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Well his powers have been broken by the phoenix so we've yet to see how exactly they've changed (phoenix infused optic blasts?). Character like Scott and Colossus (both members of the P5) have been very limited (power wise) since they were introduced while others like Rogue, Iceman and Angel keep developing. It would be a huge missed opportunity if they're powers are simply broken.

I loved the "you bore me" speech though.

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@John Valentine said:

@EnSabahNurX said:

@ApatheticAvenger said:

So Mags shaved his head huh?

you can tell by the close up panel he originally was drawn with hair because the way they color his eye brow region is such a cover up lol But maybe it's a side effect of the power change.

Yeah, maybe. He's missing eyebrows too but he still has stubble.

Thats not magneto. you can see magneto fighting the sentinels while that bald guy is behind watching. He even has a staff for petes sake of course its not mags

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@McKlayn said:

@Black_Robin said:

scott picked up metal scraps and Eric pretty much asked if he wanted him to break him out. Loved it!

I really don't think that is metal scraps, he got it out of a pack in his shoe. I looks more like Salt to me, and a weird satanic like design he draws on the ground to summon or call on Magik, i think he's talking to her not Magneto. Not saying i am certain i am right, i seen where it looked like he was picking up metal scraps or something anyway, still the design he makes with it and the fact it's in a sealed packet that he rips open, i think it's salt and magik (and any good supernatural fan knows salt has to do with limbo and stuff <.< lol)

In the recap page of the next issue it says that Scott used metal filings to communicate with Magneto. I thought it was Magik also. Why did Scott draw such a weird symbol?

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@Osian2: You forgot Scarlet Witch brought the people she killed back from the dead and she has been willing to accept any punishment anyone gives her. Wolverine has been willing to accept any punishment for the people he has killed. More important I'm an X-men fan every since I first saw them on T.V. I didn't even know about these Avengers until about 3-4 years ago, Being a fan of the X-Men and I know about the history of the Phoenix( even that fact the Jean Grey didn't receive the Phoenix force until after Madelyne Pryor died and that it was the Phoenix that killed itself on the blue area of the Moon not Jean). Surly common sense should have hit Cyclops in the first place to work with Captain America in the first place. Cyclops was right but so was Cap. Lets not also forget Hope couldn't handle the phoenix in the beginning when they were on the blue are of the moon she wasn't ready until she trained in Kun' Lun. Cable's training that finding the five lights didn't help her at all. She had to have the combined abilities of the Scarlet Witch and the Iron Fist the only powers that could counter or handle the Phoenix Force.

All three are willing to accept their punishment but it's only Cyclops who is receiving any (Imprisonment and abuse). Wolverine and Scarlet Witch are now a part of the Uncanny Avengers, the premier superhero team even though their crimes are far worse than Scotts especially Wolverine. Scarlet Witch is getting a free pass because she wasn't in her right mind but Scott getting possessed by the phoenix, a cosmic force that even Jean Grey, an omega level telepath couldn't fully control somehow doesn't count as a good excuse in the Avengers eyes.

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If not for Scarlet witch Hope would have not known that she was chosen because she was the only one that would have been able to give up the Phoenix force and with the Scarlet witches help bring back the mutants. So no Scott wasn't right he needlessly started the fight between the X-men and the Avengers and cost countless deaths including professor X. Scott didn't know what he was doing.

Cyclops was right because the Phoenix force was used to restore the mutant race. Whether or not Scarlet Witch had a hand in convincing Hope is besides the point. She could have done so without Captain America and the Avengers storming into Utopia and attempting to destroy the Phoenix force.

Cyclops was right. Avengers were wrong.

But the Avengers movie made an obscene amount of money at the box office. So Scott is labelled a villain and goes to jail.

No Scott wasn't right because:

1 the phoenix did not restore the mutant race hope and scarlet witch did. They used the phoenix to do it.

