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#1 Edited by pooty (10315 posts) - - Show Bio

@theamazingbatman:

Quran 16:93 If Allah so willed, He could make you all one people. But He leaves straying whom He pleases and He guides whom He pleases

What's this supposed to prove??

It proves that Allah predetermines who he will save. Nothing we do matters because Allah will guide who he pleases.

What are the contradictiona in the Quran portion???

1)Once verse says we decide whether we believe. the second says allah determines whether you believe.

2) one verse says allah causes evil. another says we bring evil upon ourselves

3) one verse says forgive and preach to the unbelievers. another says kill them

4) one verse says "if people don't believe then let them be. another says fight them until everyone is islam

5) in a previous post you said women and men are equal in Islam. Not true. men get double the inheritance. It takes 2 female witnesses to equal one male witness. men are allowed to have multiple wives. but women can't have multiple husbands. men are allowed to beat their wives. no equality there

#2 Posted by pooty (10315 posts) - - Show Bio

@matteopg said:

@pooty: well, let's say that people choose to remain ignorant about some topics, it's easier to mantain just some beliefs by doing it. Still, if you even do just a little bit of research you could find all of this out... the bad thing is that people don't.

The surprising thing is that most religious people didn't even read THE WHOLE text they supposedly base their faith on.

100% true

#3 Edited by pooty (10315 posts) - - Show Bio

@matteopg said:

@pooty: these are well known facts, and yet people say that the sacred texts are the exact word from god. A god who is perfect, omniscent and schizophrenic, if you believe that these texts are actually from him.

Couldn't be that they were written by multiple people during a large period of time?

I gotta disagree. Those are NOT well known facts. They SHOULD be. but most people don't read the Bible themselves. and the preachers...conveniently leave out the contradictions or come up with excuses. The Bible was written by multiple people during a large period of time. In the back of every bible it tells you who wrote each book. Some books have multiple writers. The bible was written by over 40 people. 40 people who claim they were inspired by God. The Quran was only written by one person who supposedly couldn't read when he wrote the scriptures.

#4 Posted by pooty (10315 posts) - - Show Bio

CONTRADICTIONS( and other facts) FROM THE QURAN:

6:12)
"It is they who have lost their own souls, that they will not believe10:100)
"No soul can believe except by the will of Allah

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".... If some good befalls them, they say "This is from Allah". But if evil, they say "This is from thee" (O prophet). Say: "All things are from Allah10:100)
"No soul can believe except by the will of Allah

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"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth45:14)
"Tell those who believe, to forgive those who do not hope for the Days of Allah; It is for Him to recompense (for good or evil) each people according to what they have earned

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"So if they dispute thee, say: "I have permitted my whole self to Allah and so have those who follow me"..... "Do you (also) submit yourselves? If they do, they are in right guidance. But if they turn back, thy duty is to convey the message. And in Allah's sight are (all) His servants

8:38-39)
"Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from disbelief), their past would be forgiven; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning to them). And fight them on until there is no more persecution and the religion becomes Allah's in its entirety.

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Verse 4:34

Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand

Qur'an (4:11) - "The male shall have the equal of the portion of two females from inheritance

Qur'an (2:282) - (Court testimony) "And call to witness, from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not found then a man and two women.

Qur'an (4:3) - (Wife-to-husband ratio) "Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four

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CONTRADICTIONS IN THE BIBLE

JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.

JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

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GEN 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
GEN 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

GEN 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

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ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.

DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin

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MAT 27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."

LUK 23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."

JOH 19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

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II SAMUEL 24: And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.

I CHRONICLES 21: And SATAN stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel

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And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my backparts." (EXO 33:23)
"And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend." (EXO 33:11)
"For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." (GEN 32:30)

God CANNOT be seen:
"No man hath seen God at any time." (JOH 1:18)
"And he said, Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and live." (EXO 33:20)
"Whom no man hath seen nor can see." (1TIM 6:16)

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Did Judas kiss Jesus?

  • Yes (Matthew 26:48-50)
  • No. Judas could not get close enough to Jesus to kiss him (John 18:3-12

Apart from Jesus did anyone else ascend to heaven?

  • No (John 3:13)
  • Yes. And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven (2 Kings 2:11)

#5 Posted by pooty (10315 posts) - - Show Bio

@theamazingbatman said:

@matteopg said:

@theamazingbatman: that's a really weird example. Couldn't he test some people without crippling them? Maybe he could, oh-I-don't-know, make bad things happen to them but nothing irreversible. I mean, if they pass the test and remain without legs or without sight it's kind of a mean move, considering other people get much simpler tests.

Also, teachers aren't omnipotent and omniscent... you can't use mundane examples to explain the behaviour of something that trascends any rule.

Well , in many places , all the students of the same standard get entirely different papers . Some get easy papers while others get difficult ones . Same is the case with our life . Some people have to live a difficult life while others live an easy life . Life on this Earth is nothing but a test . Our true life will begin after our deaths .

Those people who have suffered more i.e people who were crippled or hurt etc etc will be rewarded in the hereafter for their troubles .

LOL , yep teachers are not omnipotent or omniscient , that was only a rough example .

God knows exactly what we will do in this Earth but he can't still directly throw us in Heaven or Hell.

