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@killemall: I always read Sentry's powers as voluntary. As in, he only has them when he wants to, or thinks he has them. Maybe I'm wrong, but when I view his feat list from that perspective it makes a lot more sense.

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@killemall said:

Thats a easy one, that was Sentry and not the Void, give the lack of glowing eyes , the very out of character potrayal, because Void is not that peaceful anyways, he cares about killing. He is hardly going to try and save everyone life.

The term often referred to in battle forum is "void juiced sentry" for this state, given he seem to be tapping into some power of the void, namely the massive molecule manipulation because Sentry feat with it is a little questionable (not denying Sentry does have molecular manipulation but its not a very prominent power from him, but rather from the Void).

To be fair Sentrys entire powet set got retconned. He never gained molecule manipulation as a power. It was a retcon and it stated that everything he does is based on molecule manipulation and that should be respected, just the way we respect all the other retcons. Sentry had feats which were not explainable in the past and with that we finally had the answer.

Here is one of the feats, which should clearly be linked to the molecule manipulation. When he was ready to transform back into the Sentry the Watchtower appeared back as well. He basically molecule manipulated the crap out of it and the same applies for his suit, the healing and creating of stuff and so on.

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Firstly why would Void be angry at Ultron from killing his wife?

Because Ultron just killed his wife, Lindy.

If there is one thing both Bob and Void have in common, they love Lindy.

This isnt even the first time Void has showed up when anything has happened to Lindy, there is a better instance here :)


Thank you for posting the scans for everyone else. I did my best to find them, but I failed big time, so I described the instance with Super Skrull.

So yeah, Sentry did come back 'all Voided out' to defeat Super Skrull and protect Lindy, but in the end of the day it was still Sentry somewhat possessed by a split personality. It wasn't exactly Void. I know that you might disagree with that, but you have to keep in mind that we also saw the Void threatening Lindy more than once. He even went so far that he was trying to kill her after the gun-instance and Sentry was there to stop him after the inner battle. He says that Bob doesn't let him kill Lindy. Later on in the comic Sentry (with normal eyes) looks to Lindy, while he is still flying around with Norman. Sentry doesn't look all too happy. Then he looks back to Norman and smiles. Norman looks down, sees Lindy and the next thing you see is how he orders Bullseye to kill someone. Sentry basically told him to kill Lindy and there were no black eyes, just black speech bubbles during few of the last sentences.

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@killemall said:

Before Sentry goes Void, Ultron is able to calculate how to defeat him, not to mention easily holding her/her/its own against Sentry

Ultron: "Your physical defeat has been calculated and executed."

You know, I don't have a problem with them making Ultron more powerful than Sentry. What I had a problem with was exactly that particular sentence.: "Your physical defeat has been calculated and executed."

That doesn't make any sense, because in the past Sentry has been able to handle more punishment than the Helicarrier impact would have been. Sentry has tanked WW Hulks punches to the face and smiled about it. He stood before Black Bolt and wanted to talk. And Black Bolt did talk.

Then there is also the fact that Sentry was not able to lift the Helicarrier. Even that I can live with, since how logical is it that such a being can bring up all the needed strenght in that amount of time to catch and balance the Helicarrier instantly? That should actually be very tough, especially since we're also talking about balancing the Helicarrier out to save the people on it. But something like that was not the case. They simply made it look like the Helicarrier was too heavy and that Sentry needed help from Ms. Marvel and Wonder Man, who are both far weaker than him. Unfortunately I can't provide all the scans, but:

1. Ms. Marvel asked him to knock out a gigantic symbiote

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2. Ms. Marvel was not able to free herself from a monster, which Sentry tore apart and left Ms. Marvel astonished

3. Ms. Marvel was not able to hold Ares, yet Sentry stopped him casually

Similar stuff probably applies for Wonder Man as well. Sentry was the one they sent into the battle, when Wonder Man was available as well. It's obvious that Sentry can outmuscle both of these characters and that their help shouldn't be needed, when it comes to lifting the Helicarrier, but hey.. Bendis wanted it that way.

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An extermely long rant but the point was black speech bubble, which seem to be the sign of darkness, was pretty exclusively kept for the Void.

Yeah, you're right. No clear Void during the Ultron fight. I had it differently in mind :-( But then again, it's actually not that much of a deal, because of all the other versions. Sentry with glowing eyes as Void, Sentry with black eyes as Void, actual Void saying stuff only Sentry would say and so on. The topic is a tricky pony and that's what makes it so appealing.

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But thats ok, i am enjoying the debate , i am hoping so are you, its always a pleasant feel when both side are willing to read and consider each others point and debate with respect.