2 If he would have worked with the avengers and let them know what was going on, maybe they would have found a solution together and their was no way in hell he would have let the scarlet witch help.

3 He got innocent people killed in the end, and Murdered professor X.

4. The scarlet witch USED her powers along with hope to return the mutants with Hopes. If i am wrong feel free to post the comic to prove it.

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Scott wanted Hope to use the Phoenix like she did in the end.

The Avengers didn't want Hope to have the phoenix and by the end that was their plan so he's only as guilty as the Avengers. If Cap was right to stop Hope because the Phoenix is unpredictable then letting Wanda with her CHAOS powers anywhere near is much more risky.

That's right he was possessed by one of the most powerful cosmic entities in the MU and he killed people as a result. Wolverine gets possessed by a demon or goes into a beserker rage and it's all fine. Wanda gets manipulated by Dr Doom and it's hey no biggie. Scott is imprisoned while those murderers are put on the Uncanny Avengers? Something is seriously wrong with Captain Americas sense of justice.

Did she? I see them both saying the same sentence but no power at all coming from Wanda. It's all Hope.

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This mini has made me start to really hate Captain America

After watching the Avengers I was tempted to pick up some of their titles but AVX has changed my mind completely :( I'll wait for Marvel now and see how Hickmans Avengers fare.

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There's only one thing that he should be blamed for and that's the death of Xavier. Even then he gave Xavier multiple warnings about fighting back if he didn't stop and you could argue it was in self defence seeing as Scott was attacked in his home and the first thing Charles tried to do was shut down his mind.

The actions of the others shouldn't be blamed on Scott or it will be a double standard. For example Namor drowning Wakanda, Captain America knows Namor better than anyone so shouldn't he have expected something like this? Namor is an Invader and has shown more loyalty and respect for Steve so should he also be held responsible?

Another example is Wanda. Her de-powering the mutant race led to several deaths but has she payed for her crimes? She hasn't and most likely won't. Even though most of the Avengers rejected her in issue 0 of AVX they'll be welcoming her back in Marvel Now and will be a part of the Uncanny Avengers.

Scott didn't want the phoenix, it was forced on him by Iron Man. You could argue that he later denied it to Hope but for all we know he wasn't able to resist the power. Hope herself felt like the force was calling to her.

Scott will probably take the blame without objecting though just like when X-force was discovered and he told Storm that he forced Wolverine and the others into it.

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@Crash_Recovery said:

Nothing that has happened with Cyclops in recent history matters at all.

With Bendis bringing the original X-team into the present day (including young Cyclops) the future (our present) is now a fluid concept.

Young Cyclops has the benefit of seeing what actions his future self has taken, and thus, may not make those same choices.

The same is true for Angel (who became a horseman of Apocalypse), Jean Grey (who died..a lot), Beast (who didn't used to be furry and ape/cat like), and Iceman (who will realize that accounting is awful).

The funny thing is that Cyclops, Warren, Bobby and Jean will be able to make different choices but Hank is still gonna end up blue.

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@JoseDRiveraTCR7 said:

I love how Cyclops gets called a dictator for doing the Avengers and America's job better than they can.

Most of the Anti-Cyclops fans think that Dictator = Leader they don't like. So I wouldn't let it bother you. I mean has he ever forced anyone to do anything? Sure he gives orders but it's not as if he's ever said "if you disagree I will kill you".

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@John Valentine said:

Phoenix Cyclops is really no worse than any other possessed X-Man. He's certainly a lot better than Jean and Archangel.

This^^

Angel worked with Apocalypse to conquer the world and thanks to Tabula Rasa thousands died.

Jean was worse she has the blood of billions on her hands.

How many has Wolverine killed while being possessed?

Scott provided free food, water and energy and killed one man.

Yet somehow Cyclops is evil and must pay for his villainous ways.

I really wish Cap finished his "you're under arrest" speech in AVX just to know what he was gonna charge him with.