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Posted by evilvegeta74

Thor, because he' s the God of Thunder, bringer of pain , one of the most powerful in Mu, and honestly when written properly has an seriously vast amount of power that supercedes Helspont's power. I'm not saying this because Thor is my favorite in comics, go check their abilities and go from there.

Edited by patrat18

who wins

Edited by matchesmalone21

Helspont wins

Posted by Enzeru--defunct

Thor wins.
Helspont didn't have to deal with someone of Thor's caliber yet. He never faced someone, who matches Thor's damage output.

New 52 Superman is the most overrated character on Comicvine at the moment.

Posted by matchesmalone21

@patrat18: Helspont s capable to keep on par with the most powerful being in Wildstorm universe,extremely intelligent and is a true strategist, not counting their telepathic powers give an advantage and also is capable to absorbs any energy that Thor would thrown at him.

@enzeru: If you didn't see the OP stated he can use pre-flashpoint and New 52 feats,this have nothing to do with Superman. Helspont deal with people more skilled and intelligent than Thor such Majestic

Posted by Enzeru--defunct

If you didn't see the OP stated he can use pre-flashpoint and New 52 feats,this have nothing to do with Superman. Helspont deal with people more skilled and intelligent than Thor such Majestic

Didn't realize it was Pre 52 as well.
New 52 would lose to Thor.

Edited by patrat18
Edited by Enzeru--defunct
@patrat18 said:

@enzeru: can you explain why

Because Helspont didn't fight challenging opponents in the New 52.
And yes, the new 52 Superman is not a challenging opponent.

The fan-wanking of Superman on Comicvine went up to ridiculous levels. It used to be bad bad then in the days, but nowdays it's just ... wow.
Why? All because Superman lifted the Earth for 5 days straight, which is a stupid, out of context feat.
But people keep bringing that up in EVERY SINGLE Superman feat and say that something like that puts them above everything characters like Thor and Hulk have ever acomplished.

In every single thread I'm saying that Superman has the speed advantage in a fight between these characters, but even then I'm giving them the benefit of a doubt, since they were able to tag fast characters before and if the fight happens in character, Superman would never be able to totally overwhelm opponents that strong and durable with strenght alone.

Thor's high end feats stand so much above Superman's high end feats that it's not even funny anymore.
Superman survived the collision of two planets (pre new 52)? Thor survived the force of 20 planets.
Superman survived a supernova (pre new 52)? Thor survived a blast with the power of 1000 suns.
Superman survived a 10 gigawatt electro bolt (new 52 - and to be fair, he was weakened at that point)? Thor survived being attacked by Celestials.

Why should I believe that Superman's punches would bother Thor, judging by his durability feats? Why should I believe that Superman's punches would bother Hulk, who has also better feats than Superman?
But no, it's always the same old crap with Superman fans. "Speed this, Earth-benchpress-for-5-days that".

And then you have people like @lvenger and @ancient_0f_days saying that "Wonder Woman is only slightly weaker" or that "Superman's feats are better than Thor's feats" ... *facepalm of mass destruction* and one of them is straight up lying about moments in comics and never comic back to a thread, when he has been called out on his lies.

Whatever ... I'm not saying that Thor would defeat Helspont, since like always - I tend to say that we didn't really see upper limits of such a character and I'm not simply letting Thor's feats win the fight for him, but I do see Thor coming out on top, when I look at everything he has done in fights and destroying planets with sheer attacks and creating black holes is pretty damn impressive IMO and more raw damage output than from what I've seen from Helspont.

Edited by Ancient_0f_Days

@enzeru: whole lot of sh*t talking and nothing to back it up....not surprising. Find me evidence of one of us lying about moments in comics and at last one credible debater that agrees with you, just one. Other than that, it's obvious you have no idea what you're talking about, nice whine and complain about how Superman would beat Thor though....me and Lvenger had a debate about how close Wonder Woman comes to Superman, but don't let me stop you from whining and denying facts.

Edited by patrat18

@enzeru: damn have you seen this ? all the feats mentioned are true. also this is current thor

Posted by Enzeru--defunct

whole lot of sh*t talking and nothing to back it up....not surprising.

