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@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek: @juiceboks Well to start with, your fighters are more well known, maybe even popular as far comics go, but my guys are hardly obscure enough to not win this match.

First off, both my characters are pretty super human, like Captain America level dang near, and they both are extreme skilled Martial Artist. They are near the top best in a world filled with Martial Artist with super human stats.

Chun Li is a girl who was trained by her Father, and Gen. Her father was a well know Martial Artist who mastered Tai Chi/Chinese Kenpo, and taught his daughter till she was a mastered of them herself.she then trained with Gen by mastering the non lethal Ansatsuken So Ryu and Ansatsuken Gi Ryu forms, as well his Pressure point knowledge.

She then took both forms, and made her own that relied on her kicks more than anything. She mastered these forms to such a degree, that she was able to harness Chi into powerful energy attacks much like her father had. She is not only a martial arts master, she is Interpol's best field agent. Guile and her by themselves shut down Shadaloo, the greatest crime syndicate on the planet. She was also the top graduate of Chinese Police Academy before all this. Chun Li is proven competent, brilliant, and the strongest woman in the world.

Sagat is the King of Muay Thai. Muay Thai is none as one of the most effective styles out there for MMA fighters in the real world. Sagat is the king of It. Now before you think he is a one trick martial artist, Sagat is such a Master that he has made his own combos, moves, and gain special chi attacks from mastering Muay Thai to such a degree that few can ever hope to attain.

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Sagat was the greatest known champion of MMA Championships in the whole world. His mastery over Muay Thai is more than enough to beat foes incorporating multiple forms of MAs every time. Add to this Sagat extremely high stats, and chi manipulating abilities. He is Shadaloo's best operative, running whole parts of Bison's organization with no problems. Sagat also learned mental arts with his time with Dhalsim, learning the benefits of Yoga to help focus his skills, power, and mental resistance to a far greater Degree. He has shown to always been Ryu's equal in battle, which says alot for the former Undefeated Street Fighter Champion.

Now I gave ya a basic breakdown, I can see the duo working together well enough to take down your characters. Cassandra has super human stats. So does my team. She is a master of multiple MAs. So have mine, and mastered their said MAs to a degree that the known Masters of said arts have never attained. Cassandra has neat toys to bring, I have 2 super humans with Chi powers that will wreck her world.

On the flip side, Deadpool biggest threats come in the form of Guns and swords. Pretty serious stuff actually. He also has massive Regen. Neat... However he still can be put down by street levelers, and I believe the stats, skill, and 2 on one will beat Deadpool as well.

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@metaljimmor:

Can you prove that total destruction of Alucard's body, which naturally includes destruction of his heart and head, doesn't work? You've shown how two people who don't use immense heat or fire to kill vampires do so, but that doesn't necessarily mean a vampire's heart and head being destroyed by something other than stabbing and slashing weapons won't work.

I showed you a scan where he rams a Jet at Mach 3.4 speed into a aircraft carrier. It exploded with engulfing jet fuel that burns so hot, the Twin Towers fell to such heat.

Alucard was fine. Whether you acknowledge this or not, its whatever.

Alucard has never used more than one familiar outside level 0, and has only used Baskerville in level 1. It seems to me that he can't conjure all his familiars right off the bat unless he's in level 0. He also needs Integra's permission to release his restrictions and the OP said no outside help.

Again this is pretty crappy reasoning. Outside help? Thats like saying Shang Tsung cannot use the souls he acquired to fight. Thats like saying Zarathos cannot matter in any battle with Blaze.

Its his power. Since they have no free will anymore than a K-9 Officer with a attack dog, I do not see how its outside help.

Superman will absolutely use evasive action if he needs to, and should catch on pretty quick that Alucard is magic considering that should Alucard summon his familiars he'll be bringing people out of a shadowly vortex of eyes and blood. Honestly if that was how he dealt with obviously magical opponents he would've died years ago.

Yet superman still tanks attacks from magic people in the comics 90% of the time. What a shocker.

This'll be my last response though. The weather outside is frightful, and my internet is just going to get worse so I can't really post any evasion feats for Superman. Besides that, it's really frustrating trying to debate for a character who's had one of his most important powers removed. Who is then being put up against his biggest vulnerability. Against an immortal, pseudo-unkillable opponent with BFR removed as an option. I'm sure you understand.

This is not so much a fair fight, as a fight with the conditions needed for Alucard to win. But that does not stop people from trying to low ball Alucard or make silly statements "Superman wins" when this match he clearly cannot. But hey, it happens anyway :/

Im pretty much done debating this anyway as I been addressing the same things over again and already backed my statements.

@uberhikari said:

@cadencev2: All the stuff you just showed me is irrelevant and is a no limits fallacy. First, Alucard has no feats of regeneration that show him coming back from being vaporized with heat vision. Second, even if heat vision wouldn't put Alucard down, Superman's freeze breath could simply make Alucard unable to fight, which would mean Superman wins via KO/incapacitation. Third, if the only way to kill Alucard is with holy weapons or by following some precise ritual, then even a god blast from Thor wouldn't put Alucard down. Not even a galaxy-busting blast from Odin could put Alucard down. Alucard would essentially have infinite durability against any conventional attack.

