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#1 Posted by pooty (10325 posts) - - Show Bio

Who's the dude on the lower right? OP should include names for people who aren't familiar with all the heralds..

I think(and I could be wrong) that that is Johnny Storm. Wasn't he a herald for a second?

#2 Posted by pooty (10325 posts) - - Show Bio

@dshipp17: I know I'm right, as I have total confidence and faith in Jesus, from all available information, plus my personal experiences with being a believer and in a relationship with Jesus

Everyone in every single religion says the exact same thing. Honestly they all do.

as I said before, there are no contradictions in the Bible

James 2:24, "You see that a man is justified by works, and not by faith alone

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." (Ephesians 2:8-9

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ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.

DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin

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MAT 27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."

LUK 23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."

JOH 19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."


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you extracted passages that seemingly dealt with rape; but, I know for a fact that the rape that you cited is a translation from a Hebrew word that has to do with courtship

This is courtship??? This is RAPE!. Who wants to marry a man who just killed their family? Who hid in woods and attacked them? C'mon man

Judges 21:10-24 They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, "Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife!

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1 Samuel 17:50

50 So David prevailed over the Philistine with a sling and with a stone, and smote the Philistine, and slew him; but there was no sword in the hand of David.

Samuel 17:51

51 Therefore David ran, and stood upon the Philistine, and took his sword, and drew it out of the sheath thereof, and slew him, and cut off his head therewith.

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A word of caution, Satan can seemingly bless someone too

And Satan can make a person believe they have found the true religion...when they have not.

#3 Posted by pooty (10325 posts) - - Show Bio

@dshipp17: Sorry my friend. but just because YOU believe something does not make it right. Just because YOU are convinced does not make it true. You may be fully convinced. but dont assume you KNOW youre right. my rejection of your God has nothing to do with him not fulfilling some request of mine. The Creator has been VERY VERY VERY good to me. The reason I reject your God is because the bible makes him look like a petty, egotistical, sadistic, sexist being. So you came to the wrong conclusion on that.

#4 Posted by pooty (10325 posts) - - Show Bio

@dshipp17: The correct book or the correct religion is NOT settled. Your Bible is just one of many books that says it's Gods Word. God has not verified not confirmed that the Bible is Gods word. You THINK your faith is right. You HOPE your religion is right. If you KNEW your religion was right then you wouldn't need faith. Faith is only needed when you're not sure of something. So no, You don't KNOW your faith is right. You're guessing like everyone else. And the age of a religion means nothing. Christianity was new at once. And Judaism has existed far longer then christianity. Your faith is only confirmed in your mind.

#5 Posted by pooty (10325 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty said:

You didn't read those pages did you? Those speak of different aspects of hell but many of them still talk about eternal fire and torture. A place God created to punish us. Most of them still talk about a place involving fire and torture. Not one of them speak of it being all in your head. And if it is all in your head then it is another example of CONTRADICTIONS in the Bible. For arguments sake let's say it's not fire. Lets say it's all in your head. it's still torture. it's still being punished forever. You may still be punished for wrongs that you didn't know was wrong. such as choosing Christianity when Scientology was the correct religion. or choosing Islam when Buddism was correct. Is it fair for God to punish us when he allowed many options and didn't clarify the correct one?

Yes. It's our job to decipher. Symbolism isn't a contradiction. It makes sense that God/Jesus would put things in relative terms. I pretty sure saying "you'll go super crazy doesn't sound as threatening than you will experience a horrible burning of your soul or all eternity."

Oh. that's it? We just have to decipher it? Since you've chosen Christianity then you have deciphered that Christianity is the one true religion? You better tell @theamazingbatman or @consolemaster001 because they deciphered it wrong.

#6 Posted by pooty (10325 posts) - - Show Bio

You didn't read those pages did you? Those speak of different aspects of hell but many of them still talk about eternal fire and torture. A place God created to punish us. Most of them still talk about a place involving fire and torture. Not one of them speak of it being all in your head. And if it is all in your head then it is another example of CONTRADICTIONS in the Bible. For arguments sake let's say it's not fire. Lets say it's all in your head. it's still torture. it's still being punished forever. You may still be punished for wrongs that you didn't know was wrong. such as choosing Christianity when Scientology was the correct religion. or choosing Islam when Buddism was correct. Is it fair for God to punish us when he allowed many options and didn't clarify the correct one?

#7 Posted by pooty (10325 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty said:

@yodaprime said:

@pooty said:

@dshipp17 said:

@matteopg said:

@theamazingbatman: that's a really weird

Addressing the underlined part. Hell is SPECIFICALLY a place of burning and suffering and torment. It's not just a place void of God. Just because God is not around does not automatically cause a location to burst into flames. He created Hell on purpose. before any was ever sent there, God created it to be a burning place of torment. The major problem with this is that God can kill the soul. He could easily get rid of the non-believers. but he prefers to torture them. Even if we choose to reject God why does he prefer our torment over death. The wages sin pays is death. not everlasting torment.

