Characters I hate and am tired of.

A list of characters I hate or dislike for various reasons which I will explain. I'll update as I think of them and they aren't in any order. 

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Edited by entropy_aegis

WOW. 
The wheelchair really helped babs career,without it she's just a generic school girl sidekick,essen was stupid for putting herself in that position and bruce's didnt want clark's help cause of luthor.the reason he rules that city cause we dont need amatuers like huntress running around.and killing the joker has more to do with editorial politics than bruce's morals. 
 
ollie feels a LOT of regret for what he's done , the last green arrow comic confirmed that,and harper is a lost cause if i ever saw one.and ollie is more useful then dinah. 
 
Hornhead believes in the laws laid down by the constitution,he believes in the system.you say he should be like punisher,well we've already seen the results in shadowland ,if you want to go by punishers example then why bother with laws,elections etc. 
 
dont care about karate kid to defend him,but i've seen more ridiculous stuff than what he deos.

Posted by i.aint.wit.it
@entropy_aegis: one hell of a rebuttal sir and i concur with the points you made. I couldn't have put all that better myself 
 
yet Pokey you made a pretty damn good list. I like  the things you pointed out about the characters. I'd love to see you make another one like this!
Posted by Pokeysteve

@entropy_aegis:
My first reaction to your post was to ignore it but decided against it. Yes Essen is a moron for trying to save a roomful of babies. Who needs cops like that anyways. That isn't the only time Bruce has turned down help. Huntress has been "running around" for several years and does what she needs to do. Bruce can't say the same. That brings us back to Joker. Morals or ethics or whatever it doesn't take the worlds greatest detective to figure Joker going away for good will save thousands.   

If Bin Laden feels regret for what he did would that make him ok too? No. When talking about Ollie you have to be specific which event you're talking about. Harper may be an addict but he was a great dad and excellent hero. What the hell are you reading where Ollie is more useful than Dinah? Didn't the Trinity ask her to lead the frickin Justice League? Without his little arrows he's useless. Unless he's Mayor.

I didn't say Matt should be like Frank. Please don't put words in my......screen. He protects the people he tries to takedown from the laws that are laid  down. Laws and elections have their place. Punisher believes in harsher punishments. Sadly I haven't read Shadowland. Saw the scan of Frank wasting a bunch of guys though.

Posted by Pokeysteve
@i.aint.wit.it:
Thank you. I'm glad you liked it. I almost added Catwoman too but I can't think of reasons why I don't like her. I just don't. She's a  b1tch and that's all I got haha. Any suggestions for future lists don't be afraid to post them. I didn't think anyone bothered with these so I don't make many.
Posted by entropy_aegis
@Pokeysteve said:
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@entropy_aegis:
My first reaction to your post was to ignore it but decided against it. Yes Essen is a moron for trying to save a roomful of babies. Who needs cops like that anyways. That isn't the only time Bruce has turned down help. Huntress has been "running around" for several years and does what she needs to do. Bruce can't say the same. That brings us back to Joker. Morals or ethics or whatever it doesn't take the worlds greatest detective to figure Joker going away for good will save thousands.   

If Bin Laden feels regret for what he did would that make him ok too? No. When talking about Ollie you have to be specific which event you're talking about. Harper may be an addict but he was a great dad and excellent hero. What the hell are you reading where Ollie is more useful than Dinah? Didn't the Trinity ask her to lead the frickin Justice League? Without his little arrows he's useless. Unless he's Mayor.

I didn't say Matt should be like Frank. Please don't put words in my......screen. He protects the people he tries to takedown from the laws that are laid  down. Laws and elections have their place. Punisher believes in harsher punishments. Sadly I haven't read Shadowland. Saw the scan of Frank wasting a bunch of guys though.