Look who is talking: "Mr. Attitude on the internet" ... not surprising.

Find me evidence of one of us lying about moments in comics and at last one credible debater that agrees with you, just one.

Can't remember the thread, where your buddy came up with a bunch of lies regarding the Flash and the Anti-Monitor fight and never went back to that thread, after getting confronted with evidence.

Other than that, it's obvious you have no idea what you're talking about, nice whine and complain about how Superman would beat Thor though....

Comicvine is full of people like you, who barely know about Thor and Hulk feats and think that Superman could solo these two characters at once and I'm the one, who doesn't know what he is talking about?

me and Lvenger had a debate about how close Wonder Woman comes to Superman, but don't let me stop you from whining and denying facts.

Facts? There are no facts. Wonder Woman can surpass Superman and she will still be below Thor.
The only attribute that BARELY lets her win a fight against someone like Thor is her speed advantage. Other than that her damage output is not there. Her durability is not there. Her defenses to Thor's magic are not there.
Lvenger and you walk around and look at the way Thor is normally portrayed on Marvel Earth and pick few high end feats of Superman, which surpass Thor's showings on Earth and that's the way you judge every single of these fights.

Posted by Enzeru--defunct
@patrat18 said:

damn have you seen this ? all the feats mentioned are true. also this is current thor

I know that and all of that is meaningless, because Thor's durability is simply much higher than Superman's judging by their high end feats. On top of that Superman would have more problems with Thor's magic, than Thor would have problems with Superman's damage output.

As always ... it's all about the speed, which gives Superman the win.

Posted by AllStarSuperman

@enzeru: you using Classic Thor feats is like me useing Silver Age Superman feats. back then Superman held up the universe and was faster then infinity!

Edited by TifaLockhart

Part of my problem with feats. People take them too literally.

Posted by patrat18

@enzeru: i completely understand were your coming from after i read that bench press feat i came on the comic vine and for like a week that's all i was preaching. The thing about Thor is even with all his feats he still gets battered and beaten with less damage than what was in other comics, you may call it PIS but it really is fact. Thor gets his ass handed to him by heavy hitters when he goes against them, for example in avengers 1-2 thor fought a mind controlled hulk and got hammered. Hyperion survived 2 universes colliding yet hulk could make him bleed with one punch. Thor may be a god but he has to have weaknesses in order to make the character readable and interesting, other wise whats the point of him going against anybody. The same can be said for superman,Hulk,flash,Hyperion,spawn, ect they have to be weaken to a degree.

Edited by Enzeru--defunct

you using Classic Thor feats is like me useing Silver Age Superman feats. back then Superman held up the universe and was faster then infinity!


Marvel never had a regular retcon like DC did.
Classic Thor is still the same Thor, just not really portrayed that way anymore, but he still comes up with ridiculous stuff from time to time. In the end of the day Thor is still Thor and Superman is not SA Superman anymore.

@patrat18 said:

i completely understand were your coming from after i read that bench press feat i came on the comic vine and for like a week that's all i was preaching. The thing about Thor is even with all his feats he still gets battered and beaten with less damage than what was in other comics, you may call it PIS but it really is fact. Thor gets his ass handed to him by heavy hitters when he goes against them, for example in avengers 1-2 thor fought a mind controlled hulk and got hammered. Hyperion survived 2 universes colliding yet hulk could make him bleed with one punch. Thor may be a god but he has to have weaknesses in order to make the character readable and interesting, other wise whats the point of him going against anybody. The same can be said for superman,Hulk,flash,Hyperion,spawn, ect they have to be weaken to a degree.


And I understand where you're coming from, but at the same time Thor stated many times that he holds back, while "fighting mere mortals from the Earth".
Thor's feats during his cosmic adventures easily surpass everything he has done on the Earth.

