onyxwave

I don't know what this is, lol. Weird yet funny, so I'll give this a 6.

@leokearon said:

Not sure about Farmer inking, it makes Bagley's work look too much like Alan Davis

I was thinking the EXACT same thing! Farmer's inking over Bagley pencils results in a look that is very similar to Alan Davis' finalized work. It seems like it actually takes away from the unique look that Bagley's pencils have always had.

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! FF looks freaking stupid as hell!!!! That comment is of course an understatement. I thought the original FF (referring to the Future Foundation) was a cool team, with cool costumes and an overall cool concept. If this is suppose to also be Future Foundation then it super sucks! I really hope that book turns out to be the new revamped Freedom Force instead. Ha ha, that way I lose no sleep over it, otherwise it's another great series with future potential just completely ruined. I never was a fan of Allred on super-hero books (just look at that cover, horrible) and from what I've read about Fraction's work, that doesn't bode well for the book either. Plus a female wearing a suit of armor that looks like the Thing? Are they serious with that? That's got ridiculous written all over it alone!

Hey, at least they didn't screw up the classic Fantastic Four on the artwork. You can never go wrong with Mark Bagley. He grew into one of my fav artist of all time.

Remember everyone, even though Ben was a horrible choice for Daredevil, he is a really great writer (using Good Will Hunting, The Townand Gone Baby Gone as examples), he's a pretty good director (using both The Townand Gone Baby Gone as examples) and is a much better actor when the screenplay and dialog are well done (great in Good Will Hunting and Boiler Room , good in Shakespeare in Love , Bounce , State of Play , The Company Men , and The Town ). So the man mos def has talent and he is a huge comic book fan. Thus, I can see this going well as long as he sticks to a character that doesn't require him to be athletic in the role (which is why he visually sucked as Daredevil...they should have given that role to that nobody martial artist actor Daniel Bernhardt from the Matrix and the sequel to Bloodsport) and plays a hard ass wise guy with heart.

The great Joe Kubert was before my time yet I greatly follow and love the work of his sons and they wouldn't be where they are today without dear ol' dad. I've checked out a bit of his work over the years and I can mos def see where his talent has influenced not only the work of his sons but many others in the industry. Another comic and artist legend will be missed and my heart goes out to his family and friends. RIP Joe Kubert...your legacy lives on and is in great hands.

Everyone is so quit ti pre judge this that I wonder if anyone has stopped to think that this could be about some crime lord who hires a super powered bad ass to frame the Punisher by making major hits on top Avengers. If Marvel is smart, that is what I'd do. This could make for an interesting and believable story arc that puts Punisher in the lime light big enough to prep him for another major movie release within the next couple of years.

@DarthShap said:

@onyxwave said:

Guy characters are used as plot devices all the time as well. The most famous DC character used in this way would be Jimmy Olsen. I think this article was written just to be written. People, both male and female, are used as plot devices all the time for the main character(s) in any story. The whole purpose of other earths in the DC universe is to be able to freely play around with popular characters in different ways, including killing them off from time to time. If it just happens to be a lot of women getting killed off on this earth, so what...no big deal. Those characters are still alive in other versions on other earths. Plus, in the world of comics, hardly any characters stay dead forever. Therefore, I think that anyone over analyzing the observation made in this article probably just needs to relax and read a different book if you don't like how a particular book has changed due to how characters are being handled.

1)Name one comic book where Jimmy Olsen's death was a plot point.

2)Earth-2 is not any other Earth, it is the original one, the one from 1938. There is nothing wrong with alternate realities and Elseworlds but Earth-2 was way more than that. From 1938 to 1956, it was the only existing Earth and it had many revivals ever since.

3)I disagree with Sara on Earth-2's past but concerning the future Robinson series, I do not see how the fact that only female characters are getting killed is irrelevant.

4)Yes, people usually come back to life in comics but that almost never happens for non-superheroes (such as Lois Lane) and even less in alternate realities.