If GOD knows exactly what you will do on Earth... he already has predetermined your destination to Heaven or Hell... in other words, it would have been better for GOD not to create you at all then to let you live a life that would lead you into Hell... or since GOD is Omnipotent... GOD could create you differently so that your actions don't lead you to Hell... If anything is possible with GOD... then obviously he should be able to do that as well.

Quran 16:93 If Allah so willed, He could make you all one people. But He leaves straying whom He pleases and He guides whom He pleases

#6 Posted by pooty (10315 posts) - - Show Bio

Can Cyborg be killed by a bullet hitting his flesh parts? Would an EMP work?

#7 Posted by pooty (10315 posts) - - Show Bio

Nope. I'm saving you for myself. F*CK my daughter. she can find someone else

#8 Posted by pooty (10315 posts) - - Show Bio

@yodaprime: Have you ever thought that YOU are the one who won't accept proof? God refuses to show himself? He refuses to speak to us. He allows children to die. Poverty is everywhere. He doesn't cure the sick. He allows people to enslave others in his name. cause wars in his name. and he does NOTHING! That's tangible proof that can be confirmed on a daily basis. Isn't that PROOF that he doesn't exist or PROOF he doesn't care?

#9 Edited by pooty (10315 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty said:

@matteopg said:

@dshipp17: you can't have proof about a personal experience and even less so about a feeling. I had stuff in my life that remains unexplained, so I know that it can't be brought up as proof of anything in any way.

I was talking about actual proof, real proof, necessary conclusions. If God was evident by just the existence of the Universe, we would have a very small percentage of people disagreeing, like people who don't believe that humans evolved from other mammals.

Climate change is considered a debate. 88 vs 12 is a large majority but we do need to keep debating until there is definite proof. If there had been definitive proof, the percentages would be even more spread away, I assure you.

I don't really understand your post, I think. I was just explaining that for something to be considered proof it has to be definitive, because there IS such a thing as definitive proof, not subject to interpretation or opinion. I brought up the example of fire because is something everyone has experienced and everybody agrees on... and the other poster said that it's not true! Sometimes fire doesn't burn if you put your hand inside it. Are you saying that his was a good argument? Fire doesn't burn is something we can debate at lenght?

Where was this proof that God exist posted? What pages? I missed it. Posting miracles with no evidence to back it up or saying the universe is proof or personal experience is not proof. I'm sorry it's proof in the individuals mind. it's not proof that can be measured or confirmed or verified. Thousands have said they've been abducted by aliens. Hundreds have said they've seen the Loch Ness Monster and Bigfoot or Mermaids. If God wanted his existence confirmed, he would do so. If God wanted us to choose a specific religion, he would do so. Isn't the fact that God has done neither, PROOF that he wants us to leave him alone?

You're missing the point being made.. Some of us see the proof being made through our lives. For us this is "confirmation"....Weather or not you disagree with someone coming into good fortune or simply existing as proof of God is beside the point. for a person of faith this can be enough. Skepticism is healthy and welcome, but theist don't think God needs to address all of it. You either believe or you don't.

Confirmation in ones mind is NOT my definition of proof. or any dictionaries definition. a person can convince themselves of anything if they want to. If a person has good fortune and they attribute that to god, then prove that good fortune would NOT have happened without God. and just like you have proof that the Bible is the word of God. @theamazingbatman has just as much proof that islam is the true religion. Tom Cruise has proof that Scientology is the correct religion. I have proof that all 3 religions are false. So when it comes to religion, proof is really "whatever an individual thinks is right" aka "guessing". If you are not sure of an answer but you still make a choice, that is called guessing

#10 Posted by pooty (10315 posts) - - Show Bio

@shadow_stalker: How do you feel your life is going? Do you feel you have direction? Peace?

Thank you for asking, my friend. have you ever heard the saying "ignorance is bliss"? I kinda feel that way. It was much easier just going along with the religious flow. All my friends, family are Christian. Now i'm not. Feels like i'm swimming upstream while the water is going down stream. I feel many, no most, people are ignorantly swimming in a certain direction without really questioning why they are swimming in that direction. So yes, i'm happy and at peace, but i have my moments when I wish i was swimming with everyone else.

Regarding the "which religion is correct" questions. I only know what works for me

I have a issue with the "i only know what works for me" statement. Isn't religion about what GOD wants. Not what shadowstalker or pooty wants? But i understand what you mean.

My experience with Jesus as a Christian has allowed me to live a fulfilling life full of peace, even in times of trouble. Every major question I have about life is answered by my relationship and understanding of who God is and what He has shown in the Bible

I'm happy to hear that. But amazingbatman would say that Allah has done the same thing for him. @willpayton would say that being an atheist has given him peace and happiness. Tom Cruise would say that Scientology has given him peace. Maybe all of you would have been happy and peaceful without ANY religion. or with a different religion. Christ has worked for you. But why not see if Allah would work better? Our ETERNAL life is at stake. I think we owe it to ourselves to explore a few different options.

To reiterate my previous suggestion, if you have questions about God, ask Him! Having a two-way relationship is what He wants and what (I think) this life is all about

I did that. and this is where I'm at. Sometimes i think i had to lose faith in the wrong faith, so he could show me where I should put my faith. maybe he didn't want me blinded by old beliefs so i could finally see the correct religion. I don't want to be Christian because "Pooty wants to be Christian". I want to be wherever God wants me to be. And right now, i'm just hanging loose waiting for an answer

If there is every anything I can do to help, please feel free to PM me.

I sure will!!