To the Hyperion instance ... yeah, it's weird that Hyperion survives the explosion of two universes, but Hulk is able to hurt him. CitizenBane asked the writer about that, but the writer didn't say all too much about it.
The way I see it ... characters are these are ridiculously powerful, but they don't always walk around with their max strenght / durability under their dispossal. They still need to build up the momentum and a state of shock helps that ... there are stories of mothers gaining super strenght, when their baby is in danger ... they rip car doors open, without giving a damn, because they utilize hidden strenght and I think that the same can be said for someone like Hyperion ... when in a state of shock and the need to survive he survives an universal explosion, but when he is not in such danger his strenght and durability levels are simply lower, therefore Hulk can hurt him. Would Hulk be able to beat him to death? Probably not, but then again - Hulk managed to open / close dimensional rifts with his punches. Sentry (non-canon) managed to punch through reality, when he was in need to survive.

The same can be said for their strenght levels... they're all supposed to be +100 tonners, which meant a lot back in the day, but nowdays it's nothing ... yet such powerful characters, who could lift cities still struggle with less weight from time to time, because they're not +100.000.000.000.000.000.000.000 tonners all of the time. They need to build up the momentum to acomplish that kind of a strenght feat.

Posted by Ancient_0f_Days

@enzeru: I can have an attitude and still not be talking utter bullsh*t like you...get your facts straight.

of course you can't remember the thread .... but I still believe you, I take your word for it...how many grains of salt would that be?

I know all about Thors and Hulks feats since I've been debating against Thor and Hulk fans for over a year almost non-stop. I've gone up against their respective experts on this site Jeanroygrant aka Thundergodswrath and The Acidskull, winning a few of the debates I've had with them in the past. Venomoushatred and Jeanroygrant in the same thread agreed with my reasoning of why Wonder Woman could and would beat or stalemate Thor ..... I can say I have more than enough knowledge of Thor and Hulk, my progress in the areas of credibility and general debate seem to be a bit ahead of yours as well so don't think you can label me as ignorant or biased or biased especially when I can wager you haven't seen half of Wonder Woman's feats and like to overrate and wank Marvel characters (especially sentry) whenever you feel its possible.

Once again, ignoring facts, you think all Wonder Woman has is speed, you think all Superman has going for him is speed, ignorance, ignorance, ignorance. I guess Wonder Woman doesn't have magical unbreakable bracers and a healing factor, I guess Superman at the beginning or the post crisis time line didn't survive an explosion from that of a suneater that nearly wiped out a galaxy and push war world which was already going translightspeed in the other direction.....

Silly me right? LOL what a joke.

Posted by patrat18

@enzeru: That's the thing about superman he always holds back even when he was getting beaten to death by doomsday. He worries about killing his opponents, or the city taking damage, or people in the city getting hurt, i once read that super man only uses 25% of his strength. Superboy prime is an example of what Superman is really capable of if not stronger, the thing about the new 52 is it just started, dc is not going to throw all of superman's feats to come in 22- 40 issues. The books need time, superman has had some feats to back up the bench pressing feat so it can't be counted as PIS. I see what your saying about the shock aspect of their powers, but no marvel writer has ever said that when asked, i just don't understand Hyperion he is also hyped on the vine, tho not as popular as superman. Every time i see a thread with hyperion the only scan i see and i mean thee only scan is him holding two universes apart, thus making him win every battle in the users eyes.

Posted by Enzeru--defunct

I can have an attitude and still not be talking utter bullsh*t like you...get your facts straight.


The problem is when you do talk non-sense, while having an attitude. It makes it twice as bad.


of course you can't remember the thread .... but I still believe you, I take your word for it...how many grains of salt would that be?

Uhm ... I don't remember the thread, but I remember all the non-sense he wrote in that thread to back the Flash up. He said stuff like that Flash was the only one who was capable of harming the Anti-Monitor and beating him up, while everyone else was useless including Silver Age Kryptonians, while totally ignoring that the Anti-Monitor got depowered by Dr. Light before that attack ... that Flash empowered the other heroes, by giving them speed, which made their attacks faster ... that these empowered heroes then punched a huge hole in Anti-Monitor's chest and knocked him on his ass. THEN Flash came along to do the rest and Anti-Monitor still stood up and wiped all the heroes out.

I can wager you haven't seen half of Wonder Woman's feats and like to overrate and wank Marvel characters (especially sentry) whenever you feel its possible.

I know Wonder Woman well enough to know that her high end feats don't compete with Thor's, but even then I still give her the win, because of her speed.