Wrong and wrong. Look at my above statements to heat vision. I have no clue how total molecule vap would work, but I do know he would release another soul from his coffin. I do know Superman would not use Heat Vision on that level over again a million times if it does not work the first few times.

Also Odin Force? God Blast? These are magic attacks that defy Physics, and Reality. Alucard healing was negated by, what a shock, magic cards that negate healing.

I stated nothing a no limits fallacy as your claiming, I stated that nothing Superman can do will KO Alucard, ever. He has no powerful Magic, and no Holy weapons, nor the vital info to kill Alucard once.

Also Freeze breath was addressed already, Intangibility. Easy day.

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It's a pretty broken thread. This isn't Marvel U vs the Reapers, this is Marvel U vs Thanos with the Reapers as his cheerleader squad.

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@laflux said:

@god_spawn said:

I'd give it to Luther for the majority. Just a breakdown:

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Suck up. You two and your former world Champion shenanigans.

But nice breakdown all the same.

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GEOM still wins this.

One Chaos God > Odin.

GEOM = 4 Chaos Gods.

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Trigun clears. Easily clears.

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@cadencev2:

Which will do what to Alucard? It will not hurt Alucard, that is for sure.

Vaporizing Alucard would not hurt him? Please show me scans of Alucard coming back after being vaporized. The extent of Alucard's regeneration is coming back from a puddle of blood.

Are you serious? I thought you watched Hellsing or something?

Durability

Alucards Durability been the discussion of many people on just how it works. We do know Stabbing a heart and cutting of the head will kill any Vampire. However these methods are useless on Alucard. This is how the Manga describes why.

1-2) Alucard's Coffin is described as his Castle and Keep. He is very protective of it. We know when he goes Level Zero, the Coffin unleashes all the souls and blood he had drained over the centuries.

3-4) Anderson comments on how he seems immortal because he has all these extra lives, which is the best way to put it.

5-8) We see here from Anderson's holy monster form attacks seem to burn away entire swaths of Alucard's souls at a time. Supports how he has spare lives that get used up with killing blows.

9-11) We see Alucard can reabsorb all the blood lost to reestablish his souls. The Major also comments how the soul is in the blood. This seems confirmed by Seras draining Bernadotte blood and has his soul live within her as a familiar.

12-13) Alucard confirms he has to kill over 3 Million souls after absorbing Shroedinger in himself.

Thus we get the insane healing feats of Alucard. Unless you destroy his Coffin, or kill him at Level Zero, your spending time and effort killing him 1 life at a time. Being a Vampire the only way to kill him is Heart Stab, Holy Weapons. Making it a nearly impossible task to take one life.

1-5) Here Anderson impales Alucard with tons of Holy Bayonets. Then takes his head after that. Anderson who is the most knowledgeable Vampire killer recites and confirms with Integra that this process is the only way to kill a Vampire. To take a single life. It fails on Alucard who has 3 million lives. Alucard reforms as Bats of all things. As Integra notes to Anderson, Alucard is not a typical Vampire.

6-8) As seen, Walter sliced and diced what he thought was Level Zero Alucard, it was infact Shaped Shifted Luke, but that does not take away Walter who knows everything about Alucard believed this the real deal. Walter knows this will not take Alucards single life, he has to be Heart Stab, and then Decapitated. In that order as Anderson says as well.

So how does this play into Alucard regen? It means you cannot harm Alucard unless you perform the ritual slaying of Heart Stab and then Decapitation. Holy weapon add to the damage and effect it seems.With out this simple ritual perfromed over 3,000,000+ times, you get Alucard always reforming no matter the damage.

1-6) Anderson using Holy Blades, Heart Stabs, and Decapitation merely KOes Alucard. His Body turns to blood, then bats gather to reform his body.

7-9) Shot to a bloody mess, only to remake himself.

10-15) Shot to pieces again by guns and explosives. Reforms with blood and shadows.

16-19) Crashes at speeds over Mach 3 into a Carrier. Up in one piece in seconds.

@metaljimmor:

Alucard uses hypnosis once to stop a group of enemies from fleeing so now he can casually mind control Superman? Lets not forget this is in character, which means Alucard fighting "Honorably" against an opponent he sees as worthy.

Alucard has no honor when fighting anyone he was sent to kill. Look how he killed Winckle, Dandy Man, Walter (once he went traitor), and Post Nail Anderson. He only finds HUMANS worthy. He despies anything less than human. his words to Walter and Anderson. If he thinks he can win that way, he will use it.

As for the familiars, I already know what they can do. The baskerville hound honestly shouldn't be a big concern. It's strictly what Rip and Dandy are packing that can do serious damage to Superman, and Superman will definitely take evasive action. Two people and a giant dog just exploded out of a mass of shadow tentacles and blood. There is not one single reason why Superman would decide to tank those hits, and with his flight he has a unique ability that should give him the edge on evasiveness with or without his super speed.

