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Strange is so hard to determine a power level for, he keeps shifting up and down. Whenever he's on a team (like the original New Avengers, or when he was working with the Illuminati) he's never acting at full capacity, and you see him fighting ninjas or aliens or whatever without being more effective than any other low-level sorcerer. But then for instance he left the Illuminati and took over the Black Priests, and seemed to get a power boost from taking on their form of magic. I haven't been reading the current volume, the first issue or two were kind of annoying.

Comparisons of Strange and Doom from the old graphic novel are moot at this point; that was eons ago and they've both had major changes since then.

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@owie: Well all of Moon Knight's speed feats apart from his moon-enhanced ones are applicable, the only thing that changes from version to version is his gear and and his mentality. I have to say I really didn't enjoy the latest MK run, so the lack of gear was also a big let-down. But, he's still the same character that did this:

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And sure, just pm me if you want to go ahead with it. I just got on holidays so I'll have time to do it.

That's funny, I actually just read that issue last week. In it, MK gets KOed by the two lady bodyguards who simultaneously kick him in the face--and sometime after which Marlene takes them out. A low point for his durability.

But apart from that, that's not much of a speed feat. It's not clear whether he starts to dodge before the gun shoots--because he hears the door click--or what. But yes, of course all his other feats are still applicable. I was just saying that the bullet-slicing one was by far the fastest he's been.

It wasn't the door clicking, panel two shows them going into the room and leaving the double doors open, and it's shown again in panel 4 that it's the same two doors. It's the gun clicking, so it's a bullet timing feat.

OK, you're right, it's the gun clicking...but that still means he was warned before the shot, so it's at least possible, and I'd say highly probable, that he started dodging before the shot. We see the shot as a "beam," and he's already down when the shot is going over him. There's nothing there that makes it look like he sees the shot coming, and then dodges, followed by the shot. For him to be in that position, with the shot above him, he pretty much has to be dodging before the shot comes.

I'm pretty sure it's a shotgun given the way he's holding it, and that's just the old art. Commonly used technique to show gunshots like that because it was the easiest way to show a shot was going off. Then again shotguns don't click as far as I'm aware, so who knows. Ah well, MK has plenty of other bullet dodging feats :P

Oh, I agree I think it's a shotgun or something similar. I'm just saying the old "beam" style shows when and where the shot is going. The click could be from closing the shotgun after inserting the cartridges. But sure, he does have other good speed feats.

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@owie: Well all of Moon Knight's speed feats apart from his moon-enhanced ones are applicable, the only thing that changes from version to version is his gear and and his mentality. I have to say I really didn't enjoy the latest MK run, so the lack of gear was also a big let-down. But, he's still the same character that did this:

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And sure, just pm me if you want to go ahead with it. I just got on holidays so I'll have time to do it.

That's funny, I actually just read that issue last week. In it, MK gets KOed by the two lady bodyguards who simultaneously kick him in the face--and sometime after which Marlene takes them out. A low point for his durability.

But apart from that, that's not much of a speed feat. It's not clear whether he starts to dodge before the gun shoots--because he hears the door click--or what. But yes, of course all his other feats are still applicable. I was just saying that the bullet-slicing one was by far the fastest he's been.

It wasn't the door clicking, panel two shows them going into the room and leaving the double doors open, and it's shown again in panel 4 that it's the same two doors. It's the gun clicking, so it's a bullet timing feat.

OK, you're right, it's the gun clicking...but that still means he was warned before the shot, so it's at least possible, and I'd say highly probable, that he started dodging before the shot. We see the shot as a "beam," and he's already down when the shot is going over him. There's nothing there that makes it look like he sees the shot coming, and then dodges, followed by the shot. For him to be in that position, with the shot above him, he pretty much has to be dodging before the shot comes.

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What would Weather Wizard's best offensive and defensive moves be? Lightning to attack, high winds?

Victor would probably go for ripping out some metal from buildings or cars, and wrapping it around WW. Or potentially shooting electrical energy at him, I don't know if WW is immune? Victor would have better physicals.

Can create tornadoes inside people, pushed down Superman with lightning, fights the Flash regularly, his wind can take down building walls, he can create city wide natural disasters in an instant, he can teleport and a lot more.

OK. Sounds pretty formidable then.

I'm surprised you didn't know this by now....the rouges were popular in the forums for a while

Just not one of my main areas of interest.

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@owie said:

What would Weather Wizard's best offensive and defensive moves be? Lightning to attack, high winds?

Victor would probably go for ripping out some metal from buildings or cars, and wrapping it around WW. Or potentially shooting electrical energy at him, I don't know if WW is immune? Victor would have better physicals.