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Again bruce is'nt responsible for the death's of every tom,dick and harry.bravery or not,she was stupid at the end of the day.and bruce turns down help cause pricks like the Jla wiped his memories.(current bruce is actually completely different).and what exactly has helena accomplished?i'm waiting. 
you clearly don't understand the psychological warfare between batman and joker.please do and then we'll talk. 
Bin laden is not oliver queen.if harper spent more time actually doing something constructive instead of boning every woman he met,then maybe i would have felt some sympathy for him.what a manwhore. 
Yeah ollie is more useful,he can provide the wealth and the resources,something which only batman has outside of him,what does dinah bring? a scream? LOL. and he's had entire ongoings(makes him a lot cooler)
and i find it amusing that she's been asked to lead the league but play's sidekick to barbara in BOP. 
 
and murdock believes in something else,it his opinion which is based upon the laws,while frank just does whatever he wants to do. 
if franky boy wants to change something why does'nt he come out and brand his way's?,till then murdock is the better man through and through.
Posted by Pokeysteve
  1. @entropy_aegis:
    He is partially responsible. He has the brain and the means to get rid of Joker probably without anyone ever finding out. What does the "psychological warfare " have anything to do with it? Bruce is always preaching about doing what needs to be done but he never does. Kill one to save thousands. It's simple. And the "pricks" in the JLA took a vote and decided they didn't want villains raping and murdering their families.  And the first thing that comes to mind with Helena is saving your precious Batman's ass. Other than that she was protecting the people in Gotham during No Mans Land before Bruce, she's saved Dinah's life along with the lives of many other people.

 
"he can provide the wealth and the resources,something which only batman has outside of him  " so like I said he's useless. Batman has the money thing handled. You know what neither of them have? That sonic scream you were so quick to scoff at. Dinah also bring leadership and tactile skills, as well as master level of martial arts. She beats Ollie in every way. We aren't talking about their books so why even bother to bring that up? GA is a joke character. If you read Birds of Prey maybe you'd understand why Dinah worked with Barbara.

 

Frank doesn't want anyone imitating him. He has the skill and experience to do what he does. A group of sex traffickers get arrested and Matt will try and get them aquitted. Frank will kill them afterwards. The phrase "matt is the better man" is absurd. All he had to do was become a prosecuter instead and it would have really helped his credibility along.

Edited by entropy_aegis

Actually the psychological warfare means a lot.joker always tempts him and he cant do it cause does'nt want to stoop to his level,joker has even become a good guy in bruce's abscence.their relationship is complicated and that's what a good hero/villian dynamic is all about. Read batman and robin,and going sane arc from legends of the dark knight. 
the same pricks (jordan who was corrupted,zatanna easily the biggest loser the league had to offer or both dinah and ollie  going though the worst phrase of their lives,ralph who i believe is dead,same goes for hawkman ,while bruce is running around with selina in a swim suit in tokyo LOL,batcurse FTW) 
if those losers were so good why did'nt they tell martain manhunter ?he's better than zatanna by lightyears.Yeah she was tricked by hush in to saving his life(not to mention it was the most criticized part of hush) batman happened to almost die after having his line cut off(yeah cause deadshot has'nt done that before,hell tim drake has survived this,WEAK ,)so basically she was recieving weapons from criminals and she never knew,WHAT AN IDIOT.Yeah and it was bruce who went all the way to washington,and it was bruce who succeeded in convincing bane to leave,and it was bruce who stopped luthor.and bruce actually does indeed own gotham,his ancestors made that city,while helenas parents were hell bent on destroying it. 
 