Your approach to argueing is > terrible < ... You pick a high end feat of Wonder Woman and say that such a high end feat makes her able to overcome Thor, while ignoring that Thor's high end feat of durability makes her high end feat of damage look like ... nothing. NOTHING. You're picking good feats of certain characters and ignore the good feats of others.
You IGNORE facts and actual context to make arguments for your characters. I don't do that. I take everything I know into consideration and that applies for the Sentry as well - especially for the Sentry.

Once again, ignoring facts, you think all Wonder Woman has is speed, you think all Superman has going for him is speed, ignorance, ignorance, ignorance. I guess Wonder Woman doesn't have magical unbreakable bracers and a healing factor, I guess Superman at the beginning or the post crisis time line didn't survive an explosion from that of a suneater that nearly wiped out a galaxy and push war world which was already going translightspeed in the other direction.....

Show me the instance, where Superman survived an explosion which nearly wiped out a galaxy.

Silly me right? LOL what a joke.

Yes, silly you.
And once again, if I were you, I would watch my attitude. You are on the internet. Anyone with at least half of a brain does not take you seriously, when you approach them like that. You disqualify yourself with such an attitude.

Posted by TifaLockhart

@enzeru: actually, that Flash stuff did happen. It's silly, but its from Flash #150.

Posted by Enzeru--defunct

@enzeru: actually, that Flash stuff did happen. It's silly, but its from Flash #150.

I know that it happened, but not the way Flash fanboys like to pretend it was.

Edited by Lvenger

@enzeru: See this is why I don't debate you anymore. Because of BS like this. Wonder Woman has proven herself to be nearly as strong as Thor and Superman has a physical edge. Get a grip and stop letting your bias hatred for DC affect the outcome of fights. And how dare you call me a liar on the Flash feat. I never said Wally BEAT the Anti Monitor, I said Wally busted the armour of the Anti Monitor. There's a difference, something your puny mind seems unable to grasp. Stop calling me out on these things so I don't have to keep showing you up for the waste of space you are.

Posted by Enzeru--defunct
Posted by Lvenger

@enzeru: I'm glad you've responded with an immature gif since that means I don't have to waste my time aimlessly arguing with you.

Posted by Ancient_0f_Days

@enzeru said:

Show me the instance, where Superman survived an explosion which nearly wiped out a galaxy.

Action_Comics_Vol_1_663 - The sun eater was considerably larger than a star, had been in existence for millenia and had consumed the energy of many stars by travelling from galaxy to galaxy. Superman was at ground zero, sending him to another time as a result while the onlooking legionaries found no trace of him.

If you were me, you'd actually get taken seriously .... anyone with half a brain? that a lot of half brained people then....I don't care if they take me seriously or not, they take me seriously because I'm right more than I'm wrong.

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@lvenger said:

I'm glad you've responded with an immature gif since that means I don't have to waste my time aimlessly arguing with you.

I'm not going to respond in a mature way to someone, who continues to lie, even when confronted with his lies.

For example: You say that you never said Flash BEAT the Anti-Monitor, but that was not my point. In the thread a while ago, you said that everyone on the battlefield was useless and that Flash was the only one who manated to bust his armor, while ignoring sooo much stuff. Either you didn't know that because you only saw the scan of him speedblitzing through Anti-Monitor's armor, or you simply ignored it and walked over corpses to get your will through. Something a lot of people on Comicvine tend to do.

But yeah, do us BOTH a favour and don't respond to me anymore. Best thing you can do for yourself and more so for me.

Posted by TifaLockhart

Um, what just happened? Never mind. Don't tell me.

Posted by buttersdaman000

@enzeru said:
@patrat18 said:

@enzeru: can you explain why

Because Helspont didn't fight challenging opponents in the New 52.

And yes, the new 52 Superman is not a challenging opponent.

The fan-wanking of Superman on Comicvine went up to ridiculous levels. It used to be bad bad then in the days, but nowdays it's just ... wow.

Why? All because Superman lifted the Earth for 5 days straight, which is a stupid, out of context feat.

But people keep bringing that up in EVERY SINGLE Superman feat and say that something like that puts them above everything characters like Thor and Hulk have ever acomplished.