Can create tornadoes inside people, pushed down Superman with lightning, fights the Flash regularly, his wind can take down building walls, he can create city wide natural disasters in an instant, he can teleport and a lot more.

OK. Sounds pretty formidable then.

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@owie: Well all of Moon Knight's speed feats apart from his moon-enhanced ones are applicable, the only thing that changes from version to version is his gear and and his mentality. I have to say I really didn't enjoy the latest MK run, so the lack of gear was also a big let-down. But, he's still the same character that did this:

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And sure, just pm me if you want to go ahead with it. I just got on holidays so I'll have time to do it.

That's funny, I actually just read that issue last week. In it, MK gets KOed by the two lady bodyguards who simultaneously kick him in the face--and sometime after which Marlene takes them out. A low point for his durability.

But apart from that, that's not much of a speed feat. It's not clear whether he starts to dodge before the gun shoots--because he hears the door click--or what. But yes, of course all his other feats are still applicable. I was just saying that the bullet-slicing one was by far the fastest he's been.

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@jashro44: I'll put it in the where is this from thread to find the comic, and I'll get back to you on it. I remember getting it from a respect thread a while back, but it's always good to check.

And either way, I do think Moon Knight would beat Natasha pretty badly. He has just about every advantage over her.

It's not Moon Knight talking, it's Snapdragon in the Bendis Moon Knight series. I've got the comic.

She's talking about when she fought Black Widow way back in Marvel Fanfare. Which, incidentally, she won because she took Black Widow unawares in pitch dark, while Snapdragon had IR goggles. So Widow couldn't see her at all to fight back. When Widow had a rematch later in the series, she beat Snapdragon.

You're underestimating her, it would be a very close fight between them. If you think he has "every advantage," enumerate them. Because I would argue that she's more skilled in H2H (although he's more accurate at throwing), and is clearly more agile, and her equipment is better than his; her Widow's Bite would take him out, and she's also got tear gas. Whereas he has teeny crescent darts and a truncheon. I'm a Moon Knight fan, and am well aware of his abilities, but his only clear advantage is durability--and even in that, she has about even pain tolerance. Once she woke up under major abdominal surgery with no anaesthetic, and had to stay still and not let them know she was awake or the surgery would be ruined, and she did. That's insane pain tolerance and control. Plus the armor he's got here only protects a few parts of his body.

Ah, thank you for clearing that up.

And I do honestly think Moon Knight has every advantage, except maybe tactics. The only thing is his gear is absolute crap in his latest run, but I don't think he'll need any special gear honestly to take her out. I'll need to see some more feats for Black Widow, but from what I have seen, she's outclassed in everything, including speed and arguably agility.

Actually now that I think about it, would you be interested in a CaV (Composite MK vs Composite Widow)? I'm pretty terrible at debating so you've got a good chance of winning :P

Well, I'm only arguing that's it's more or less a tie between them. In terms of speed, Moon Knight does have his bullet-slicing feat, but not too much else around that level so I have unfortunately come around to discounting it as being out of his normal range.

It's an interesting proposal though. Tell you what, I haven't been doing CAVs because I generally don't have time for the intensive prep they take. But I have been making a bunch of Widow scans recently so it makes sense that I might as well use them. Let me think about it a bit and get back to you.

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What would Weather Wizard's best offensive and defensive moves be? Lightning to attack, high winds?

Victor would probably go for ripping out some metal from buildings or cars, and wrapping it around WW. Or potentially shooting electrical energy at him, I don't know if WW is immune? Victor would have better physicals.

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How many can Vader beat? Darth Vader faces the Jedi team sent against Chancellor Palpatine

Round 1:Vader takes them on one at a time, in the same order that Palpatine did (Agen Kolar, Saesee Tiin, Kit Fisto, Mace Windu)

Round 2: Vader fights them all at once

As with a gauntlet, it's certainly possible that he doesn't clear. The goal here is to see how well he matches up to Palpatine's famous feat. How many does Vader beat, and how easily, compared to Palpatine's speed in beating them?

Vader is at his best (whatever you think that may be), with one light saber. The others are all as they appear in Revenge of the Sith. Sabers and Force powers are allowed.

Battle takes place in Palpatine's throne room, with the same starting location and situation as in the movie. In character.

Canon and Legend feats may be used.

Win by death, KO, or incapacitation.

Darth Vader
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L-R: Saesee Tiin, Agen Kolar, Mace Windu, Kit Fisto
L-R: Saesee Tiin, Agen Kolar, Mace Windu, Kit Fisto