@beatboks1 said:
@Postacrat said:
So you don't think soloing the titans on a few occasions constitutes enough fortification for a possible win or tie for her? What about her recent showings against YJ be it canon or not? I don't think it is impossible for Cheshire to win here.
1. please point put where I've even stated who wins this battle. The fact is I haven't as yet. I've simply answered some questions about the character. You stated she was 2nd to Shiva which in H2H she certainly is not. The way in which she might be doesn't enter into this battle due to set up.
2. When Jade soloed the titans it wasn't purely with H2H on any of the occasions. She used weapons, prep, planning, and circumstance. As OP states no weapons or gear her soloing feats are not at issue.
3. CV rules state current versions of characters unless stated otherwise. Currently Cheshire is no where near the character she was when she soloed the Titans
Natalia has the advantage of the enhancement similar to Captain America's SSS, that jade doesn't, has the advantage of a very confined fighting area which doesn't favor Jade's style. Jade's sole advantage is her tripple jointed flexibility which since Natalia is also flexible isn't much of one. If your going to push me into a choice than BW wins this in a close one.
1. You don't have to point out a winner ok nor do you need to state one. Your disputing me on my claims of Cheshire winning in this battle, why would you be doing that unless you felt Black widow would be the clear winner? Every point you have made is a testament to that, I knew who you were going for without you even needing to mention it. I'm not an idiot if your predominant theory about the winner of this battle was so ambiguous, none of the aforementioned reconnaissance would point to BW so blatantly. Now it's my turn to correct you, I never stated Cheshire was # 2 to Shiva in pure H2H but I did state that she is Number #2 Assassin. In the DC universe those two things usually go hand and hand. It's very rare someone would be compared to Lady Shiva in the ways of the killing arts but not comparable in H2H.
2. Black Widow wouldn't be able to solo the Titans with pure hand to hand technique anymore than Cheshire. She also would need prep, and whatever tools available to her as well. I don't believe in a character changing unless it is stated in their ability set, regardless of how the writers may have been handling her she is still regarded as the # 2 Assassin in the DCU. There have been no databases or in panel statements that state otherwise.
3. Again just like I said in number 2, just because in recent books she has been portrayed by writers as not that great of a combatant does not automatically constitute as a change in her actual skill as juxtaposed to what is stated in her database bio and her ability set. The current Cheshire is the same Cheshire she has always been. It's not like what's been done to deadpool where you can easily see a re-work in his abilities making him suck now and his bio stats is a ramification of that. Those referable pieces of information still has her as number 2 assassin next to Shiva, until I see the database change to inexplicably reflect these showings people keep making mention of I stand by the facts in which I have researched. In closing I stated in my second post reply, I am merely stating what I have read, learned and researched, nobody has to agree with anything I'm saying...
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