalent of saying all women should have someone around them to protect them at all time. Super condescending and sexist. <--- And these words come from the biggest anti-feminazismist on the planet.

It's actually less safe to drunk in private. If you are alone and get alcohol poisoning or stumble and hurt yourself due to your intoxication you'd be dead before anyone knew probably. More safe to drink around people. Also, again Im curious. If you drink, do you make sure there is a sober person there to keep you safe? And no not a designated driver, a designated caretaker as you pretty say people should have when drinking?

#2 Edited by Raiiyn (3619 posts) - - Show Bio

@laflux: d'awwwh

**pats head**

chu know i lurvez you and your threads ^.^

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#4 Posted by Raiiyn (3619 posts) - - Show Bio

@raiiyn said:

@immovableray said:

@raiiyn said:

@immovableray said:

I don't agree with victim-blaming. It's not one's own fault that a random dude wants to rape you. But I still do believe that not roaming around alone and drunk at the same time is unsafe. The world is a crazy place. You shouldn't do things that might endanger you, even if you have the freedom to do them.

That's like a random racist dude going into the hood dressed in his KKK uniform. I mean he has the right to do that, but c'mon. We know what would happen. This is similar.

If someone responds, please don't put words in my mouth. I'm not victim blaming.

I pretty much agree with the sentiments here.. except that the issue here is that the women aren't roaming around alone and drunk. They are going from bar to cab to go home which is supposed to be the responsible thing to do. And yet the cab driver's are sexually assaulting them.

That's not the responsible thing to do. Getting into a vehicle, alone and drunk is a no-no in my opinion. In retrospect, do you agree?

Why is getting into a vehicle that is meant for such a purpose as taking you home and who's revenue is made mostly from taking drunk people home at 2am be wrong?

What should you do then? If you can't walk home alone and you shouldn't get into a vehicle do you sleep on the bars steps until morning?

I didn't say it was "wrong" per se. I said it was irresponsible. You shouldn't really be getting drunk alone unless you are at home. If you are a female, in public, alone and drunk, your chances of being raped have gone up astronomically. That is reckless and endangering of yourself.

What should you do? You should try not getting drunk. Or getting drunk alone in private. Or getting drunk in public with a sober friend. It's honestly that simple.

she wasn't alone... she went HOME alone. Of course, that was very wrong of her. She should have brought someone home to have a one night stand with so she would be protected from untoward advances obviously. What was she thinking?

So people shouldn't get drunk then... if you get drunk alone you are an alcoholic. That is something NO ONE should do. Why would you want to be sober around drunk people? Half the fun of drinking is drinking together with people... as in everyone sips on something and cracks jokes.

#5 Posted by Raiiyn (3619 posts) - - Show Bio

@laflux said:

I love a feminist b!tch, it gets my d!ck hard :)

Ew.

Also, any thread Laflux makes pretty much irritates the F out of me 0_0

#6 Posted by Raiiyn (3619 posts) - - Show Bio

@raiiyn said:

@immovableray said:

I don't agree with victim-blaming. It's not one's own fault that a random dude wants to rape you. But I still do believe that not roaming around alone and drunk at the same time is unsafe. The world is a crazy place. You shouldn't do things that might endanger you, even if you have the freedom to do them.

That's like a random racist dude going into the hood dressed in his KKK uniform. I mean he has the right to do that, but c'mon. We know what would happen. This is similar.

If someone responds, please don't put words in my mouth. I'm not victim blaming.

I pretty much agree with the sentiments here.. except that the issue here is that the women aren't roaming around alone and drunk. They are going from bar to cab to go home which is supposed to be the responsible thing to do. And yet the cab driver's are sexually assaulting them.

That's not the responsible thing to do. Getting into a vehicle, alone and drunk is a no-no in my opinion. In retrospect, do you agree?

Why is getting into a vehicle that is meant for such a purpose as taking you home and who's revenue is made mostly from taking drunk people home at 2am be wrong?

What should you do then? If you can't walk home alone and you shouldn't get into a vehicle do you sleep on the bars steps until morning?

#7 Edited by Raiiyn (3619 posts) - - Show Bio

@video: she didnt take a stranger home... a cab driver assaulted her while she was trying to go home ALONE

@hayden86 said:

So much to troll so little time. Post this on 4chan and lets watch our hopes in humanity die a little more.

I honestly don't think I have any hope left as it is...

I don't think the cop said anything wrong in that statement. About the statement saying that victims are usually drunk. I don't think the average citizen would know whether this is true or not. He is a cop and has probably dealt with many rape cases before and might be stating something about his past experiences/observations.

Criminals look for opportunities and advantages on potential victims. Drinking makes people vulnerable, man or woman. Telling people to travel and be with a friend is common sense to safety especially at night in a car with a total stranger. Unless I'm missing something here, I don't see problem.