Of course I do ;-) And I agree 100%

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You however remind me of a old posted here Enzeru, the person who got me hooked into Sentry to begin with, plesant memories, he still comes in KMC i believe, he doesnt come on comicvine, shame really. Hopefully someday he gets a new user name, comes back to comicvine and at least say hello :)

Dude, wasn't that like 2 years ago or something?

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@chibio: Honestly it looks the same after being edited and replied to you before you edited i think :)

But thats ok, i am enjoying the debate , i am hoping so are you, its always a pleasant feel when both side are willing to read and consider each others point and debate with respect.

You however remind me of a old posted here Enzeru, the person who got me hooked into Sentry to begin with, plesant memories, he still comes in KMC i believe, he doesnt come on comicvine, shame really. Hopefully someday he gets a new user name, comes back to comicvine and at least say hello :)

Dont bother, he ignores all other facts and points to minor ones like Black Eyes (Artist Artwork in no way dictate character changes) and thats his Opinion. He rather downplay Sentry as the guy who lost to Hulk in a bad mind state rather than the power house he was before Siege.

I disagree here though mate, while i agree to not being the Void complete persona its hard to deny he was tapping into some of Void's power,given his dark eyes, which changes in the middle of the fight, after he was brought back by Molecule Man. Eye color change was most likely done on purpose.

Also give there is a whole issue that demonstrate change in Sentry power level, under stress and how the dark eyes give him a new energy fluctuation and significantly change his stats its hard to deny.

I think the terms often used is Void-juiced-Sentry.

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@chibio said:

@killemall I like your style, man. Very detailed and perfectly placed scans :-) But I still think that you got something wrong, especially something that is actually very crucial to the Sentry, but most of the people seem to ignore it. Even you.

Cheers although i think its more to do with the fact that we are interpreting it in 2 different ways, but i have to go to work soon as soon as my alarm goes off, so if i dont reply to some part i will do so in few days or hours depending on how tired i am :p

There is nothing specific about the Void. Nothing that stands out. The entire point of the Sentry character seems to be that he is a mess. At least that's what was later on the case. You know how the Void appeared in the past. He had black speech bubbles and various different forms. He was straight up a construct coming from Bobs fragile mind. The idea was probably that Sentry was in control and Void didn't stand that much of a chance, but later on it looked like he started taking over and you could see Sentry being possesed by the Void over and over and over again.

Partly i agree with you, partly i dont.

Is there anything specific about Void, i would say yes, the black speech bubble thats the one that stands out the most.

What i however agree with you is that its Sentry and Void being 2 aspect of the same person so its hard to know which was is which, and then we have the whole state that is commonly referred to as "void juiced sentry" where it seem Sentry might be tapping into a different set of powers, perhaps that of the void.

1. Here we have the Sentry with black eyes, but regular speech bubbles and intentions Void would not have.

Thats a easy one, that was Sentry and not the Void, give the lack of glowing eyes , the very out of character potrayal, because Void is not that peaceful anyways, he cares about killing. He is hardly going to try and save everyone life.

The term often referred to in battle forum is "void juiced sentry" for this state, given he seem to be tapping into some power of the void, namely the massive molecule manipulation because Sentry feat with it is a little questionable (not denying Sentry does have molecular manipulation but its not a very prominent power from him, but rather from the Void).

The same thread has a whole page of why that was Sentry instead of Void so i am gonna not spend too much time in it.

2. Here we have Sentry with black eyes (he also had black speech bubbles) attacking Ultron. He was angry, because Ultron killed his wife and why would Void be angry about something like that? at that point

unrelated: for some reason i am having trouble quoting you, hope it comes out correct.

Firstly why would Void be angry at Ultron from killing his wife?

Because Ultron just killed his wife, Lindy.

If there is one thing both Bob and Void have in common, they love Lindy.

This isnt even the first time Void has showed up when anything has happened to Lindy, there is a better instance here :)

Lets go back to basic, (scan spammage, oh yeah!)

In Mighty Avengers 14 , which is a part of Secret Invasion, Skrull takes on heroes, one of the skrull pretends to be the Void. Result, Sentry starts to cry and runs away.

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Sentry reaches somewhere in deep space

Without Sentry to protect Lindy is vulnerable, who will protect out poor old Lindy?

Well thats what the Super Skrull thought too and hence he goes to attack Lindy in Sentry own house.

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What does Lindy do, with tears on her eyes reply "Do you know who my husband is? Do you know where you are? Touch me and my husband will kill you, i am not even a little joking?"

