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@flolikeyou: Definitely a fair point, I would probably down play the hand ninjas just a touch though. I believe the likes of Colleen were able to beat them right?

I can definitely see the argument for Matt being more skilled but I would say that it IS close given that Cap has performed very well against opponents with a much bigger physical gap than Matt's opponents. Matt has also struggled against Fisk too despite the gap being much smaller than say Cap and Ultron.

Would it be fair to say that Matt's skill set makes him much more suitable and better than Cap at fighting large amounts of skilled opponents but not as effective when it comes to fighting opponents who are physically stronger than himself? Compared to Cap, who's defensive style and skill set make him a perfect counter to opponents stronger than himself.

@flolikeyou: On what basis though?

I feel like Matt's best skill feats come from fighting people above him in strength like Black Sky.

But I'd argue that Cap's skill feats against physically superior opponents (eg. Iron Man, War Machine, Ultron) are just as impressive.

From a pure technique / choreography perspective, they're more or less on par with each other in terms of the techniques they use.

They both regularly employ boxing, Muay Thai, Krav Maga and Tae Kwon Do but if anything, I'd say Cap has a slightly more varied style in that he takes it to the ground more often and employs jiu jitsu.

@deutschkurzhaar: The only in-universe source to say this has been a wall at the Smithsonian. Perhaps in the original First Avenger, they intended for Cap to be "peak human" but the directors and Kevin Feige have all clearly pivoted on this and his feats back this up.

In Black Panther, they explicitly state that T'Challa has superhuman strength. Ryan Coogler and Kevin Feige have also stated this in interviews. T'Challa and Cap were shown to be at similar levels of strength and fought to a stalemate.

The official canon MCU handbook also states that Red Skull was given "superhuman" strength and speed by the serum.

Most recently, the Wakanda Files (a canon information source) have stated that"he has the ability to bench-press several tons".

But this is all a bit of a moot point, because regardless of whether he's "peak human" or "superhuman", his FEATS put him at a level FAR, FAR, FAR beyond Daredevil when it comes to strength and durability.

@the_gaurdian: Getting in a grappling situation with someone ten times stronger than you wouldn't be wise, I imagine.

@deutschkurzhaar: He's more than peak human, he's been explicitly stated in a few databooks to be "superhuman".

DD could MAYBE (and that's a big maybe) get more hits in but he is someone who gets REGULARLY tagged and hit by REGULAR human and UNSKILLED fighters. He's not a defensive fighter at all and primarily relies on offense.

This is the WORST possible fighting style to have against Cap. Because while Daredevil will definitely hit Cap, he will also DEFINITELY get hit by Cap too. And it's not going to take many hits for Cap to put Daredevil down.

And this isn't even taking into account that the skill gap is NOT large at all and they are very evenly matched, with Matt having a slight advantage. But that doesn't at all make up for the HUGE gap in strength and durability.

Plus, your assertion that Matt knows more fighting styles is a fallacy as Cap has displayed just as many fighting styles as Matt in the MCU and the Russos have stated that he used his eidetic memory to master each one. You also mentioned pressure points, but that's not a big part of Matt's fighting style and something he rarely if ever employs in any of his fights.

Bottom line is, Matt's getting knocked out.

Thanos is significantly faster than Doctor Strange and his sword throws have been fast enough to tag significantly faster characters than Strange, move faster than Captain Marvel (in atmosphere and likely not at full speed, but still impressive) and break sorcery shields. That's his only shot.

If he throws his sword right at the start of the battle, Strange will likely not have enough time to react given his average human reflexes and even if he does, his shield will be broken and creating a portal takes more time.

But if he doesn't do this, all Strange has to do is BFR him and Thanos can't avoid that forever.

@deutschkurzhaar:

You're vastly underestimating the huge gap in strength and durability that make it near impossible for one Matt Murdock alone to beat Cap.

MCU Cap is a legitimate superhuman who has been confirmed multiple times (including in the latest MCU databook) to be able to lift MULTIPLE TONS. He's tanked multiple hits from the likes of Iron Man, Spider-Man, Ultron and Loki.

It doesn't matter how skilled Matt is, weight classes exist for a reason and Cap is simply in a FAR higher weight class than Matt.

This would be like a UFC lightweight going up against a UFC heavyweight.

Experience is also not the be all and end all. Experience doesn't necessarily equate to skill or talent. Talented fighters can be much more skilled than fighters with a lot more experience than them.

I DO think Matt is more skilled than Cap, but the gap isn't HUGE given Cap's natural talent and eidetic memory. But more importantly, Matt's advantage in skill is nowhere near big enough to close the ENORMOUS gap in their physical capabilities. Matt just doesn't have the power to put Cap down and wouldn't stand up to more than a few hits from Cap on a good day.

By feats, Bruce.

By actually analysing their level of fighting technique, T'Challa by a STAGGERING margin.

Bruce displayed TERRIBLE technique throughout the series. Incredibly slow, sloppy and telegraphed strikes. Very little variety at all in his technique. And a hilariously impractical martial art as his base.

I think you completely misread what I wrote.

Well, good for you, I'm not saying that this is the way you should be making your movie decisions, you said you couldn't understand why people would do this, so I gave you my particular reasons.

And sure, I often disagree with the reviews but they're a much more reliable factor for me than trailers.

I feel like a lot of the time when people say "I don't understand why people do this", it's more that they can't fathom someone thinking differently to themselves.