Yeah batman needs a sonic scream all right,even though he's hurt superman with his sonics and destroyed a superman powered exoskeleton with his hypersonics,ollie has similar equipment,and they can actually use it safely,and make a much more powerful one with in hours.throwing around a few statements does'nt make you a leader.what was dinah's master plan against the secret society?'we need to watch our backs' ,AWESOME tacticle ability. 
i'll take ollie's money and connections anyday over kungfu (plus he's had four ongoings ,how many does she have?) as for birds of prey i just said the same about bruce and the joker,its part and parcel of storytelling.   
 
and frank should brand his justice so that the laws can be changed,but he does'nt do that does he. 
innocent until proven guilty,plain and simple. 
frank would happily gun down a truck driver (who's carrying some drugs),but how does he know that the driver in question is doing it cause he has no other option,maybe he has a family etc. 
atleast matt can get some satisfaction over what he does.
Posted by Pokeysteve
@entropy_aegis:
After reading that I'm pretty sure you have no idea the point I'm trying to argue. You're talking about mental warfare and who has the most titles and all this crap that has nothing to do with what I'm saying. You're putting words in my mouth and basically just arguing your own argument. I think you stumbled upon my list while on your man period and decided to just be a condescending jerk. Seriously, go read your posts. What the hell is the matter with you. You're always picking fights with people.
Posted by entropy_aegis
@Pokeysteve said:
"@entropy_aegis: After reading that I'm pretty sure you have no idea the point I'm trying to argue. You're talking about mental warfare and who has the most titles and all this crap that has nothing to do with what I'm saying. You're putting words in my mouth and basically just arguing your own argument. I think you stumbled upon my list while on your man period and decided to just be a condescending jerk. Seriously, go read your posts. What the hell is the matter with you. You're always picking fights with people. "

Whom have i picked a fight with? 
i perfectly understand what you're saying,you want bruce and matt to be killers while ollie should be all nice to dinah. 
again bruce and joker have a particular relationship(i even mentioned the specific storylines) which you've constantly ignored,it's not a simple matter of killing him. 
The reasons you just put for disliking these characters are just ridiculous.but i should have stayed away ,after all its your opinion. so yeah i apologize for that. 
but bruce >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>huntress.she can die a horrible death.
Posted by Pokeysteve
@entropy_aegis:  
I don't keep track but me for one on a board.  
Wrong. And I ignored them because it isn't relevant to what I was trying to say.  
I think my reasons are pretty good. After calling Essen stupid for saving the lives of a roomful of babies your reasons for liking these characters are ridiculous.  
Bruce is greater than Huntress in every way save for two. She accepts help and is willing to kill if she needs to.  
 
Good day. I'm done with you. 
Edited by Wolverine08

Hmmmm, I think you got Batman and Daredevil pegged wrongly.

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@wolverine08 said:

Hmmmm, I think you got Batman and Daredevil pegged wrongly.

How did I get a notification for that without being at replied? Edit: Never mind that first sentence lol it's my list that I forgot I made. Hmm. Any way, my stance on Batman is pretty solid and the majority of stories I've read with him support that. He's not without his redeeming moments. Daredevil I could be wrong about. I haven't read nearly as much of him. I have some stuff but haven't gotten around to reading it yet.

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CV will always tell you when someone comments on your reviews or lists.

Posted by Wolverine08

@pokeysteve: Cool. I just wanted to state why you might have Bruce and Matt pegged wrongly.

About Batman not killing Joker. Firstly, Bruce is an idealist. Sure, he's grumpy, broody, a bit anti social, but at the end of the day he is an idealist. He wants to change Gotham, and be a symbol of hope to the people there that they shouldn't give in to cowardly criminals demands. He tries to achieve his goal through his vigilante work as Batman. He feels that if he kills people, he can't truly be that symbol to Gotham that he is bound to be. He doesn't want to stoop to the level of the people he fights and he feels killing does just that.

The second reason Batman doesn't kill Joker is due to psychological issues. I think most Batman fans and even Batman himself deep down inside knows he isn't completely sane. He is paranoid, anti social, etc and his refusal is not just his morals, but an obsessive habit. Batman expounded on this when Jason Todd asked him why he refused to kill Joker. Batman admitted that every day he dreamed and fantasized about how good it would feel to kill Joker, how good it would it would feel to get him back for the pain he's caused him and the people of Gotham. But Bruce wisely acknowledged that if he did kill Joker, he would never come back. That thin line holding him together would break and he would lose his mind.