In every single thread I'm saying that Superman has the speed advantage in a fight between these characters, but even then I'm giving them the benefit of a doubt, since they were able to tag fast characters before and if the fight happens in character, Superman would never be able to totally overwhelm opponents that strong and durable with strenght alone.

Thor's high end feats stand so much above Superman's high end feats that it's not even funny anymore.

Superman survived the collision of two planets (pre new 52)?

Thor survived the force of 20 planets.

Superman survived a supernova (pre new 52)?

Thor survived a blast with the power of 1000 suns.

Superman survived a 10 gigawatt electro bolt (new 52 - and to be fair, he was weakened at that point)?

Thor survived being attacked by Celestials.

Why should I believe that Superman's punches would bother Thor, judging by his durability feats? Why should I believe that Superman's punches would bother Hulk, who has also better feats than Superman?

But no, it's always the same old crap with Superman fans. "Speed this, Earth-benchpress-for-5-days that".

And then you have people like

@lvenger

and

@ancient_0f_days

saying that "Wonder Woman is only slightly weaker" or that "Superman's feats are better than Thor's feats" ... *facepalm of mass destruction* and one of them is straight up lying about moments in comics and never comic back to a thread, when he has been called out on his lies.

Whatever ... I'm not saying that Thor would defeat Helspont, since like always - I tend to say that we didn't really see upper limits of such a character and I'm not simply letting Thor's feats win the fight for him, but I do see Thor coming out on top, when I look at everything he has done in fights and destroying planets with sheer attacks and creating black holes is pretty damn impressive IMO and more raw damage output than from what I've seen from Helspont.

Care to explains why you believe New 52 Superman is hyped up? Also, can you expand upon why you think those one-off feats for Thor really count? The way I see it, his more 'out of there' cosmic feats are......'out of there'. He performs some ridiculous feat, much like Superman, but then does nothing to back it up. And then, just like Superman fanboys, its hyped up to crazy levels. Like Marvel Now Thor is not as impressive as he's being portrayed on the 'vine now. So, I would just like some scans and explanations please.

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Posted by Enzeru--defunct

The sun eater was considerably larger than a star, had been in existence for millenia and had consumed the energy of many stars by travelling from galaxy to galaxy.


I expected you to post that.

What makes you think that the Sun Eater was storing all of that and released it during the explosion?
Show me where it was stated that the explosion was powerful enough to wipe out a galaxy. The Sun-Eater floating around and consuming stuff doesn't back it up at all.

Posted by Enzeru--defunct

Care to explains why you believe New 52 Superman is hyped up?


People only talk about New 52 Superman, because he was benchpressing the Earth for 5 days straight, which is in my eyes a non-sensical feat and should be considered bad writing, because there is no context behind it. It's just thrown at your face without any reason.

But that's just my opinion, so it doesn't matter in a debate.
But we also had New 52 Superman talking about himself and how he can level mountains with his punches, which has been backed up as well, when he punched H'El without holding back and the narration told us that the punch would have leveled a mountain.
When Superman himself stated that about his punch he also said that he can lift city-blocks, which are not as heavy as the Earth as far as I know. Then we also had Superman and Wonder Woman gasping, while they were trying lifting a large submarine, or whatever that was.

So it's basically two things and probably even more compared to that one feat everyone talks about, even though it's plain and simply stupid.

I just don't think that New 52 Superman has done enough impressive stuff or was in enough impressive fights for me to believe that he is nearly as powerful as Pre 52 Superman was, but you still have people here on Comicvine, who believe that he was even more powerful! That is ridiculous!
And all of that is coming from that one stupid Earth-benchpress-feat.

Also, can you expand upon why you think those one-off feats for Thor really count? The way I see it, his more 'out of there' cosmic feats are......'out of there'. He performs some ridiculous feat, much like Superman, but then does nothing to back it up. And then, just like Superman fanboys, its hyped up to crazy levels.