To answer out poor misguided Superskrull her husband is Bob Reynold, the crazy guy with split personality, while one of his personality might be Sentry, he has another more ruthless personality the Void.

Thats what was explained in the scan i posted last time, from Origins of Seige

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Sentry and Void are light and dark halves of the same personality, Bob Reynold, you mess with his wife, one personality might be crying over on the other part of the solar system the other will definitely comes back to beat your a$$.

And thats what the Superskrull found out the hard way.

First he gets blitz

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Then Superskurll gets murdered, poor fellow:

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Then we get Void saying he will take care of her and hugs her

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What i am trying to say where, which i know i could have said with a lot less threaticality, is basically Void loves Lindy, and thats why your other point Sentry turning into void going "Where is my wife"..

Because he cares about her, always has.

Now back to Ultron part, that most likely was Void- Juice Sentry, or at least a good part of him taking over.

Why?

Before Sentry goes Void, Ultron is able to calculate how to defeat him, not to mention easily holding her/her/its own against Sentry

Ultron: "Your physical defeat has been calculated and executed."

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Ultron then drops the hellicarrier distracting Sentry and Ms Marvel, and when they are busy she goes and kills Lindy

Big mistake.

Now Sentry finds the dead Lindy, begins to cry, which is ok something more important then happens.

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Lets break it down, the moment Sentry finds out his wife is dead what happens, there is an energy fluctuation

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The energy according to Ultron is "unidentifiable" <- general assumption the Void amp, him tapping the Void aspect of his powers.

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Major change to Sentry, his eyes turn black , thats why i said the form against Molecule Man was most likely a Void juiced Sentry, with Void's power but Void not being in complete control.

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Then the fight starts, a minor correction to something you said, the bubble here would be white, because its NOT Void, but rather Void-amped Sentry.

Lets not post the whole fight, but rather a bubble where he talks, although we have the glowing eyes, which i suppose was to show he was getting the power from the Void.

First time Sentry talks in the fight <--- white speech bubble

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Next time he talks <--- no black bubble here either

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Again another time, no bubble at all here

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An extermely long rant but the point was black speech bubble, which seem to be the sign of darkness, was pretty exclusively kept for the Void.

The third was pretty clearly the Void, so we agree on that so i am not quoting it again.

After reading thru the rest i agree, although i see no mention of Molecule Man having brought back Sentry after killing him the first time, but given Molecule Man is just next to him when he is resurrected, i suppose that interpretation is correct, and again i agree with the Molecule Man part.

What we disagree is in regards to what distinguish Void from Sentry, i believe its the black speech bubble which stands out, and the rest becomes hard because we have the whole idea of Void - amped Sentry.

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Sentry ,more powerful IMO. Apollo can win but I think he'd expend too much power and get KO'd.

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@killemall I like your style, man. Very detailed and perfectly placed scans :-) But I still think that you got something wrong, especially something that is actually very crucial to the Sentry, but most of the people seem to ignore it. Even you.

  • Edit: I hope you can ready all of the following. The code on this board is horrific, when it comes to formating the text. Really, really confusing.

There is nothing specific about the Void. Nothing that stands out. The entire point of the Sentry character seems to be that he is a mess. At least that's what was later on the case. You know how the Void appeared in the past. He had black speech bubbles and various different forms. He was straight up a construct coming from Bobs fragile mind. The idea was probably that Sentry was in control and Void didn't stand that much of a chance, but later on it looked like he started taking over and you could see Sentry being possesed by the Void over and over and over again.

But this is now where the character actually starts being very interesting.Yes, it is true that the Void mostly had black speech bubbles. The eyes were actually not the factor. Sometimes it was Sentry with glowing eyes and black speech bubbles and sometimes it was Sentry with glowing eyes and black speech bubbles. You immediately pointed with the finger at him and started calling: Void! But it's not that simple with the character. The character is a mess and his personalities merged sometimes in all of the confusion.

1. Here we have the Sentry with black eyes, but regular speech bubbles and intentions Void would not have.

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2. Here we have Sentry with black eyes (he also had black speech bubbles) attacking Ultron. He was angry, because Ultron killed his wife and why would Void be angry about something like that?

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3. Here we have Void with black speech bubbles being angry, because his wife is gone and an issue before he was thinking about killing her.

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Other versions of that we've seen in the comics was Void with black speech bubbles calling himself Bob, while in the past Void did not accept the possibility that he could be Bob Reynolds. Basically all of the Sentry / Void combinations you can think of you can see in the comics and the most important part: During the entire Dark Avengers run you didn't see Bob even once! Think about that. You always saw Sentry acting all weird. The only time you actually saw Bob was during the fight between the Dark Avengers and the X-Men, where Emma Frost and Xavier invaded Sentrys mind. Or at least the White Room in there. You could see Bob being locked away and when Emma helped him to escape his dark prison, which was obviously created by the Void he was the real Sentry for that particular moment and realized what was happening. Unfortunately shortly after Void took over again.