The final reason Batman doesn't kill Joker is because if he did, Joker would win his little game. Batman represents law and order. He wants to take Gotham and bring back the order criminals stole from it. He gives himself rules and regulations to abide by. Joker on the other hand doesn't give a damn about silly order, and just wants to live in the moment. He wants to prove to Bruce that he isbwrong and show him that his way of living is wrong and that he is right. If Batman did kill Joker, everything he has worked for, the symbol to Gotham he is trying to be would be lost, and Joker would win, or as most writers would put it, "have the last laugh".

Regarding Daredevil, he believes in law and order. When he was a young child, he lost his boxing champion father to gangsters who killed him because he refused to throw a fight. Matt saw that those type of men had no respect for the law, they believed they were the judge, jury, and the executioner. Matt felt that the way he could change things was by abiding by the law, by being a lawyer he could help defend the law, and make sure it was respected. The reason Daredevil disagrees so vehemently with people likes the Punisher is because they remind him of the people who took his father. He feels that Frank, like the criminals he hates unfairly acts as the judge, jury, and executioner towards criminals.

Finally, Matt doesn't just represent anyone in court. He has a sense of honor and right and always abides by it. He has even on multiple occasions had hits put on his head and almost been murdered by the mob because he refused to represent their members in court. The mob even managed to drive his girlfriend Karen insane as payback for not helping them.

I know your opinion is your opinion, and is probably set in stone, but I just wanted to show you what Batman and Daredevil are about.

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Posted by Ryagan

I've never been a big fan of Green Arrow. I somewhat like him in Smallville, but I couldn't stand him in Identity Crisis. He always rubs me the wrong way. I also don't like Tony Stark (though I like him in the MCU). In the Civil War arc, he was a huge d-bag. I couldn't stand him.

Posted by Pokeysteve

@wolverine08:

Finally getting around to replying to this. With Batman, I wrote that a while ago. Before I read the numbers of stories I have since. I can understand why he hasn't killed him. The morals reason is the only one that makes sense and I can accept. The idea he wouldn't want to save X number of people by killing Joker because then J would have the last laugh is ridiculous. Obviously there is more to it than that but in a nut shell.

Another thing that makes a lot of what you said kind of iffy is that Batman has actually saved the Joker on occasion. Actually letting him die or someone else kill him would be a loophole. I understand the writers need to make him deep and complex but what it boils down to is Joker or hundreds, thousands, hundreds of thousands of people. Bruce picks Joker every time and innocent people suffer as a result. Has he ever tried to beef up security at Arkham at least? And there are other ways to remove Joker without killing him.

With Daredevil, like I said I have some stuff of his that I'd like to read. I downloaded his huge solo series. No idea where to start though. My opinion of him has changed somewhat since I made the list. I should really update it.

You don't have to worry about talking to me about my opinions. You're one of the people on here who can do it without being a dick lol.

Posted by Pokeysteve

@ryagan said:

I've never been a big fan of Green Arrow. I somewhat like him in Smallville, but I couldn't stand him in Identity Crisis. He always rubs me the wrong way. I also don't like Tony Stark (though I like him in the MCU). In the Civil War arc, he was a huge d-bag. I couldn't stand him.

I agree. If I ever feel like updating this list Tony would be added and I'd probably remove Daredevil. I recommend the show Arrow if you haven't seen it yet. I gave it a shot and wasn't disappointed. He's only a little bit of an ass and for OK reasons haha.