It doesn't matter what I think, but if more people would think like I do we would have much more interesting and versatile fights.
The way it is now is that we're having high end feats versus high end feats:
How could anyone defeat the Flash, if he can punch you 1000 times in a matter of seconds?
How could anyone defeat Superman, if he can benchpress the Earth for 5 days straight without a break and without sunlight?
How could anyone defeat Hyperion now, if he is invulnerable enough to withstand two universal explosions in his face?
How could anyone defeat the Sentry / Void now, if he is powerful enough to easily defeat someone, who was affecting various dimensions and timelines during one of his fights?

If we go by such an approach then everything high end levely Thor has come up with matters. We know that Thor holds back, when facing opponents from the Earth, since most of them are inferior to him in terms of strenght and durability - feat wise.
Most of Thor's best feats happened during cosmic level adventures, since there he has worthier opponents.

Like Marvel Now Thor is not as impressive as he's being portrayed on the 'vine now. So, I would just like some scans and explanations please.


Just read his Marvel Now! stuff D: And from what I can tell it's still the same Thor. It's if you choose to ignore everything he came up with in the past, or not. It's up to you.

Posted by Ostyo

@enzeru: You insane? Helspont fights Mr. Majestic on a regular basis, Helspont is easily Thor's equal.

Posted by Killemall

Shame the thread has gone a bit hostile i was hoping to try and put scans in.

Thor run in Thor: God Of Thunder has been pretty cool in terms of power, from nearly destroying the planet as a side effect of the fight with Gorr, being able to hold the entire planet together with Earth manipulation, having hit Gorr had enough to create a wormhole in the sky, being able to absorb god blood which was powerful enough to destroy gods in every universe in the entire marvel multiverse, his feat here has been significantly better than his feats elsewhere.

Edited by chiq

@killemall said:

Shame the thread has gone a bit hostile i was hoping to try and put scans in.

Thor run in Thor: God Of Thunder has been pretty cool in terms of power, from nearly destroying the planet as a side effect of the fight with Gorr, being able to hold the entire planet together with Earth manipulation, having hit Gorr had enough to create a wormhole in the sky, being able to absorb god blood which was powerful enough to destroy gods in every universe in the entire marvel multiverse, his feat here has been significantly better than his feats elsewhere.

Which version of Thor accomplished all those feats? Current Thor? Also how would you apply that god blood feat in a battle forum setting? Is is some sort of energy absorption feat? was it tailor made to just affect gods? sounds uber...

Edited by Killemall

@chiq: Most of this was accomplished by younger version of Thor, before he even this Mjolnir, which was impressive. The God Blood was accomplished by Thor (current, so 3 Thors: young Thor, Avengers Thor and King Thor, hehe pretty cool idea aye?)

Its hard to say what it is, its a bomb thats what it was , a bomb that was going to kill every gods in every universe, and Thor just absorbed it all, i assuming its showing of both durability (because gods were getting KOed/ killed just by coming in contact with it) and energy absorption.

And yes the bomb was made to only affect gods, that was Gorr's only plan because he hated gods and wanted to kill them all.

If you havent read, the 11 issues from Thor: God of Thunder has been pretty cool. I loved the idea of Gorr where most part of the story you actually understand whats happening to Gorr. He was powerful, his quest did make sense (if you have a dying family, living in a world that itself is dying, only to realise it was all because 2 gods were fighting for whatever purpose, or your whole life you have only seen people kill each other in the name of god, wouldnt it be logical to actually outright hate the idea of god??, thats what happened with Gorr). And ending was brilliant, how Gorr eventually sort of becomes what he always hate, he is at the end labelled God of Hypocrisy which was pretty cool.

Thor's showing in the series is vastly better than i have seen anywhere in current times.

Posted by chiq

@killemall: Yeah, i have been hearing good things about that story line, I might check it out. Thanks a lot.

Posted by Killemall

@chiq: Glad to help, although be warned first couple of issues are not as intense, it can be boring and hard to follow. Its really grips after a while once we get more into who Gorr is and what his plans are.

Posted by SHAZAM117

@killemall: @chiq: 100% agree with Killemall. THOR: God of Thunder is MARVEL's best book out imo. Everything from the writing to the stunning artwork.

