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@the_last_son_of_czarnia said:

Freezer begins the battle in his first form and transforming (1st form pl: 530,000 2nd form pl: 1,000,000+) both forms can be easily destroyed by the saiyans...If they don't let Freezer achieve his final form,they can kill him

@the_last_son_of_czarnia said:

If the saiyans attack him while he is still transforming (like what happened in the scans) they have a good chance to kill him,they can easily overpower his 1st and 2nd form,and maybe this Vegeta can do the same to Freezer's 3rd form

The saiyens manage to surprise frieza, who begins to transform at the beginning of the fight to final form (doesnt bother with the other forms. he still has to go into second and third form, but he wont fight with them)

@the_legendary_supersaiyan_hulk: That fan manga is awesome,it's too bad Salagir (the writer of Multiverse) gave Freezer final form a pl of 530,000 (it's because a bad translation in the french version of the manga)

So,if they attack him while he's transforming they have a chance to kill Freezer (a very good one,since this Raditz is at least as strong as Freezer 2nd form and Vegeta Ozaru is stronger than Freezer 3rd form),in the other hand,if Freezer manage to transform into his final form,he can easily murder them.Either way it's a stomp

@ximpossibrux said:

That's not the only example,Vegeta (24,000) murderstomp Kiwi (18,000),Dodoria and Zarbon (who were between 20 and 23k).DB manga show us that there must be at least a difference of 20-25% in power level to stomp the opponent.(i'm not correcting you,just giving more examples)

Back to topic,the OP states that the saiyans manage to surprise Freezer.Freezer in his 1st form has a pl of 530,000 and if the saiyans attack him while he's still transforming,they can kill him,but if they give him enough time to finish his transformations (i doubt it,they are bloodlusted),then it's a stomp in Freezer's favor,with 10,000,000 he is almost 3.5 times stronger than Vegeta (the strongest of the team).The only thing that will be left of them will be their tails,lol

After this you quote the wikipedia definition of "Starquake" (part of it) ,but you did not post the entire definition of this "astrophysical phenomenon",and claim that "the shock can also destroy everything in light years",when the scientific definition did not say anything about physical destruction,but in fact,when it talk about "Had the event occurred within a distance of ten light years from Earth, the event could have potentially triggered a mass extinction on Earth" it actually mean it would be by massive radiation instead of physical destruction.

It's not a phenomenon bigger than a Supernova (in "destruction" diameter) as you make it look like

So,your comparison of the "Starquake" and Galactus exploding has nothing to do...at all (except,both occur in the space)

Even in the definition you just posted,it say it's radiation "It released gamma rays equivalent to 10E36 kW in intensity",i'm not a cientific, but why you translate "gamma radiation" into "the shock can also destroy everything in light years" (granted,for the living things in a planet it would mean death anyway,but the diference is:in one case,there's still the planet in the other,just ashes)

Here it's the rest of the wikipedia definition:

A starquake is an astrophysical phenomenon that occurs when the crust of a neutron star undergoes a sudden adjustment, analogous to an earthquake on Earth. A paper published in 2003 in Scientific American by Kouveliotou,Duncan & Thompson,suggests these starquakes to be the source of the giant GAMMA RAY flares that are produced approximately once per decade from soft gamme repeaters. Starquakes are thought to result from two different mechanisms. One is the huge stresses exerted on the surface of the neutron star produced by twists in the ultra-strong interior magnetic fields. A second cause is a result of spindown. As the neutron star loses angular momentum due to frame-dragging and by the bleeding off of energy due to it being a rotating magnetic dipole, the crust develops an enormous amount of stress. Once they exceed a certain amount, the shape adjusts itself to a shape closer to equilibrium, a perfect sphere. The actual change is believed to be on the order of micrometers or less, and occurs in less than a millionth of a second.