Posted by Wolverine08

@pokeysteve: Ah, I think that a Superman quote I just remembered perfectly answers your question about Batman saving Joker. Superman once described Bruce as an idealist who at his core doesn't want to see people die like his parents did. Due to a combination of his obsession and morals, he just can't sit back and watch someone die, if it's within his abilities to save someone, I think Bruce feels obligated to do it, even if its someone like the Joker. Also, although most writers haven't tackled this subject, I don't think Bruce walks around Humpty Dumpty knowing how many people Joker has killed. I think even though he doesn't show it, him knowing that the numerous people Joker has managed to kill is partly his fault, silently eats away at him, and motivates him in his war against crime. I also don't lay full blame on Joker's antics on Batman. I mean, Gotham should have executed Joker a LONG time ago. Bruce is doing the best he can do, but Gotham keeps failing him in regards to the Joker.

Anyways, which Daredevil volume did you pick up, I think I can help you know where to start.

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Edited by Pokeysteve

@pokeysteve: Ah, I think that a Superman quote I just remembered perfectly answers your question about Batman saving Joker. Superman once described Bruce as an idealist who at his core doesn't want to see people die like his parents did. Due to a combination of his obsession and morals, he just can't sit back and watch someone die, if it's within his abilities to save someone, I think Bruce feels obligated to do it, even if its someone like the Joker. Also, although most writers haven't tackled this subject, I don't think Bruce walks around Humpty Dumpty knowing how many people Joker has killed. I think even though he doesn't show it, him knowing that the numerous people Joker has managed to kill is partly his fault, silently eats away at him, and motivates him in his war against crime. I also don't lay full blame on Joker's antics on Batman. I mean, Gotham should have executed Joker a LONG time ago. Bruce is doing the best he can do, but Gotham keeps failing him in regards to the Joker.

Anyways, which Daredevil volume did you pick up, I think I can help you know where to start.

That whole thing is full of stuff that makes sense. I'd even say the GCPD is more at fault than Batman.

I have both volumes 1 and 2. I'm thinking about starting around Vol 1 number 168. Elektra's first appearance but there is sooooo much reading in between that and the more modern stuff. Maybe if you could name a few important arcs for him I can bounce around. Even though I hate doing that. The only problem with not giving characters a reboot. 40+ years of reading!!

Posted by Wolverine08

@pokeysteve:

To get acquainted with Daredevil, I'd recommend you pick up Frank Miller's "Daredevil: The Man Without Fear" mini series about the origin and the rise of Daredevil, and for your two volumes, I'd just recommend you jsut skip to volume 2 and begin with issue 30 (the beginning of Brian Michael Bendis's run). Arguably the best Daredevil run, and definitely the best modern one.

I hope I was helpful :)

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Posted by Pokeysteve

@wolverine08: That's very helpful. I appreciate that, thank you!

Posted by Frozen

Well, that explains the hate for Nolan films and Karate Kid.

Posted by Pokeysteve

@frozen: Nah. Nolan Batman was nothing like comic Batman and with KK it's more his fans. I forgot I had this on here.

Posted by Frozen

@pokeysteve: Nolan bats is selective in the story it takes from.

Posted by Pokeysteve

@frozen: Story. Not characterization.

Posted by Frozen

@pokeysteve: I'm a bit confused, you hate comic book Batman....but don't like Nolan Batman because it's not similar to a version of Batman you already hate?

Posted by Pokeysteve

@frozen: I find comic book Batman to be an ass. He's just an ass. He's smart though and an amazing hand to hand fighter. One of DC's most intelligent humans when it comes to strategy and tactics and in the top 10 fighters. Nolan's Batman removed all three of those traits from him. He isn't an ass but he isn't above average intelligence and did nothing impressive combat wise. Taking down the SWAT team was the only cool thing he did and he needed a device Lucius made to do it.

Hope that helps.

Posted by Frozen

@pokeysteve: I saw no indication that his H2H ability was removed, he wasn't Bruce Lee reborn, however he beat down Mercanaries, Swat and Ninja's with his bare hands, without tech, results wise he's a better H2H fighter than MCU Black Widow and others. Perhaps the others were removed

Posted by Pokeysteve

@frozen said:

I saw no indication that his H2H ability was removed, he wasn't Bruce Lee reborn, however he beat down Mercanaries, Swat and Ninja's with his bare hands, without tech, results wise he's a better H2H fighter than MCU Black Widow and others. Perhaps the others were removed

He also got dropped by Joker goons and stood there staring at Bane as Bane wailed on him. Featless SWAT and featless "Ninjas". Results wise, movie Wolverine is a master combatant if that's the logic you want to use.