I just finishing reading iss#11, the conclusion to the Gorr/Godbomb story arc and it was epic and really showed what current Thor is capable of and can withstand. Tho current Thor is the same Thor since 62' or whenever he debuted since MARVEL never rebooted.

I'd say reading the Godbomb arc, Thor would put up WAY more of a fight against Helspont than Supes did. Supes basically tried to brawl with Helspont and got back-handed to the moon for his troubles. Thor brings a lot more to the fight with Mjolnir.......IF uses it properly like he's shown recently

Posted by Sebast_Allen

@shazam117: Awesome post, though one problem, thor doesnt require mjolnir, it is just a way to focus his innate powers better

"whoever so wields this hammer shall have the power of thor" , not the hammer, it just draws upon thor's power to work like it does.

Posted by Deranged Midget

Helsont hasn't displayed any feast since the Superman annual and correct me if I'm wrong, but he hasn't even shown up since then. Thor has some pretty impressive feats from God Bomb that would give him a decent chance against Helspont despite him still remaining relatively featless for the most part in the New 52.

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Edited by Immortal777
Posted by Sebast_Allen

Im going to post what i said why thor wins in another thread...

Right now incomics thor would win, the feats he has displayed throughout his marvel NOW career have been amazing

Thor has shown himself to be quite fast recently and h'el has not yet let loose speed blitsing that thor couldnt react to.He was going up against people like apocolypse before mjolnir, he made it rain fire/lightning without it, he hit a guy so hard a black hole formed, he one shotted the guy with lightning while thor was near death (this guy he one shotted killed thousands of gods) without the hammer and he fought inside the sun without the hammer. He beats the shitaki mushrooms out of h'el with his large hammer or chops h'el up and fries him with jarnborn (he butchered apocolypse with it). And all the above feats were a young thor who hasnt discovered his true power. And thor's fighting skills are legend, using speed would be a Good arguement. Though i recall thor tagging loki who was said to be as fast as thought with his hammer by throwing it as fast as light. And he can go much faster as he travels lightyears in seconds. So he can throw it at it's travel speeds at h'el and he can make it follow him till it tags him (mjolnir outraced surfer at top speeds). He also has area of attack moves like his wind of 1000 worlds to shred h'el.He can also absorb h'el's heat vision and send it back 100 times as strong. He could also absorb supes solar energy like he absorbed kang the conqurers energies.

Yip, but thor wins in a tough battle, the power he has been showing is amazing, fighting in suns, hitting so hard planets crack and wormholes form. Fixing planets via earth manipulation, one shotting gorr with lightning while thor was near death, butchering apocolyose, making solar storms to make his ship move faster than light, make it rain lightning and fire, easily destroying gigantic chunks of moon, being referred to as either a world breaker/world killer. Hurting the starbrand user. Thor wins....


And mjolnir can fight of h'els matter manipulation.

I'm sorry, but helspont loses.

Posted by Deranged Midget

@deranged_midget: Helspont gets both pre and new 52 feats for this thread.

Well then, that's a completely different story.

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Posted by jojjimbo

Thor.

Edited by spiderbuck

@killemall said:

@chiq: Most of this was accomplished by younger version of Thor, before he even this Mjolnir, which was impressive. The God Blood was accomplished by Thor (current, so 3 Thors: young Thor, Avengers Thor and King Thor, hehe pretty cool idea aye?)

Wasn't it called the God Bomb? sorry if I'm wrong but that's what I recall.

Helspont is a beast, but I think he's > Glory, .... atm I think Thor takes this.

Posted by BOdinson

@killemall said:

@chiq: Most of this was accomplished by younger version of Thor, before he even this Mjolnir, which was impressive. The God Blood was accomplished by Thor (current, so 3 Thors: young Thor, Avengers Thor and King Thor, hehe pretty cool idea aye?)

wasn't it called the God Bomb? sorry if I'm wrong but that's what I recall

Yes it was.

Edited by Killemall

Wasn't it called the God Bomb? sorry if I'm wrong but that's what I recall.

The weapon itself was called God Bomb by Gorr, it was powered by God Blood, thats what powers up Gorr and everything related to him, and why he progressively grew stronger.

The weapon was actually given an official name much later as "Annihilablade, the all black necrosword"

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