The character is a mess and that's a good thing. There is indeed no Void and there is not even Sentry. It's all Bob and he has some serious problems with split personalities. I see the Void as Sentry's excuse to do certain things. Obviously he is also a split personality of his, but sometimes the regular Sentry used the Void to help himself out. He used the Void to travel back to Earth, defeat a Super Skrull and help his wife. He used the Void, because he was upset. He used the Void over and over and over again. Very often at will. Why? To justify what he was doing? To break his own need to hold back? Who knows, but he did it. A good example is when he invaded the Atlantean city. At one point you see him having normal eyes. He gets attacked from behind, turns around and has black eyes.

And now to the stuff with the Molecule Man and here is already the first death of the Sentry during that particular encounter:

- Sentry gets destroyed by the Molecule Man.

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- Molecule Man brings him back to life and experiments with them. Afterwards he destroys him again to stay safe

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- Molecule Man gets told to bring everyone back he transformed / killed and he does so. In the process the Sentry comes back as well

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- Sentry attacks Molecule Man, who tears him apart, obviously without the intention to bring him back, but Sentry resurrects himself and defeats the Molecule Man and as you've said it: It's obviously the Sentry. Not neccesarily because of the white speech bubbles, but because of the intentions. He wants everything restored, so there is something good in him at that point

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@thanosii: I suppose thats fair enough because well Bendis wrote it so meh! Although they had to somehow make him lose, the Hellicarrier made him revert back to Bob (which in itself isnt bad because Bob is meant to be the most powerful "if" he wants to be anyways, after all Sentry and Void and 2 part of Bobs own persona) and he had to ask Thor to kill him.

The problem with me is, once you start showing Sentry being the most powerful cosmic cube being and being compared to HOM Scarlet Witch, alluding he might be more powerful, Asgard without Odin should really be pretty insignificant to him. Heck marvel went on to say Kubik is more powerful than Odin, and Molecule Man is far, far, far more powerful than Kubik, but Sentry having beaten MM only manages to take down Asgard, heck he should be able to eat Asgard for breakfast :p for all i know.

but meh! thats one reason its hard to swallow Sentry being beyond MM, because he was never before or after shown to be anywhere close to "that" powerful apart from Void himself calling him a "god" i suppose.

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@killemall: I think the problem is sentry is pretty inconsistent he kills MM then loses to a helicarrier.... I think they ended him badly and shud have had LT or something step in to stop him

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@chibio: agreed

I dont think you and Chibio are in agreement though, at least when it comes to end result. I think Chibio would rather agree with me, that once you take into MM vs Sentry feat as genuine, no amount of strength feat is helping Superman or Apollo in the fight.

You cant beat a being who just over-power a trans-multiversal reality warper, capable of convering entire universe upside down, turning a 2D into 3D universe, or whom has guys capable of holding and nearly crushing entire universe in his hand beg him to put everything back or outright admit he is "far, far, far" more powerful.

Not to mention a comparision with a person who tore apart the omniverse like a lego without even trying and overloaded Genis Vell to a point he was blinking entire universe in and out of existence, you would need someone like Spectre to compete with it.

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@chibio said:

There are quite few mistakes in your text.

I disagree, but i suppose its a difference in interpretation.


Cheers.

This one is difference in opinion.

First scans of the instance i am talking about, so someone reading out argument can choose between the two side better, not to mention we all know what time it is- its scan spammage time :p

So why do i think it was Void who healed him:

1. Sentry was trying to commit sucide and we have Void talking to him, the second void + black speech bubble.

2. We see him heal but we see the healing done thru something dark (literal dark, as in black in color) followed by a black speech bubble as well as yellow glowing eyes where he is healing where he is healing

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The three (dark in color, yellow glowing eyes, black speech bubble) are pretty clearly Void's trademark)

3. When his head is completely healed, you can see his eyes glowing bright yellow, the sign of Void, followed by dark speech bubble from Sentry mouth, another indication of it being the void.

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Dark Speech Bubble, Shade of Darkness, Glowing Eyes, pretty clearly Void's footprint there.

4. When trying to explain why Sentry did not die, the reason given was:

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Void saying : "You're me. Instead of fighiting me (with no result) {i am guessing him trying to kill him was fighting Void and him not doing was the lack of result Void is talking about }....."