Posted by Frozen

@pokeysteve: The Joker goon part was bad writing, that is the only instance that happened throughout the 3 films. In regards to Ninja's and SWAT, they are supposed to be featless, they are fodder, who appear across movies, not just the Batman trilogy, there are different levels of fodder, which can range from thugs to mercanaries.

Results wise Wolverine is a superhuman, Nolan Bats obviously isn't superhuman. Bane was also downright physically superior, that was made clear. Alfred remarked he was fast.

Posted by Pokeysteve

@frozen said:

The Joker goon part was bad writing, that is the only instance that happened throughout the 3 films. In regards to Ninja's and SWAT, they are supposed to be featless, they are fodder, who appear across movies, not just the Batman trilogy, there are different levels of fodder, which can range from thugs to mercanaries.

Results wise Wolverine is a superhuman, Nolan Bats obviously isn't superhuman. Bane was also downright physically superior, that was made clear. Alfred remarked he was fast.

It still happened. Let's not forget thugs falling down by themselves.

Lol Nolan Batman fell from over 6 stories twice and was fine. He is absolutely super human. Unless you can point me to a regular human that can do that. If Alfred remarked he was fast then it must be true......

Posted by Frozen

@pokeysteve: You mean editing errors? Yeah, true but that's across nearly every Hollywood movie, fodder is fodder.

Wait, so you think Nolan Bats was superhuman by our standards or his own movie verse standards? Because from what the films showed, he was a better fighter than nearly everyone he fought, the methods he used on swat, mercs, etc were all from the Keysi fighting method, because Alfred's remarks were to show how fast he was in comparison to a rusty Batman.

Posted by Frozen

@pokeysteve: Batfleck could be more 'comic' booky in his fighting style, however if he's taking inspiration from the Dark Knight Returns, he'll be more of a super strong brawler

Posted by Pokeysteve

@frozen: That's all Bale ever showed to be. A strong brawler. Absolute basic fighting techniques with poor speed. Widow would fight circles around him.

Posted by Frozen

@pokeysteve: Not really, he was sidestepping bullets in a tunnel. I've not seen any H2H feats from Widow which suggest she'd win, nearly all of them are with tech and guns.

It'd be akin to this.

Posted by Pokeysteve

@frozen:

She beat Hawkeye with no gear and walked through fodder way easier than Bruce did. Batman aim dodged gun fire in a blacked out tunnel. We've been over that.

Posted by Frozen

@pokeysteve: She sucker punched Hawkeye, and her mobility was vastly decreased once she fought someone with skill. She barely actually had any H2H fight scenes, mostly she incorporated some gadgets into it which killed her opponents, by contrast he trounced his opponents with less effort, and yes I said 'side stepped' / he aim dodged, still requires speed.

Batman has always operated higher than Widow tier characters.

Posted by Pokeysteve

@frozen said:

She sucker punched Hawkeye, and her mobility was vastly decreased once she fought someone with skill. She barely actually had any H2H fight scenes, mostly she incorporated some gadgets into it which killed her opponents, by contrast he trounced his opponents with less effort, and yes I said 'side stepped' / he aim dodged, still requires speed.

Batman has always operated higher than Widow tier characters.

Lol sucker punched!?!?! I don't even know how to respond to that since they fought for like 3 full minutes. I don't recall her ever actually killing anyone other than the Chitari. Did you watch the movies or is that what someone told you?

It didn't require any speed. Just take a look at the GIF you're always posting. He hops right and then hops left. He also didn't "trounce" (good word) anyone. He had trouble with skilless thugs. Batman HAS always been a higher tier than Widow level characters which is why Nolan's Batman is crap haha are you all caught up now?