1) I didn't say Jimmy Olsen's death was a plot point. I said that the character, in general, is used as a plot device. There are other male characters whom their death was used as plot devices. Jason Todd for Batman, Uncle Ben for Spider-man and Bucky for Captain America come quick to mind.

2) I mean come on, if we can't except shake up of characters from 55 to 75 years ago, then we really haven't learned that life, and thus pop culture art, is about change. Also, the characters back then were so one dimensional anyway where there was very little continuity from book to book and relevant crossing over between titles.

3) Ok, so DC is only killing the female characters in Earth 2. If this really is a valid statement, then how do you explain that DC is dropping two Earth 2 heroines, the Huntress & Powergirl, staring in their own title soon? That causes me to think that you might just be looking a little too much into this. Hey though, you might find out that killing off all the female characters in Earth 2 is apart of some villains master plan to prevent Earth 2 from birthing any future super offspring, and then the Huntress & Powergirl.will find a way back home to Earth 2 just in time to come to the rescue of all non-irrelevant Earth 2 women. :)

4) If any non-super hero has a chance of being brought back to life, it's most definitively Lois Lane. She is arguably the most well known plot device character ever. I'm sure it's just a matter of time before a writer misses her enough to bring her back in some mind shattering plot twist...especially in a alternate reality because the alternate realities are the ones where you get to do the craziest things with the story lines and characters.

Guy characters are used as plot devices all the time as well. The most famous DC character used in this way would be Jimmy Olsen. I think this article was written just to be written. People, both male and female, are used as plot devices all the time for the main character(s) in any story. The whole purpose of other earths in the DC universe is to be able to freely play around with popular characters in different ways, including killing them off from time to time. If it just happens to be a lot of women getting killed off on this earth, so what...no big deal. Those characters are still alive in other versions on other earths. Plus, in the world of comics, hardly any characters stay dead forever. Therefore, I think that anyone over analyzing the observation made in this article probably just needs to relax and read a different book if you don't like how a particular book has changed due to how characters are being handled.

I will give you a BIG STAR for having the heart to actually post this article. It is something to think about when looking at how Gods are handled in works of fiction, including comics. I will say this after reading your posting. At least when it comes to comics, I think it makes sense that any god would be handled, at least when it comes to how their power levels are portrayed, based on the level of how much that god's faith is followed and practiced within the current societal and cultural environment that the writer(s) has(have) been influenced by. To expect anything more wouldn't really make much sense at all. Gods are but the sum of others belief in them and interpretations of them.

Another point I'll attempt to make is by comparing the usage of Gods in comics to the usage of company one's heroic comic character by company two and company two pitting that company one's heroic character against one of its own heroic characters. It's hard, for me at least, to take the usage of these heroic characters within this story format seriously just as it is for me to take the usage of Gods in a comic story seriously. Now matter how much you try to get the power levels of these characters right to the point of proper respect others will always beg to differ with you to one degree or another. Characters that have become a part of pop culture are almost like gods themselves in the sense that they are loved, followed, and interpreted by many just as gods are or once were. That's why some can get in highly emotional debates when discussing which comic characters are more powerful, just as they would debating which gods are more powerful or more relevant and worth following.

I just think that all this leads to the fact you'll never be able to get this issue right for everyone. Even though you feel that they should be handling Thor with more respect, based upon the character being a personal favorite of yours, I'm perfectly content with the way that Thor has been handled, AND actually feel that he's gotten WAY MORE respect within the comics industry compared to other gods because he's had WAY MORE stories written about him in the medium by far.

@zackattack529 said:

who in their right mind thought that movie needed a remake!?! aha just saying..what was wrong with the original one??

In the film industry most pop culture gets a remake/reboot around 20 years later. That's just how the industry works. A lot of 90s movies were remade from 60s/70s shows/movies and now a lot of 80s/90s shows/movies are being remade today over the past 5 to 10 years. It's just the nature of the beast my friend. :)