5. Lastly the same thing happened to Sentry at the beginning of the same issue anyways. Lindy blows Sentry's head out with a gun

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The recap page would go far enough to substantiate Sentry's death.

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"The Sentry has died twice , once during the battle {pretty clearly reference to Morgana fight} and once at the hand of his own long-suffering wife}"

When he comes back to life and begins to heals his head:

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Looks pretty similar to the instance we are debating about isnt it, and this was pretty clearly the Void:

1. Dark speech bubble - check

2. Dark thing healing him - check

3. Glowing eyes = check

This one is easier because he talks and behaves like Void, earlier one we dont see the behavior to distinguish the two.

Lastly see the scan on "2" and you will see the similar from this page when Void heals the Sentry

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Although its cool seeing Void make a crappy joke when Lindy asks him "who are you"

I agree with this, although the way i see it Sentry = Bob = Void, and they are often within the same body, so its becomes pretty hard to distinguish the two.

Its more like multiple personality disorder, with the personality themselves being 2 seperate entities. I am taking this from Origin of Seige, 2010

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A easy way to see which persona is in control at any point in time are the clues like:

1. Glowing Eyes

2. Shades of darkness

3. Black Speech bubble, the last of which being the most prominent.

This is where i concede, although its very unclear whether Molecule Man actually resurrected him the first time around because there is no mention of it. But Sentry gets resurrected, Molecule Man is sitting right next to him so yeah i am gonna go with you are correct, and i was wrong, Molecule Man brought him back the first time.

Second time was pretty clearly, he brought Sentry back on request that he would be left in peace if he did and Shield would surrender.

The third time, i think its easy to assume he was dead and came back to life than anything else dont you think.

Because this is what we see.

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Followed by Sentry coming back perfectly healed, ok but this is what he says at the end:

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Sentry: "I can't die"

Now this can me, people can shred me apart, my blood flowing around, me being turned to peices and i heal, or rather people can kill me, like Molecule Man just did, like my wife did before that, like Morgan La Fey did before that, but i will always come back to life.

I am going more with the second part , at least to me that seemed more reasonable.

Although, once again, thank you, i stand corrected, i agree with you, for most part (apart from very ambiguous idea of whether Sentry was killed or not) in regards to him vs Molecule Man.

Unrelated, i still think its kind of PIS, the only thing preventing me from outright calling it PIS would be the statement, Moonstone as MsMarvel made after Normal was done talking to Sentry.

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The reason i believe MM vs Sentry was PIS is because MM is uber powerful, but as powerful as he may be he isnt the most powerful person in marvel universe. The person who should at the very least, be a whole level beyond MM is HOM Wanda, and the statement Moonstone is making sort of collaborates with Sentry genuinely being more powerful than Molecule Man, which is what we saw happen few pages ago.

But hey i am a MM fan, and as a fan boy i am a bit butt hurt to see my fav character who would only lose via manipulation and never over-power without himself imposing limitation upon him, being killed by a character whom most people wont even readily accept to be more powerful than Odin, but what else can i do apart from curse the crap out of bendis.

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@killemall said:

@patrat18: @floopay: Sorry for the late reply, i am away from the whole week because of work, i will get back Friday night , then i can post scans showing Sentry cant die unless he wanted to. Seige is not the only instance, Morgan Le Fay killed Sentry and he came back, with absolutely no mention of Void anywhere, Sentry tried to commit suicide by flying into the sun and he could die because Void kept healing his body before Sun could burn it,then there is molecule man instance where Molecule Man killed him twice, Sentry came back again.

There are quite few mistakes in your text. I'm going to correct them, if you don't mind. Morgana did kill Sentry and he came back afterwards. That is correct. Sentry flew into the sun to commit suicide and he started burning, but it was not Void who healed him back. He simply started regenerating, because the killing process was so slow. He basically started avoiding death and Void told him that it's not up to them to die. Void said it would be out of their hand. Bob is the guy with the power and Sentry and Void are kinda different personalities, which were in charge at that point, but he was still pulling the strings, just like he did it at the end of Siege, where he decided not to come back. Also Sentry never resurrected himself twice during the Molecule Man events. Molecule Man brought Sentry back twice. Then he killed him for a third time and Sentry either resurrected himself directly afterwards, or regenerated instantly, because he got torn apart and not really destroyed to a molecular level.

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@patrat18: @floopay: Sorry for the late reply, i am away from the whole week because of work, i will get back Friday night , then i can post scans showing Sentry cant die unless he wanted to. Seige is not the only instance, Morgan Le Fay killed Sentry and he came back, with absolutely no mention of Void anywhere, Sentry tried to commit suicide by flying into the sun and he could die because Void kept healing his body before Sun could burn it,then there is molecule man instance where Molecule Man killed him twice, Sentry came back again.

