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#1 Posted by Outside_85 (7161 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozen: 33 years vs. a week and the difference is minor.

#2 Posted by Outside_85 (7161 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozen: And still after 33 years he wasn't lightyears ahead of them in any physical sense. If he had been, Faora could have been Bruce Lee and she wouldn't have been able to touch him or even move him.

#3 Edited by Outside_85 (7161 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozen: 33 years of sun absorbing vs a week.

#4 Posted by Outside_85 (7161 posts) - - Show Bio

@rudebomberboy01:

  1. Stick to the movies, its whats stated in the title of this thread.
  2. And all the other bits that broke off.
  3. The point is that being good against them doesn't mean he's even close to the Kryptonians. The only time he he super sonic is when he is traveling. The Kryptonians broke the sound barrier every time they threw a punch.
  4. The only reason the proto-type broke so easily, as it did against the truck was that Tony didn't give it the structural integrity of the others in order to make getting in and out of it easier.
  5. And it broke apart when hit by a truck, for reasons explained above, it's like Bale changing his bat-suit between Begins and DKR, less protection, more movement.
  6. I don't know where you dreamt of this stuff, but it isn't from the movie.
  7. No, you are quite right, she's smaller, faster, stronger and more durable. So whats your argument?
  8. It isn't, and you haven't proved anything. Odin himself claims Mjolnir's power is unrivaled in it's capacity for destruction, that's not just because it summons a little lightning once in a while, that's just a party trick.
  9. I know for a fact that they don't. Hulk and Abomination shorted out the power to the Apollo Theater on Broadway when they collided after getting up to full speed, Zod and Superman leveled a city block. Thor blasted the windows out of the Chrysler Building when he summoned his biggest bolt of lightning in any of the movies, Superman sucked them out just by passing by.
#5 Edited by Outside_85 (7161 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozen said:

@outside_85: Yes, he struggled to hold it up. He clearly became much stronger. He spent a few minutes scuffling --- he then lets Zod take his armour off and a minute or so later Zod dies. He's just flat out beaten.

In regards to striking:

If it had been 'clearly' I wouldn't be arguing with you. Fact is that Superman didn't just find the Dragon Balls before confronting the army, he's had that strength for years. Speaking of years, how many do you think passed between the rig and him showing up in Canada?

And lets not ignore the elephant: Clark has been on Earth for 20 to 30 years, Zod and his friends were there for a week, at most. Only he received any meaningful exposure to the Sun, and still; Faora and Non could jump over buildings, hurl locomotives across town, rise unscratched from blows that would have dented tank armor. So the evidence is clear the Sun's effect on a Kryptonians in MoS arent as great as you think they are.

#6 Posted by Outside_85 (7161 posts) - - Show Bio

It's a to me rather pointless cosmetic change that only leaves me with one question:

Considering everyone, save one guy, on the Justice League is white, if DC really wanted a black Flash, why not just make Barry black?

@youknowwhattodo: I think 'crying sandwich guy' is Barry's boss... that same guy who came out of the shrinks office and claimed FE was a cakewalk to him.

#7 Posted by Outside_85 (7161 posts) - - Show Bio

@outside_85:

1) You're doing it again. You're taking things out of context. Yes the drones Mark upgraded. They're supposedly as durable as tanks.

2) Because Tony dismembered it himself, not Iron Monger. Tony's suit was still in one piece.

3) He has good feats and that's all that matters. Should I low-ball Faora too because she also faced some low level threats?

4) Nice way of ignoring everything I said there, you must have missed the part where Jarvis explicitly states the MK42 still being a prototype and 'not ready for combat'.

5) His older armours have taken hits from Thor, tank shells and missiles, but can't hold up to incoming traffic? C'mon.

6) One hit from Clark pretty much ended the fight, it broke her helmet and she was in pain from then on. She was unable to do anything after Clark hit her ONCE.

7) My point was that the missile wasn't a special missile.

8) Provide a single striking feat from any of the Kryptonians that doesn't involve flying into each other at high speeds, comparable to this:

Or this:

Or this:

Give me a striking feat comparable to any of those.

I'll wait.

(Hint: it doesn't exist.)

  1. Says you. They fell apart when Tony hit them with a repulsor beam, they were never said to be more durable than tanks, and they never showed it.
  2. Tony's suit was peeled off him.
  3. He has feats against humans in mechanical suits, that's all there is to it.
  4. That one suit was a prototype, the others were in storage.
  5. Well someone showed us a vid him getting hit by a truck and the suit scattered into bits.
  6. Clark hit her a few times and it didn't even slow her, watch again, it was the missile.
  7. So? He only had 1 of them, and in the land of these comicbook movies, the Abomination grabs missiles out of the sky.
  8. Is any of that supposed to be impressive or in any way relevant when all of it is because of the added power Mjolnir grants him? Have you actually watched any of these movies? Because you are sure reaching and taking a ton of stuff out of context.

Neither of those two are even close to the power the Kryptonians employ, Thor is straining and Hulk isn't a character that understands the word of 'holding back'.

@frozen said:

@outside_85:

You do realize that it wasn't Clark but the beam on the rig he was standing on that gave away?

The only difference between Clark and the other Kryptonians was that he could fly and had heat vision, the others arrived shielded and were easily able to match him in strength and speed.

And he struggled to hold it up; contrast that with the World Engine showing.

No, he was much stronger and faster. He starts to beat Foara and Non at the same time, takes him a few minutes to kill Zod.

He was still holding it up as he went down with it.

