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This is unfair, Thanos wrecks.

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@pope052: How do you think Grey Worm vs Lurtz would go down?

Grey Worm is good for his tier but Lurtz is too much. Aragorn, who has shown one man army capability on numerous occasions against plenty of Sandor-Clegane-on-steroids kind of opponents - heavily struggled beating Lurtz in single combat.

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Uruk-Hai, ruthless and overall superior warriors.

Even Orcs have easily overwhelmed the top tier armies of Gondor, Westerosi armies don't compare.

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#4  Edited By Pope052

@gearsecond659 said:

@pope052: BTW, mind if we keep this a short CaV and make it 2 post each as Hancock doesn't really have that much feats for this to be a 3 post CaV

Hulk doesn't really either honestly, want to even make it 3 posts each and have the last one as counters to what the other person has said or something like that? I just think 2 posts is short, but if you don't want to I'm cool with just doing 2 man.

Anyway, very good reply, should have a counter post up in a while or after work :)

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@pope052: Very nice post. My opener should be up tonight.

No problem, look forward to seeing it man, my reply should be tomorrow before work.

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#7  Edited By Pope052

@gearsecond659: Works over now and well, it certainly feels good to be back to the Vine, been far too long... :)

Anywho, after seeing Infinity War my urge to partake in a CAV again - specifically with Hulk (despite making an appearance in the film for a only a couple of minutes) oddly enough. Now, I will be referencing some content from Infinity War throughout this debate so just a heads up for anyone who still hasn't seen it, but I'm sure most of us have by now.

You may have Hancock, but I have the Hulk...

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This opener will be cut short and sweet, as I prefer to save most of Hulk's material for when you've said your piece for Hancock in order to counter points, etc. Having seen both the Avengers/Incredible Hulk and Hancock movies multiple times, I'm confident in Hulk taking the battle the majority of the time to say the least.

One of the main reasons being is that he has faced multiple beings superior to that of Hancock's foes and generally plays in a bigger ball park in comparison overall. The main advantages I'll give Hancock is maybe speed, and the ability to fly - although I doubt them sufficient to allow him to prevail here. While he is also very powerful in terms of strength, Hulk will be able to tank pretty much anything John can and will throw at him and send it back with more power - as well as anger.

When we get our first look at the Hulk in the Avengers, he causes utmost destruction and ends up battling Thor.

  • 0:38 - 0:41 - Effortlessly rips off a flight of metal stairs.
  • 1:20 - 1:30 - As he chases Black Widow, Hulk destroys a hallway as if running through thin air.
  • 1:34 - 1:40 - Thor spears him through a big metal wall, to which he is unphased.
  • 1:48 - 3:18 - Throughout his scrap with Thor, he shrugs off Thor's punches, sends him flying through a load of containers with a measly punch, takes a pretty much full force smack off Mjolnir which only made him angrier and caused him to crush a jet, and ends up overpowering Thor by throwing him around like a ragdoll.
  • 3:30 - 4:00 - Firepower from one of S.H.I.E.L.D's jets simply bounches off his skin. Hulk then leaps on top of the jet, tears it apart, catches the pilot the instant he ejects, then takes the explosion head on which sends him falling thousands of feet in the air and he survives with virtually no effect aside from reverting into Banner.

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While a few of them showings may seem petty overall, I'm simply analyzing each and every one of Hulk's feats for comparison. The most noteworthy to take from the above scene is tanking a powerful swing of Mjolnir, overpowering Thor, and coming out more or less unscathed after an explosion and falling from the height the hellicarrier was at. Hancock hasn't got the feats to suggest that he hits even close to as hard as Thor w/Mjolnir, so Hulk will be able to comfortably handle his hits without much trouble. Thor is also shown to be more durable than Hancock overall, and Hulk being able to fling him about is enough to say he can inflict damage to John easily.

I am aware that Thor, for the most part, outclasses Hulk as shown in Ragnarock. However, this was partly due to Thor having a very open arena to be able to fight so it was difficult for Hulk to properly get his hands on him. In the Hellicarrier, this was not the case and he was able to give Thor more trouble than he could handle at the time, so here it will be no different.

In regards to speed, I don't even think Hancock truly outmatches Hulk in this, it's more so his ability to fly that he has over Hulk. This is not a big issue however, as Hulk is seen to be very capable of handling flying Chitauri in the battle of New York.

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Speaking of that battle, there's plenty of more showings of Hulk's stats over Hancock here.

  • 3:30 - 3:45 - The infamous Leviathan feat. It's debatable whether Hulk killed the Leviathan with the punch, but either way it's an excellent showcase of his striking power being able to completely stop it in its tracks and send it overboard to the point where it was basically destroyed.
  • 4:04 - 4:20 - Hulk is able to leap great heights and take apart many Chitauri fairly quickly.
  • 6:17 - 6:27 - Another example of how quickly he can handle multiple enemies.
  • 11:57 - 12:08 - Catches Iron-Man when he was falling at a great speed and although in this video it was skipped, he lands from that building onto his back completely unharmed.

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From everything covered now, Hulk will be giving Hancock plenty of problems. I did a runthrough of the Hancock movie earlier on in order to set a comparison and from the original Avengers movie alone, I believe he'll have a comfortable win over John. Hancock's only notable opponent was Mary, and their fight only really consisted of crashing into concrete from great distances and occasional punches - they have several similar feats to Hulk's, however on a much lesser scale when looked at together. An impressive feat of Hancock's is stopping the train with ease, but Hulk managed to mess up a much bigger Leviathan with a punch. As well as this, he took a few moments to get himself out of the train after stopping it, so it'd be doubtful to say he could casually apply this force with each punch.

Aside from that, Hancock faced no one other than powerless thugs and criminals. When he fought in the air he was a bit sloppy, and otherwise didn't make any significant or noticeable use of his speed that would truly give him this advantage over Hulk or create many problems. Other than that, I believe Hulk outclasses him in physical stats and that's not including the more feats to come.

So, in summary...

  • Hulk has taken plenty of damage in every form to handle what Hancock can throw at him.
  • He has harmed and beaten foes on a level that Hancock isn't too well versed in.
  • Although Hancock can fly, Hulk is certainly fast enough to keep up with this and tag him just fine.
  • Hulk smash!

This is just a small opener for now man, your move, this should be fun :)

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@pope052 OP is up

Awesome, I have to go to work soon enough so would you like to open or wait?

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@gearsecond659: Yeah that'd actually be really interesting man, up for it?