Apart from that Sentry has gone so far to bring his dead wife back to life, his powers are weird.

He might not be physically as strong as Superman, at least not based on the feats (although he seem to have been created with an intention to be a whole lot stronger than his feats would show).

I can post all these scans on Friday this week at night (lets say Saturday to count for time delay) if you are still interested.

Also once you take Sentry beating Molecule Man genuine, no amount of strength feat is going to help Superman given MM had someone like Kubik having to beg him simultaneously saying Molecule Man is far, far more powerful than him, and Kubik has held an entire universe in his hand and could have crushed it anytime he wanted. An angry Molecule Man fought and well stomped Beyonder and the fight caused trans-multiversal damage, turning entire universe upside down, and changing a 2 dimension into 3 dimension universe just because of a side effect of a very short and one sided fight.

And Sentry was shown to be superior to him, i still think the feat is PIS but unless i go fight with Bendis, i have to accept whats on panel.

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@x_insignia1: no problem, though can i ask why?

i've never understood why everyone hates sentry

No specific reason, just one of those things you know? perhaps because there are so many Supermanesque type characters running around, I'm unsure myself. I don't really hate the character though.

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@patrat18 said:

@floopay: not die by the carrier lift it in feats of strength

I'm uncertain what you are trying to say.

Thanks for reading,

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@x_insignia1: no problem, though can i ask why?

i've never understood why everyone hates sentry

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@x_insignia1: Dude, number ONE characteristic of the void is Black speech bubbles.

Molecule Man fight was Definitely Sentry in character as Sentry

That's actually a good point, I'll concede at that, albeit, my knowledge on Sentry is very limited, never really cared too much for the character.

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@floopay: not die by the carrier lift it in feats of strength

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@floopay: thank you for stating that so i didn't have to :)

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^he stated no Void, so there is no molecular manipulation.

Everything Sentry does is based on molecule manipulation. It's not just a power of the Void. People need to finally start realizing that.

Also this is a very tough battle. Just like in the Superman match up Sentry's opponent would have a significant advantage in the beginning, because Sentry usually emits solar energy, when he uses his energy based attacks. The energy he absorbs the most is in fact solar radiation and that's what he simply emits, since he has the most of it. So he would actually empower Apollo at the beginning. But Apollo is no Superman. There is no sundipped Apollo and overall I don't see Apollo having the same power level as your regular Superman like character and in my own personal opinion Sentry is far more than just that.

Sentry would see that his solar attacks are doing the exact opposite of what they're supposed to do to Apollo and because of that he would stop that and use other ways to fight: brawling it out, or if has his shit together he would in fact use empathy or molecule manipulation to actually hurt Apollo who would wear out much, much, much quicker than the Sentry. You need to know that Apollo desparately needs solar energy to survive. Fighting against someone like Sentry should wear him out in a matter of minutes and he would get more and more tired and ultimately lose.

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@cadencev2: but he didn't lose to Hulk, or Blue Marvel for that matter.

He Fought WWH to a standstill w/Hulk going to his Most powerful level ever seen. they BOTH powered down into human state at the end of fight

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@cooldes said:

@x_insignia1: Dude, number ONE characteristic of the void is Black speech bubbles.

Molecule Man fight was Definitely Sentry in character as Sentry

Dont bother, he ignores all other facts and points to minor ones like Black Eyes (Artist Artwork in no way dictate character changes) and thats his Opinion. He rather downplay Sentry as the guy who lost to Hulk in a bad mind state rather than the power house he was before Siege.

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@x_insignia1: Dude, number ONE characteristic of the void is Black speech bubbles.

Molecule Man fight was Definitely Sentry in character as Sentry

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High feats have the Sentry doing stuff like defeating Terrax with one hand.

Literally.

Then breaking his axe like it was nothing.

As the Void, he broke every bone in Hulk's body. Hulk actually expressed fear about confronting the Void.

He has also torn through Dr Strange's magical shield (which has held Hulk in place in previous issue of Defenders) with his bare hands.

Think I'm gonna go with the Sentry.

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@x_insignia1: Also the whole "look at his eyes" argument is the most laziest argument ever.

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Every showing of Void is RED or YELLOW glowing eyes. Sentry had Black eyes, So freaking what?

You have no proof of anything.