Not only i would love to see where did you get your info (what a exaton can or can't do),how 10³⁶ kW = 316 exatons and how it could possibly mean "vaporize Earth and Moon" = "destroy the whole Solar System"

We have no reference (in the manga) about the power of the rest of the Kaios (South,West,East),The only one who actually said something about his power was North Kaio,who said he was weaker than the saiyans that were heading to the Earth (Nappa and Vegeta).South Kaio first appearance (manga) was after the Cell saga,when Goku was training and he change the weight to 40 tons...(South and North were the only ones who actually appear in the manga)

Since we have no reference or he is as strong as North Kai (can't prove that) he loose badly against King Cold

If,by any chance,you're talking about the Kaio Shins (Boo saga),then the things are different.Even the weakest of them (East,the one who appear in the tournament) is capable of one-shot Freezer,and South Kaio Shin is far stronger than him (words of "Kibitoshin").Even East Kaio Shin is able to kill King Cold,as easily as Mirai no Trunks did

@reikai said:

Goku wasn't stronger than Gohan (in the Cell games),i'm not talking about the Ss2,i'm talking about base and Ss1.It's stated by Goku (chapter 403) and confirmed by Cell himself when Gohan unleash all his power (ch 404).

I'm having problems with internet now,but if you can't find the scans i'm referring to,i will post them later (stated by Goku: beginning of ch. 403,confirmed by Cell:beginning ch. 404)

Changing the subject:I don't know who said that the 2nd Broly's movie came out before Vegeta state for the first time that Gohan lost power,but it's unlikely true.

Vegeta says that to Gohan when he went to Capsule Corp to see Bulma (ch. 423),and not only that,the first appearance of Goten is in the next episode (ch 424).If we believe that the movie came out first,then the Toei was who invented Goten,his friendship with Trunks and the concept of Videl with the Z-fighters.I'm not even talking about the fact that the dates of release of both,movie and volume 36 denies that,for about 4 months...(and to publish a recopilatory volume you need to wait till all the chapters are already published)

@reikai said:

Lets see...you claim that between Gohan and Broly there's a huge power gap,i said it's not huge.Why? he was unable to match Gohan's speed,that's why i bring those examples (Cell vs 16,Freezer vs Piccolo,etc),for you to see how things works in the DBU when there's a real huge difference in power between two characters,they can match and surpass the enemy's speed with ease.

Do you understand now?I think you already did,that's why you said "was entirely for show"...

Then you need to watch that scene again,it's obvious that Broly exert himself when he realize Gohan was releasing from his grip...

The fact that you repeat again and again that strength had nothing to do with Gohan escaping doesn't make it right,because it goes against what the movie show us

I did not fail to understand it,i fail to see the relevance of what you're saying,it's obvious that Gohan put strenght (simple as that,watch that scene again) to free himself and Broly try and FAIL to counter it.

And you said it yourself,Gohan was exhausted (and in base form,duh!) and Broly not,that's why he was unable to manage to do the same later...

Now i'm sure you're talking to the wrong person...i never,ever,talk about transformations in my posts in this thread...all what i said is "X is stronger than Y" or "X is weaker than Y",nothing more...It really doesn't matter to me if Gohan was Ss1,Ss2 or "Ultimate" (i know it's a fan made designation),what it matters is what they show in the movie or what they don't ...

And i didn't see a stomp like Gohan vs "Super" Boo,Vegeta vs 2nd form Cell,Vegetto vs Boo-Gohan,Freezer Final form vs Vegeta,Trunks Ss vs Mecha Freezer,etc,etc.Yes,Broly ended almost killing Gohan (who btw had enough power to turn again in Ss2 and launch a Kame Hame Ha,wich,with the help of Goten,end in the death of Broly...there you have your HUGE gap in power...) but it's not a gap as huge as you seem to believe...

You seem to forget the part where Gohan try to break Broly's hold and Broly put more strenght in his grip...and couldn't hold him...then Gohan kick Broly's face...

I see,because you don't like it and don't know how to answer to this you discredit this feat...ok...