Why wouldnt he? He could Heat Beam Doomsday all day, but fought him in a fist fight till he died..... Regardless, Superman can evade, but he has a history of tanking hits as much as Alucard. only Superman can be harmed by Alucard and Alucard is immune to Superman.

The bullet's speeds are somewhat irrelevant since Alucard was able to catch it with his teeth and then crush it casually once he actually bothered to. Superman should be able to do the same by grabbing the bullet and crushing it in his hand, since the bullet's destructive power seems to come from it's speed, and Rip only seemed to have one bullet given she stopped fighting after it was destroyed. As for the cards, Alucard was able to avoid them easily enough during his fight with Dandy Man. Alucard only started taking hits when Mr. Dandy started using card clones and tricks. And you know, because Alucard enjoys taking hits.

You forget, the scans I showed show Alucard being hit 20+ times by said bullet before catching it. Alucard was hit by Danady Man cards too and had to result to Seras helping him. Superman is not easily dodging those attacks if he is reduced to Alucard Speed.

Plus Superman again likes to in character by massive amount of feat (like 95% of feats) to tank attacks :/

You're also kind of assuming Alucard will go right for his strongest familiars early on and do a full on assault. Alucard's only go to familiar is the hound, which will be ripped in half by Superman if it manages to get in close. The others were never used until he used Level 0, and the OP doesn't state he begins at Level 0.

This is also wrong. Alucard never had a chance to use Dandy Man or Van Winckle till he got to London. He fought Winckle with his natural Shadow Manipulating powers, and then was stuck on a ship for the next few Volumes till reaching London. He never had a chance to use his Familiars.

So to say he does not use them at all is inaccurate when he never had a chance to before. He has shown however to use Baskerville Hound ALOT in his fights against Luke, Walter, and Dandy Man.

So if he had Winckle and Dandy Man early on, he probably would used them alot like Baskerville Hound.More evidence toward it than against it.

Actually, can you prove Alucard only loses a "Life" if he gets hit by holy weapons, stabbed through the heart, and decapitated? I know this is a popular theory but as far as I remember it was never stated that completely incinerating Alucard's body down to ash didn't count as a kill. I know Anderson recites the ways one usually kills a vampire after killing Alucard in such a manner, but was it confirmed that all the times Alucard was reduced to a blood puddle for whatever reason didn't count just because he wasn't killed in a specific way?

I showed it above.

Re-absorbing his lost blood also took a huge amount of time and was incredibly obviously telegraphed. It's not really something Alucard can do if his opponent is still up and ready to fight.

Not really, he can function as a bloody shadow on the ground, he does not even need to take a form at all for that matter.

There is a difference between Superman using an ability he has that he only uses on occasion and Alucard using abilities he outright never used in combat. He used hypnosis and possibly TK once against underlings as you said, never in a straight fight, and he's absolutely never used phasing in combat, even when he was down to one life and could very well have died to someone he didn't see as a worthy opponent anymore.

This is such a crappy double standard. you should see that too.

Alucard has only a handful of battles and limited showings. He has used TK and Hypnosis in battle in those limited showings. He cannot be argued he would not use those powers when there is no establish run of battles to determine it so. The fact is in his limited showings, he has used it. he has the options. that is it period.

Your arguing superman dodging attacks when his battles all consist of Superman taking hits! C'mon now....

You wanted some feats for New 52 Superman's durability yes? I haven't really gotten the hang of feat loading so bare with me here..

A much younger, much weaker Superman takes a hit from a tank.

Superman melts bullets with heat vision. Alucard is still a bullet timer based on reaction feats, so Superman should still be able to pull this off. It should also be useful in dealing with the magic card spam.

Gah. I need time to figure out how to work the site's layout. My net is also being overwhelmingly slow to load images so that's all I can provide for right now.

Superman durability is not really in question as the fact Magic negates his Invulnerability. Also the fact Superman is limited to Alucard Speed which really gives Alucard the win here. He can attack Supes from all sides or even use Fog or Bats on a battlefield to obscure reaction times.

Bat Summoning

1-2) Summons bats to reform his body.

3-4) Summon bats to hinder Walter's attacks.

Fog

Summons heavy thick fog to mask his arrival.

All helping even more to Superman's demise.

Though it is all kind of moot. The OP decided not to allow BFR, so Superman has to kill Alucard three million times to win. Even if he certainly has the tools at his disposal to do it, with both his speed and his ability to use his strength to it's fullest potential it's kind of an unfair fight.

That is it there. Superman needs to either kills Alucard 3 Million Times in a specific way (not happening), or needs Holy Weapons (has none), or smash Alucards Coffin with all his stored up lives (he has no clue that is what he needs to do, fans on this site show to have no clue how Alucard works it seems :/), or Superman needs to BFR him (OP made this a no go).

In short, Superman cannot win this specific match.

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at first I was like Master chief in Armour, this been done to death. Then saw this is pretty much no nothing.

Ultramarine curbstomps thanks to better stats with no armor to MC, as well Acid Spit. Add in the fact this is a very veteran Deathwatch Marine, OMG what a easy win :)