  • Its not stated as Void, but only by Osborn as BOB!!!!
  • He is caring about the life of his friends and not killing them!
  • He has Black Eyes and not YELLOW or RED!
  • He said he REALIZES how his power works instead of just knowing and using it like Void.

You have nothing as proof and all the counter proof to show against it.

Show me one SOLIDbit of proof thats Void and not Sentry. Other than your easily OPINIONATED veiw of the Black Eyes.

laziest argument? guy, given that most of the void incarnations are depicted by a distinct blackness in the eyes, it's pretty easy for one to assume that it was the "Void" or to even confuse it for such. And don't flatter yourself. My notifications don't alert me when i'm tagged nor mentioned for whatever reason. Furthermore, has sentry ever used molecular manipulation apart from this, as in SENTRY not the Void?

You mean when he brought his wife back to life? Or how he changes his outfit in scenes with a flash of light? Or the fact he puts himself back together when Molecule Man blows him up twice. Or the fact he beat back Galactus with his power.... lets face it, your not beating Galactus with our Major Cosmic Power, Magic Power, or Molecule Manipulation. He isnt Magical or Cosmic....

Also you have no answer to the out of character (Acting the good guy and being patient!) or the fact he is explaining his powers as he just learn to use them in any way, where Void simply use them with skill.

Pause. There was no beat-back, from what I recall it was a standstill, and off panel. Moreover no one knows the complete context of that situation ( most likely hungry). The fact that it even came from Spidey most people seem to write it off as hyperbole. His testimony seems to rank pretty low. Hell even Shaman Nate Grey made a comment about them stalemating a hungry Galactus together, however it was clearly evident that it was more of a less a mind whammy.

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@x_insignia1 said:

@cadencev2 said:

@x_insignia1: Also the whole "look at his eyes" argument is the most laziest argument ever.

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Every showing of Void is RED or YELLOW glowing eyes. Sentry had Black eyes, So freaking what?

You have no proof of anything.

  • Its not stated as Void, but only by Osborn as BOB!!!!
  • He is caring about the life of his friends and not killing them!
  • He has Black Eyes and not YELLOW or RED!
  • He said he REALIZES how his power works instead of just knowing and using it like Void.

You have nothing as proof and all the counter proof to show against it.

Show me one SOLIDbit of proof thats Void and not Sentry. Other than your easily OPINIONATED veiw of the Black Eyes.

laziest argument? guy, given that most of the void incarnations are depicted by a distinct blackness in the eyes, it's pretty easy for one to assume that it was the "Void" or to even confuse it for such. And don't flatter yourself. My notifications don't alert me when i'm tagged nor mentioned for whatever reason. Furthermore, has sentry ever used molecular manipulation apart from this, as in SENTRY not the Void?

You mean when he brought his wife back to life? Or how he changes his outfit in scenes with a flash of light? Or the fact he puts himself back together when Molecule Man blows him up twice. Or the fact he beat back Galactus with his power.... lets face it, your not beating Galactus with our Major Cosmic Power, Magic Power, or Molecule Manipulation. He isnt Magical or Cosmic....

Also you have no answer to the out of character (Acting the good guy and being patient!) or the fact he is explaining his powers as he just learn to use them in any way, where Void simply use them with skill.

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@cadencev2 said:

@x_insignia1: Also the whole "look at his eyes" argument is the most laziest argument ever.

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Every showing of Void is RED or YELLOW glowing eyes. Sentry had Black eyes, So freaking what?

You have no proof of anything.

  • Its not stated as Void, but only by Osborn as BOB!!!!
  • He is caring about the life of his friends and not killing them!
  • He has Black Eyes and not YELLOW or RED!
  • He said he REALIZES how his power works instead of just knowing and using it like Void.

You have nothing as proof and all the counter proof to show against it.

Show me one SOLIDbit of proof thats Void and not Sentry. Other than your easily OPINIONATED veiw of the Black Eyes.

laziest argument? guy, given that most of the void incarnations are depicted by a distinct blackness in the eyes, it's pretty easy for one to assume that it was the "Void" or to even confuse it for such. And don't flatter yourself. My notifications don't alert me when i'm tagged nor mentioned for whatever reason. Furthermore, has sentry ever used molecular manipulation apart from this, as in SENTRY not the Void?

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@patrat18 said:

@theincrediblesuperhulk8642: take that helicarrier sitch up with marvel they wrote it so its fact.sentury can be killed the void can't

Sentry was only killed by the Helicarrier because he depowered himself and begged the Avengers to kill him. He LET himself die, it wasn't the Helicarrier that killed him, it was himself.