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@pokeysteve: I've seen the fight, at no point was she half as agile as she was in her others as soon as she fought someone with an ounce of skill, she did kill people, which movies did you watch? She hung a man in Iron Man 2, and then killed more in TWS. Her gear vastly helped her.

It does, you can't run down a tunnel against two men firing AK-47's at you without speed/perceptions, it makes no sense. The only time he ever had an ounce of trouble was in the scene in TDK, because other than that, he never had an ounce of trouble, he laid waste to fodder. The tier remark is simply put, the weakest versions of Batman are usually above good representations of Widow.

Batfleck will probably be better, as DKR Batman can punch holes into cars, he's that strong.

Posted by Pokeysteve

@frozen: She avoided arrows with her agility and it pretty much won her the fight. Pretty sure she doesn't kill anyone in Iron Man 2. Especially not the unarmed security guards. Cap 2 is a different story.

You can in the dark.

Movie heroes are never as powerful as their comic selves. I'm just hoping they make Batman exceptionally intelligent finally.

Posted by Frozen

@pokeysteve: No she didn't. He fired one-arrow and she avoided it, quite a bit below moving out the way of multiple bullets from two gunmen. Being in the dark doesn't make bullets slower, especially considering there were lights towards their end.

She 100% killed in IM2. She hung a man and basically killed him that way, with her tech in the hallway scene.

He will be, considering he'll beat Superman up.

Posted by Pokeysteve

@frozen said:

No she didn't. He fired one-arrow and she avoided it, quite a bit below moving out the way of multiple bullets from two gunmen. Being in the dark doesn't make bullets slower, especially considering there were lights towards their end.

She 100% killed in IM2. She hung a man and basically killed him that way, with her tech in the hallway scene.

He will be, considering he'll beat Superman up.

Her avoiding one arrow from an established archer in a well lit area beats aim dodging fodder in the dark. The "light" was muzzle flash.

The hung guy was moving when she left. Why would she kill unarmed security guards?

That doesn't make him smart and movie Superman is significantly weaker than comic Superman.

Posted by Frozen

@pokeysteve: Not quite, because he fired the arrow more towards the ground, it's obvious aim-dodging two AK-47's is significantly superior to aim-dodging one arrow.

That's him struggling before he dies, that's what Widow does, kill people. Same thing in TWS too.

He destroyed the World Engine, and it's been 2 years since MOS so Superman will be 35, he'll be far more adapted to his powers, there are reports he'll outsmart Superman.

Posted by Pokeysteve

@frozen said:

Not quite, because he fired the arrow more towards the ground, it's obvious aim-dodging two AK-47's is significantly superior to aim-dodging one arrow.

That's him struggling before he dies, that's what Widow does, kill people. Same thing in TWS too.

He destroyed the World Engine, and it's been 2 years since MOS so Superman will be 35, he'll be far more adapted to his powers, there are reports he'll outsmart Superman.

I disagree.

Did you see him die? No. Stop assuming.

Again, stop assuming.

Posted by Frozen

@pokeysteve:

  • That's what hanging people does. It kills them.
  • I assumed it'd be based on DKR, I was right, I assumed they'll fight...Zack Snyder said in an interview that the only reason the film is Batman vs Superman, is because he had the idea of Batman finding Kryptonite, given that it's based on DKR, it's pretty obvious they will fight. It's based on DKR Batman after all.
Posted by Pokeysteve

@frozen said:

  • That's what hanging people does. It kills them.
  • I assumed it'd be based on DKR, I was right, I assumed they'll fight...Zack Snyder said in an interview that the only reason the film is Batman vs Superman, is because he had the idea of Batman finding Kryptonite, given that it's based on DKR, it's pretty obvious they will fight. It's based on DKR Batman after all.

Unless one escapes.

We were told it was more of a DKR Batman.