It's the fact that he's addressing the wrong issue. The issue is that cab companies should be vetting their employees and people shouldn't be having to take precautions when getting into a cab to the extreme he's saying. This isn't just a case of getting a ride home from a stranger. This is COMMISSIONING, EMPLOYING, HIRING a PROFESSIONAL to take you to your destination in a HIRED vehicle. It's a business. A legitimate business that many people use. A business who's purpose at 2am is usually to take people home. Not try to rape them in the back seat.

In essence, the statement implies this:

"So basically women in MTL are being sexually assaulted in cabs and the cops are saying well you know rape victims are usually drunk so try not to do that and if you are drunk and need to go home, don't get into a taxi alone because you know you that's just asking for it I mean, hey you're the one who's being vulnerable here, it's totally your fault for being drunk and taking a taxi home alone. Maybe if you hooked up with someone you wouldn't be getting sexually assaulted in the first place"

And the same sh!t applies to men. If you don't bring a chick home to bang and you get raped cause you was alone in a cab... totally your fault bruh.

#8 Posted by Raiiyn (3619 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't agree with victim-blaming. It's not one's own fault that a random dude wants to rape you. But I still do believe that not roaming around alone and drunk at the same time is unsafe. The world is a crazy place. You shouldn't do things that might endanger you, even if you have the freedom to do them.

That's like a random racist dude going into the hood dressed in his KKK uniform. I mean he has the right to do that, but c'mon. We know what would happen. This is similar.

If someone responds, please don't put words in my mouth. I'm not victim blaming.

I pretty much agree with the sentiments here.. except that the issue here is that the women aren't roaming around alone and drunk. They are going from bar to cab to go home which is supposed to be the responsible thing to do. And yet the cab driver's are sexually assaulting them.

#9 Posted by Raiiyn (3619 posts) - - Show Bio

@rouflex said:

They give recommandations, they never said the cause of the rape was alcohol or every woman who take alcohol should share a taxi, all they are saying is to moderate yourself, call a taxi with your phone instead of saying ''HEY TAXI'', Share a taxi if you can while you are really drunk, everytime you go in a taxi take a picture of the guy who drive the taxi, ask him the name and the number of the office (If you ask they are in the obligation to give it) cause the person might not be in position to drive the taxi (Impostor or else). Nothing wrong in my opinion cause mans should do the same.

The Translation

@raiiyn said:

''Le SPVM recommande aux femmes de ne pas prendre un taxi seules si elles sont en état d'ébriété. « Ça peut être bien de partager un taxi si on peut le faire ou limiter sa consommation d'alcool et rester en contrôle, parce que malheureusement dans beaucoup de cas d'agressions, les victimes avaient consommé de l'alcool. Ça peut contribuer à se mettre en situation de vulnérabilité ce qu'on ne leur souhaite pas», explique le sergent Gingras.''

The SPVM recommend to womans to not take a taxi if they are alone and drunk (Intoxicated). «Its can be good to share a taxi if we can or limit the amount of alcohol we take and stay in control, because unfortunatly, in many cases of sexual agressions , the victims had consume alcohol. Its COULD (Not would) contribute to put yourself into a situation of vulnerability which is not something we wish« explain the Seargeant Gingras.

@raiiyn said:

@rouflex as-tu déjà entendu parler de cette événement?

Ton francais n'est pas parfait (Je ne te juge pas, c'est une remarque) mais la réponse est non, C'est la première fois que j'entends parler de cette événement. Mais je pensais que tu m'haissais ce n'est pas le cas :P? Entk, voilà c'est fait ^_^!

Why should you have to do that though? (There should be a license with a picture on the back of the drivers or passengers seat and in the front seat as well but that's more than besides the point) And why share a taxi if you are going home? Not everyone lives with people or in the same area as other people... You're totally buying into this victim blaming... And actually in this scenario... it's would not could... your translation is kind of poor in this case, mon ami. You've managed to completely change the tone of what is being said... and missed some punctuation that really adds to the whole victim blaming going on here... I mean, in french what is being said is very condescending and judgemental...not helpful. Yes, there is some useful advice.. but they're avoiding the real issue... that those precautions should be needed to take a taxi home, regardless of gender. This isn't walking home along, this is calling a taxi to take to your place of residence after a night out which is the responsible thing to do instead of walking home alone int he middle of the night. Hell, I feel safer walking home and talking to the homeless now. A very large part of revenue for taxi companies... especially in Montreal.

Je ne savais pas que je devais faire des phrases complètes...Je veux dire, ta phrase est correcte, c'est juste beaucoup de mots inutiles pour demander " hear about this?". Hmmm possible, je ne me souviens pas.

#10 Posted by Raiiyn (3619 posts) - - Show Bio

@i_like_swords: What about the part where he says not drinking as much? Because I can promise you the girl who was attacked saturday wasn't really drunk. She fought him off and got away... if she was super drunk... doubt that would have happened. Plus, i understand the whole minimizing your risks bit... but getting into a cab to go home after drinking is the responsible thing people are supposed to do and cab companies should be screening their employees better.

The SPVM have definitely been victim blaming here. It's not like the poor girl was getting trashed and taken advantage of while being trashed. She was taken advantage of in a situation where she was being responsible by not walking home alone after being out late with friends.