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I'm having a debate over what this scan is saying.

Is Apocalypse saying?

1) My molecular manipulation makes most levels of super speed useless?

OR

2) My molecular manipulation makes Quiksilvers Level of speed useless?

3) Does this scan prove that Apoc can react to Supermans upper speeds?

4) Does it prove Apoc can react to Pre 52 Wally West upper speeds?

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@emeraldeazy: Wally gets hit by Wonder Woman,

Thanos gets killed by Drax.

he has never shown capabilities to speed blitz and IMP someone to death.

I never said he did.

Pretty much like how Apocalypse hasn't shown the ability to hit every speedster because he can control his molecules in clever ways

Whose molecules was Apoc controlling? His own molecules or Quicksilvers?

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@pooty:

You're claiming SS is fighting full force against someone he just said he LIKES? Seriously? And you really think Apocalypse is telling Quicksilver his superspeed is useless because he's got a big fist and not because he's able to react to someone much faster than him

Apoc was fast enough to react to Quicksilver, right? That has NOTHING to do with molecule manipulation. That is a reaction feat. Not a molecular manipulation feat. Still That does not mean that he can react to ANY speed. But from what you've been saying, if a person has molecular manipulation then they can make speed useless. Has Surfer, Odin, Thanos ever done that? Is it written in their bios? You are reading that scan WRONG. Apoc is telling quicksilver that because he can manipulate his own body. He can react to Quicksilver. Apoc is NOT using molecule manipulation on Quicksilver. If he is, then show any other time that has happened. Again, you're reading the scan incorrectly. Molecular Manipulation makes speed useless. If that were true why has it NEVER been mentioned before?

You're not disapproving theories if your only example is an ELDER of the universe with unlimited powers, powered by the power primordial.

Are you not using only one example of Quicksilver to support your theory? If you're theory is solid then you should have no trouble finding more examples.

@randomsid Ahh but what would be the point of even using Speed Steal if it would be ineffective?

Ask the other Viner who brought it up.

And yes, Thanos has faced Surfer while Surfer was using FTL combat speeds before.

False. I'm not even gonna ask for a scan because I know it never happened.

There comes a point where speed alone is NOT enough to win a battle.

Very true. But this is NOT one of those times.

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@20damon:

1) I see you never read the entire comic.

2) BEFORE he starts liking the runner, the runner has already embarrassed him with his speed.

3) Even after he starts liking him, SS still is determined to beat him. SS even amps himself. So he was never holding back.

4) Silver Surfer has NEVER EVER NEVER shown that his Molecule manipulation renders speed useless. Neither has thanos or sentry or Odin.

5) In the scan with Apoc vs QQuicksilver. In what way did Apoc use molecule manipulation to stop Quicksilver? Did he use Molecule manipulation on himself or on Quicksilver? How exactly did he beat him?

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Again SS just didn't use it. A smart SS just renders his speed useless, unless you want to go down that route where not using a power in battle means it was incapable of working, in which case why are you bringing up Wally speed stealing anyone?

When has SS EVER used his powers to render speed useless?

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Nope, writers just didn't write them using their molecular control on his speed, doesn't mean it isn't possible. Without PIS, the runner's speed is useless, thought without speed he's still strong enough to take them.

It's obvious from the scans that they never attempted to use it on him, so don't even try that bs. Apocalypse still owns Wally

OMG!! you must be the other guys alternate account. No way two different people are misinterpreting that simple scan. Because if you read the scan, Apocalypse doesn't use his molecular manipulation on Quicksilver. He uses it on himself to make his arm grow. If you can't understand the words just look at the picture. Apoc is like a skrull he can control his own molecules but not other peoples. SMH

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Speed doesn't look useless here

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@20damon: Please don't change the subject. We are not talking about a specific battle right now. We are discussing when You said "molecular control renders his speed advantage useless until you can prove otherwise". Are those your words? Did I prove otherwise?

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@20damon: molecular control renders his speed advantage useless until you can prove otherwise

Your theory is so wrong that i can defeat your entire post in two words that apply to both SS and Thanos: The Runner

@randomsid:True, he uses it extremely rarely and even when he talked about using it on Superman in one instance he mentions it would NOT stop Superman, that Superman would still be moving at 2,000 mph and cause massive destruction.

Umm, no one was debating how effective it was. We were debating if it's in character to use it

Silver Surfer.

SS is not known for his combat speed

@truth_tellerJust so you know that the molecular manipulation renders super speed useless theory has been destroyed

@pooty: I live in Denver and literally never have been there. I'll have to go. I'm sure you're coming for other reasons too ;)

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I can't wait for February to get here so i can get back to work. I'm spending WAY WAY WAY to much time debating comic books. LOL. My girl and I even booked tickets to Denver(Colorado) just to go to MILE HIGH COMICS. I can order from them online. I need another hobby!! LOL

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@pr0d1gy:

a) The Runner would embarrass Wally West as well. TRUE

b) Wonder Woman can tank Wally West no problem. So could thanos. WW can tank certain hits from Wally but she has never tanked an IMP

c) Thanos cannot die. False. Thanos can die. He'll come back. But forum rules say he only needs to die. Not stay dead.

d) Wally is predictable and ran into a freakin sword. Thanos got killed by a weakling like Drax (if you want to lowball)

e) It's out of character for Wally to use 1,000,000+ IMP attacks. ( True.

f) It's out of character for him to speed steal also. False. He's used it more times then Thanos has used TP, Molecular Manipulation, AOE attacks combined.

g) It's even more out of character for him to speed steal and use 1,000,000 IMP attacks. True.

Wally has literally no way to win c: False

Although, maybe someone has scans or feats that can convince me other-wise? Atm, if this were a CaV thread, I'd see Thanos winning. Have you seen any scans showing Thanos beating anyone who has travel and combat speed like wally?

I love the quicksilver scan tbh. It's the same exact logic Wally wankers use. Wally speed drained a human, so this he must me able to drain Thanos if Thanos doesn't have scans showing resistance to that one very specific technique. Well, apocalypse made quicksilver's speed useless using molecule manipulation, and flash hasn't shown resistance to apocalypse manipulation, so he apocalypse makes the flash's speed useless.

Apocalypse used molecular manipulation ON HIMSELF. Wally doesn't need to have a resistance to someone using Molecular Manipulation on themselves LOL. And in the Scan Apocalypse plainly says "YOUR speed is meaningless". He was talking specifically about Quicksilvers level of speed. He said nothing that applied to all speedsters. Using that scan to prove a point was desperate at best and easily debunked