pooty

Did he just call someone a............................. I done heard it all

@hiddenlight said:

@noone301994 said:

@hiddenlight: Don't forget that that same beam that destroyed Gladiator's entire armada also destroyed the planet that was about the crash into Earth. And Sol's hammer wasn't even finished being built it yet. Stark had to push it to its very limits. Even so, if Stark perfected it and shot it at Thanos at 100% power, I still don't see that killing or incapacitating Thanos. The guy is just way too durable. He's tanked blasts from Galactus, Silver Surfer, Odin, planetary explosions, etc. I mean just look at this feat:

I don't see Sol's hammer as being enough.

Although, the pym particle and sentinel thing I can see working.

I agree that Thanos is insanely durable, but that instance only showed his reality warping resistance, that doesn't apply to his overall resistance. He had a bloody nose from Thor's thunders in the past and from a full scream of Black Bolt, if the hype of the Sol's hammer is true, I see that damage being far greater than that. Tony could also BFR him into a black hole, he knows how to enter hyperspace and have knowledge about space travel, a well placed trap could manage to do that, and even though we know that he can survive that, incapacitation still counts as winning. And we have no proof that he would be able to crush True Adamantium, so far only Skyfather level beings managed to do that, and while Thanos is on a league of his own way above heralds, he isn't on the same level as a skyfather yet.

I have to agree. Thanos has been hurt by attacks far below planetary destruction level. Though he did survive attacks from Odin, Galactus, Maker, Tyrant.... in all those cases you could tell Thanos opponents were not going all out. Between the Adamantium Sentinels that shoot pym particles and Sol's hammer, Tony wins round one against an unprepped Thanos. A equally prepped Thanos wins. Not that I needed to say that

@xiix: Thanks.

Yes, both of those did happen.

@overmonitor: I'm only replying to you because you seem more reasonable then the others who share your view.

About molecule manipulation, @pooty is good at distorting the argument to make it seem wrong

It took years to hone this skill

Good debating skill

Thank you

If there is someone with higher level molecule manipulation powers, like MM, he can easily make his molecules have basically infinite kinetic energy

Agreed. Molecule Man has PROVEN multiple times to be a higher level manipulator then Wally so I fully agree with this.

Now people argue Wally could go for the brain first but that is definitely not what he would do, despite using it against Amazo once. He would speed steal which would be negated by control of molecules.

You are speculating about what Wally would do. When Wally is blood lusted he could choose either method equally. But i hope to prove that regardless of which one he chooses..... it will be effective.

He would speed steal which would be negated by control of molecules.

I recall Thanos controlling his molecules one time. In decades I have seen it ONCE. But even if he can manipulate his own molecules. The Question is: Will Thanos have time to control his molecules? I say no. Look at the scans below. It takes almost no time for Wally to whammy his brain. But not just that. Look at how slow everyone else is compared to Wally. They are frozen in time. Wally has time to sit down, eat lunch and have a conversation before a cup of coffee can hit the floor!! Has Thanos ever shown that level of reaction speed? Has Thanos ever been shown to think that fast? So Wally has plenty of time to whammy his brain while thanos is frozen in place.

despite using it against Amazo once

If Wally does decide to phase his brain out then Thanos has no counter for that at all. If you look at the scan Wally does it before amazo can think. Amazo is a robot who had duplicated the powers of the entire JLA INCLUDING The Flash.... and Wally was still to fast for him. THerefore he is too fast for thanos to stop this attack.

In the same sense, Thanos has the highest durability of any corporeal being I can think of

Durability has nothing to do with kinectic energy. Look up the word durability. It says nothing about speed or molecules etc.

I don't know that you could overcome the immense power his body has simply by stealing kinetic energy from him

Maybe Wally can't overcome the power of Thanos entire body. But Wally doesn't have to stop his whole body. Just the neutrons in his brain. Wally has slowed down a planet. He slowed down Anti Monitor. Little doubt that he can slow down a few neutrons.

His energy signature is unmistakable across galaxies, that's not kinetic energy.

Many super beings have a unique energy signature and they all be can tracked if you have the right equipment.

I don't think people like that can be directly manipulated.

This theory is not supported in any comic book. In fact the opposite has been proven . Galactus has been turned into a human a couple times. The Phantom Watcher was turned into a mouse. Thor turned into a frog. Thanos himself was turned to granite. Your theory is busted

That's why we see people like Odin fighting with energy blasts and not just blinking each other from existence.

Since it's been proven that even high tier beings can be manipulated. It's more likely that the comic writers wouldn't be able to fill 22 pages if Odin just blinked his enemies out of existence.

At some point your opponent can become too powerful for your best attacks to work

Very true. But this is not one of those times

In Summary:

1) Even if Thanos can manipulate his own Molecules. Thanos is to slow to get a chance to. Thanos will be frozen in place while wally whammies his brain molecules.

2) If Wally decides to phase out his brain or heart. Thanos is to slow to stop that from happening.

I've showed scans to back up each method of attack that I believe Wally could use. Please use scans to back up your counter argument

Has Reed ever used tech to counter Dr. Doom or any other magic? If not, I'll take Strange

@truth_teller: are you aware that SS already knew Gladiator has a weakness to certain radiation and that SS could produce that radiation at will? I figure he could do the same to Clark

Ego The Living Planet

Wally loses all 3. None of wallys powers can affect Ego enough to stop him.

@pipxeroth: As long as he was repenting in prayer, in the name of Jesus, he was forgiven each and every time

Yes. He said that. But the Bible says addtional things on the subject.

For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.” (Matthew 6:14-15

If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.” (1 John 1:9

Some places say merely asking for forgiveness in jesus name is enough. other places say you gotta forgive other people also. I really think that is why Christians don't worry about sinning(having kids without being married, adultery, stealing, lying etc) because they believe that if they pray for forgiveness, then everything is all right. But another verse clearly says:

Hebrews 10:26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,

and since all sin is deliberate(according to dshipp) then all Christians practice sin because they all sin everyday. But another scripture says it's IMPOSSIBLE for a Christian to sin.

1 John 3:9 No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

@randomsid said:

@pooty said:

@randomsid Ahh but what would be the point of even using Speed Steal if it would be ineffective?

Ask the other Viner who brought it up.

And yes, Thanos has faced Surfer while Surfer was using FTL combat speeds before.

False. I'm not even gonna ask for a scan because I know it never happened.

There comes a point where speed alone is NOT enough to win a battle.

Very true. But this is NOT one of those times.

You were saying?

Thanos has faced Surfer while Surfer was using FTL combat speeds before.

I can't believe you consider that COMBAT speed. That is a clear case of FTL travel speed. Not a punch is thrown. Not a kick. Not a slam. Between you thinking that is combat speed. And the other dude thinking molecular manipulation nullifies super speed.........................I'm done. I'm done with this thread. Even my boredom can't justify continuing any of these conversations. I concede.