But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars--their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death

and throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Also, since the penalty is so severe, God should make it clear which religion is correct. You say the Bible. @theamazingbatman says Islam. What kind of God tells you, you can go to hell but won't tell you what religion is the one the will keep you out of hell? Since he doesn't make his choice clear, we won't be speechless. we'll say "I picked the one I thought was right. I picked the one I thought you approved. I'm human born into sin. It's not my fault you didn't make the right religion clear."

Yea hell might not actually be a literal place of fire.. It could just be a state of mind for the soul.. like dementia. The "fire" in the bible could easily be metaphorical/symbolic. The jury is still out on what hell really is, but the chief punishment is separation from God.

What jury is out? The jury who wants to make up stuff to make it seem like hell isn't so bad.? Going by the words in the bible, not doctrines of man, hell is a place of eternal fiery torment. It states that plainly many times. Should I show more scriptures proving the point?

The people best equipped at interpreting the bible. Most of the meaning is not obvious.

What scriptures support your theory that hell is a state of mind? Please present them

#8 Edited by pooty (10325 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty said:

@dshipp17 said:

@matteopg said:

@theamazingbatman: that's a really weird

Addressing the underlined part. Hell is SPECIFICALLY a place of burning and suffering and torment. It's not just a place void of God. Just because God is not around does not automatically cause a location to burst into flames. He created Hell on purpose. before any was ever sent there, God created it to be a burning place of torment. The major problem with this is that God can kill the soul. He could easily get rid of the non-believers. but he prefers to torture them. Even if we choose to reject God why does he prefer our torment over death. The wages sin pays is death. not everlasting torment.

But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars--their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death

and throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Also, since the penalty is so severe, God should make it clear which religion is correct. You say the Bible. @theamazingbatman says Islam. What kind of God tells you, you can go to hell but won't tell you what religion is the one the will keep you out of hell? Since he doesn't make his choice clear, we won't be speechless. we'll say "I picked the one I thought was right. I picked the one I thought you approved. I'm human born into sin. It's not my fault you didn't make the right religion clear."

Yea hell might not actually be a literal place of fire.. It could just be a state of mind for the soul.. like dementia. The "fire" in the bible could easily be metaphorical/symbolic. The jury is still out on what hell really is, but the chief punishment is separation from God.

What jury is out? The jury who wants to make up stuff to make it seem like hell isn't so bad.? Going by the words in the bible, not doctrines of man, hell is a place of eternal fiery torment. It states that plainly many times. Should I show more scriptures proving the point?

#9 Edited by pooty (10325 posts) - - Show Bio

@dshipp17 said:

@matteopg said:

@theamazingbatman: that's a really weird example. Couldn't he test some people without crippling them? Maybe he could, oh-I-don't-know, make bad things happen to them but nothing irreversible. I mean, if they pass the test and remain without legs or without sight it's kind of a mean move, considering other people get much simpler tests.

Also, teachers aren't omnipotent and omniscent... you can't use mundane examples to explain the behaviour of something that trascends any rule.

Again, Hell is not so much intended to be a place of suffering to delight God so much as it's a place where you (e.g. the willingly unsaved) can exist away from God's presence, as I've already explained. Saying that life is a test by God is very logically, because God will have to judge you before you're cast into Hell; God just wants to leave you speechless at the time of your judgement for what justified His choice in your judgement.

Addressing the underlined part. Hell is SPECIFICALLY a place of burning and suffering and torment. It's not just a place void of God. Just because God is not around does not automatically cause a location to burst into flames. He created Hell on purpose. before any was ever sent there, God created it to be a burning place of torment. The major problem with this is that God can kill the soul. He could easily get rid of the non-believers. but he prefers to torture them. Even if we choose to reject God why does he prefer our torment over death. The wages sin pays is death. not everlasting torment.

But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars--their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death

and throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Also, since the penalty is so severe, God should make it clear which religion is correct. You say the Bible. @theamazingbatman says Islam. What kind of God tells you, you can go to hell but won't tell you what religion is the one the will keep you out of hell? Since he doesn't make his choice clear, we won't be speechless. we'll say "I picked the one I thought was right. I picked the one I thought you approved. I'm human born into sin. It's not my fault you didn't make the right religion clear."

#10 Posted by pooty (10325 posts) - - Show Bio

@oblivionknight: I like those questions in post 12770. I believe in a Creator but not any version of God. The Creator May be perfect or all wise. Or he May be like The Beyonder. Being all powerful but purely logical. and created us with emotions as an experiment. I HONESTLY feel that many have rejected the idea of a Creator because they hate how God is described in the Bible. If religious people accepted that their version of God is not flawless. And stopped making excuses for God. Many people would be more prone to the idea of a Creator.