Pretty sure @killemall can confirm this with scans, but if you read the arc you would know Sentry was begging to die because he couldn't handle the Void any longer. If anything, that should count as a huge feat on Sentry's part, as any previous attempt to die was halted by the Void, however, in this scenario he was finally able to completely overpower the Void enough to allow his own death, a tremendous feat of willpower.

Thanks for reading,

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@theincrediblesuperhulk8642: take that helicarrier sitch up with marvel they wrote it so its fact.sentury can be killed the void can't

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@patrat18: Sentry can't be killed beat Molecule man Stalemated Galactus Stalemated Hulk and the whole Helicarrier is kind of stupid because he does have to fight against gravity by holding it up while dealing with the force of the impact it has on him while trying to stop.

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@theincrediblesuperhulk8642: how are they matched in strength?? when superman is bench pressing the earth for 5 days straight?? sentry again needed help lifting the hellecarrier,got his ass beat by hulk,got his neck snapped by thor come on now.superman would destroy thor if he didin't have magic,he would also beat shazam, they say that superman only uses 25% of his power 25.

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Sentry should be able to defeat Apollo in a good battle... I think Apollo is physically stronger but Sentry has the better versatility overall. It probably wont be a straight up tussle since both of them could apply wide range attacks...

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@killemall: Pre crisis superman did those not sure which comics. and Imperiex and Anti Monitor are 2 Galactus level being's and he took them on. and I wasn't referencing that feat but yes that is another one thanks for mentioning thar feat.

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@killemall: Agreed but you also have to take into account some of Superman's feats he created a Sun.

When did Superman create a sun???

created a galaxy

Or this?

beat 2 Galactus level being's

When did he even fight Galactus level being?? I am surprised.

created a cosmic armour with sheer thought and saved the multiverse 2 times.

Superman had nothing to in creating the armor the armor was created by the monitor as their last time of defense. The armor however was fueled by the greatest story ever told, which happened to be that of Superman.

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@killemall: Agreed but you also have to take into account some of Superman's feats he created a Sun. created a galaxy picked up a dwarf star beat 2 Galactus level being's and held a mini black hole in his hand. created a cosmic armour with sheer thought and saved the multiverse 2 times.

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@theincrediblesuperhulk8642: Actually as long as you take Sentry being able to beat Molecule Man as genuine, neither Superman nor the entire justice league should fare any better against Sentry. I still hate that feat (coz i am a molecule man fan) but just look at molecule man feats. The guy was warping reality in transmultiversal scale, turning upside down entire universes, heck a side effect of Molecule Man vs Beyonder,a fight where Beyonder got stomped, turned an entire 2 dimensional universe into 3 dimensional one.

Kubik, whom marvel says is more powerful than skyfather, outright admit MM is far, far, far more powerful than him, and we are talking about a guy who can hold and crush an entire universe on his hand.

Really if we are to take that feat seriously, Sentry is one of the most powerful Avengers ever (of course second to HOM Wanda, her omniversal feat is just insane).

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@patrat18: Superman is above Hulk's level except physically they are probably evenly matched or Hulk is a little superior but Superman is way more powerful and he's alot faster.Superman and Sentry are equal in everything Superman would never pound Sentry. If they ever would fight I would go with Superman for sure but Sentry would be a very good challenge for him saying he stomps Sentry is like saying he stomps Thor Shazam Martian Manhunter Hyperion and Mr Majestic which is ridiculous.

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@theincrediblesuperhulk8642: help me out here you even said yourself that superman is far above hulk,s level in everything,and hulk pounded sentry,s face in till he became human superman not holding back would crush sentry with his bare hands.superman holding back would still lobotomize him with ease,sentry has a hand full of feats they are all below new 52 superman.

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@patrat18: Supe's doesn't stomp. Sentry is the only Marvel Character who can clearly match Superman alongside the current Hyperion Silver Surfer Hulk(only in a physical match up) and Thor. Apollo has had some pretty terrible jobber feats while Sentry hasn't had any. everyone else seems to agree that Sentry wins and if you think WonderMan is a low bar you're wrong he was described a Sentry level just as Apollo is described as Mr Majestic level. Wonder Man has taken on an entire Avenger's team stomped Red Hulk stalemated past Hyperion and although he lost the his battle's to Hulk and Thor he still held his own for quite some time. He's also beaten the Abomination and Thing.

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@theincrediblesuperhulk8642: did you even read his stats,sentry vs supes supes stomps hands down.i think you are putting apollo and a low bar because of sentrys of and on feats.

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@cooldes said:

@cadencev2: Number 1 characteristic of The Void:

Black Speech Bubbles.

molecule man fight was sentry in character as sentry

Actually good point, forgot that.

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