Also he didn't spend 2 minutes with either of them in a headlock. If he had continuously pummeled Zod until he died, you would have had a point, but that's not what happened, so you don't.

#8 Posted by Outside_85 (7161 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozen said:

@outside_85: He would be very capable of killing Foara rather easily by the end of the film. From the Oil Rig scene to the World Engine scene, he improved.

No he didn't, he just never realized how strong he was before Jor-El gave him a pep-talk about trying. Also if you are talking about the flash-back, they stretched across years of him growing up. As for pinning, either could he, and despite having been basking in the sun for 20-30 years, he still couldn't handle Faora without going for the only weakspot they had.

Yes he did. He was 33 years old and was shaky in his first few fights. When they tried to pin him, they couldn't do it --- he was getting better as the fighting progressed, two kryptonians could not pin him down and his heat-vision nearly burned her. Later in the film, he kills Zod within minutes of taking off his armour and they're fighting at superspeeds (much faster than previously).

Superman > the other kryptonians.

You do realize that it wasn't Clark but the beam on the rig he was standing on that gave away?

The only difference between Clark and the other Kryptonians was that he could fly and had heat vision, the others arrived shielded and were easily able to match him in strength and speed.

1) His lasers not getting through the Leviathan armour doesn't mean it's weak, It means the Leviathan armour were extremely durable? The lasers were cutting clean through Hammer drones which are supposedly as durable as tanks.

2) You're taking things out of context and making it seem like Iron Monger literally tore Tony's suit apart. That was not the case.

  1. Tony's suit was low on power *20%*. That didn't stop him from tanking a missile.
  2. Tony removed the gauntlet by himself.
  3. He was running on 'emergency back-up power'.

So tell me again, when did Iron monger rip Tony's suit into pieces?

3) (This is what I mean by people underrating and low-balling movie Iron Man on the vine.)

It was a pocket armour withstanding that kind of punishment. It's still impressive.

4) They were still prototypes. They were never tested, just like the MK42.

5) 'Owning' is not the word I'll use. She was beating on an inexperienced Clark. Clark ended the fight with ONE hit.

6) Lolwut? Iron Man pulls all sorts of crap out of nowhere. It's not tied to just one location.

7) No.

Thor/Hulk both have better strength/striking feats compared to every single Kryptonian in the movie.

  1. You mean the Hammer drones that nerver worked and one of those that Whiplash took apart with his bare hands? Hammer isn't a by word for quality.
  2. At the end of the movie, it certainly wasn't intact as you claimed it was.
  3. People do so because the threats he's faced aren't very impressive when you get down to it.
  4. So when I bought my car from the dealer, I was actually getting into an prototype? Hmm, perhaps I should have worn a helmet then :)
  5. Except he didnt, a direct hit from one of the A-10's missiles was what did Faora in, and that was just because of the sensory overload.
  6. So you think he's padded out with high explosives under the armor? Right...
  7. Prove it. But it better be good, other people have tried and failed.
#9 Posted by Outside_85 (7161 posts) - - Show Bio

Wally is kinda black no ? Makes me think of the upcoming CW's TV Show, you know cuz' Iris is also black. I am the only one to think this ? Even if there is no link AT ALL, it is something.. maybe.. I think... no ?

It just made me wonder what the point of this change was, and considering the considerable lack of variation on Justice League... why couldn't it have been Barry?

#10 Posted by Outside_85 (7161 posts) - - Show Bio

@rudebomberboy01: Not really since, he only had one missle that could destroy tanks, and the laser that replaced it couldn't get through the carrier-beasts armor even if he put everything into it.

@frozen said:

@outside_85: They are not as strong as Superman. Superman got more powerful as the movie progressed. With Non's help she still couldn't pin down Superman, by the latter stages of the film he took on the World Engine and killed Zod within a minute or two after he took off his armour.

No he didn't, he just never realized how strong he was before Jor-El gave him a pep-talk about trying. Also if you are talking about the flash-back, they stretched across years of him growing up. As for pinning, either could he, and despite having been basking in the sun for 20-30 years, he still couldn't handle Faora without going for the only weakspot they had.

When did Iron Monger rip Tony's suit to pieces? Last time I checked, he was pretty much intact throughout their entire fight even though he was in a weakened state, he still tanked missiles like they were nothing.

Did you watch that last part of the fight? That part where the only thing left of the suit was his gauntlet and a boot? Where Tony nearly fell into the arc-reactor?

Whiplash was chopping cars in half with his whips, yet Iron Man's pocket armour was able to withstand it.

Not entirely, I seem to remember his suit taking quite a beating in that first encounter.

The Extremis thugs were beating on prototype armours. And even they're still a bit durable to some degree.

They weren't proto-types since they were all based on technology Tony had already mastered, the suits that made up House Party were custom designed for specific situations.

Faora was no match for Clark strength-wise. Clark literally used Faora to bat Nam-Ek away at some point. He was treating her like nothing. It was Nam-Ek who was doing all the work.

Then why did she own him so badly when they were in the diner that she had time to lecture him on how evolution works?

Clark pretty much ended the fight with Faora in a single punch. I see no reason as to why Tony couldn't replicate that with a barrage of missiles, each capable of one-shotting tanks.

Because he only carried one of those in his arm guard, and it was replaced with a laser that only really worked on earth metal that stood still.

Also Faora is not in Thor's league strength-wise.

Maybe not in comics, but the movie Thor never gave any indication he could be a match to the Kryptonians in strength, and he got his ass handed to him by Hulk, who hasn't displayed that kind of power in the movies either.