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#1 Edited by onilordasmodeus (2529 posts) - - Show Bio

Liu Kang

Black Adam

Dr. Strange

The Thing

Raiden... Little Billy wouldn't even be able to turn into Shazam

Quicksilver

Cyborg

Batman Stomps completely. Johnny freaking Cage beat Scorpion

Pretty much this, only Scorpion would molly-whoop Batman 10/10. Blood-lusted Scorpion cannot be stopped.

#2 Edited by onilordasmodeus (2529 posts) - - Show Bio

Sho'Nuff, easy. Lol!

#3 Edited by onilordasmodeus (2529 posts) - - Show Bio

Abe should win. He has the strength and speed advantage, where V would only have the durability advantage. Abe's strength should negate V's durability out right though...IMO.

#4 Posted by onilordasmodeus (2529 posts) - - Show Bio

I probably would have to go with Mugen. I haven't seen Samurai Champloo in a long while, but from what I can remember he was very fast and extremely unorthodox. Connor is very versatile with his style, but I think in the end Mugen would take it.

#5 Posted by onilordasmodeus (2529 posts) - - Show Bio

@onilordasmodeus said:

@auction_sniper: I'm kind of siding with @vaeternus on this one, what point of yours did I prove?

@nick_hero22:

From MK Deception:

"In the beginning before existence, there was the One Being and the Elder Gods. The One Being fed off the Elder Gods. He was everything, and then the six Elder s consciousness into many realms, including the realms of Earthrealm, Netherrealm, Orderrealm, Chaosrealm, Edenia, and Outworld as well as the rest of existence. All of existence is the shattered consciousness of the One Being, as if the One Being was dreaming."

Also, the Kamidogu were explicitly stated to be "the tools of the gods", and the EG's created them specifically to kombat the One Being. I guess your meaning / you interpretation of Onaga's ending escapes me. What is false about what I said?

The Kamidogus house the One Being's essence and his consciousness was used to create the realms. You claimed this, "The OB has nothing to do with the Kamidogu as the Kamidogu are the EGs power made manifest in the realms."

According to ancient legend, in the beginning of time, there only existed the One Being and the Elder Gods. The One Being fed off of the essences of the Elder Gods, but eventually, the Elder Gods defeated the One Being, and, in efforts to weaken the One Being's omnipotence, the Elder Gods separated the One Being's consciousness into the realms and created six Kamidogu, which held the essence of the One Being. The legend decrees that if one were to obtain all six Kamidogu with the Sacred Amulet, he or she would be granted ultimate power.

If the OB's conscious was inside of the Kamidogu...then how is it that the OB can manipulate EVERYONE except those in the Realms? The source material says that the OB is a part of everyone and everything, and it shows that the EGs and what comes from them is not a part of it. Again, you need to re-read the source material...or you could just read the thread, it is all there.

I'd also like to point out that I quoted MK Deception directly, while you quoted a wiki. There is a huge difference in where we are getting our info.

#6 Posted by onilordasmodeus (2529 posts) - - Show Bio

@auction_sniper: I'm kind of siding with @vaeternus on this one, what point of yours did I prove?

@nick_hero22:

From MK Deception:

"In the beginning before existence, there was the One Being and the Elder Gods. The One Being fed off the Elder Gods. He was everything, and then the six Elder s consciousness into many realms, including the realms of Earthrealm, Netherrealm, Orderrealm, Chaosrealm, Edenia, and Outworld as well as the rest of existence. All of existence is the shattered consciousness of the One Being, as if the One Being was dreaming."

Also, the Kamidogu were explicitly stated to be "the tools of the gods", and the EG's created them specifically to kombat the One Being. I guess your meaning / you interpretation of Onaga's ending escapes me. What is false about what I said?

#7 Posted by onilordasmodeus (2529 posts) - - Show Bio

@onilordasmodeus said:

@nick_hero22:

1) "vanquish"? "trap"? I'd put to you that nothing of the sort happened. You should read the thread, I go in great detail to explain this very fact.

2) about toaa...that is what I said. About omniscience...what he said doesn't imply omniscience really, I'd say it implies omnipresence (which I'd say they are) more so than omniscience.

1) The essence of the One Being is trapped within the Kamidogus, which is why when Onaga fused them he achieved ultimate power.

2) Omnipresence would imply omniscience to a degree, so I see no issue here though outside of the fact that these attributes are speculative.

1) The OB is the realms and everything in it EXCEPT the EGs and everything that came from them. The OB has nothing to do with the Kamidogu as the Kamidogu are the EGs power made manifest in the realms.

2) You are correct..."to a degree" omniscience can be inferred, but it is indeed NOT omniscience.

@vaeternus: Yeah, the same Galactus that is capable of being on the multiversal scale. Just so you know, Odin was called omnipotent too, so there goes your argument. You said that he beats Odin, but I haven't seen anything from you that is able to convince me. Does Raiden even have any feats that suggest that he could take hits from Odin? Hell, can he even bust a planet/have planet level durability?

The Elder Gods are featless. You seem to be suggesting that they aren't, but I still haven't seen evidence suggesting otherwise.

Yes Odin was called Omnipotent, but he is indeed not. That fact is shown throughout this thread multiple times.

Also, to get the answer to the question you asked about Raiden...you really should read the thread.

#8 Edited by onilordasmodeus (2529 posts) - - Show Bio

@nick_hero22:

1) "vanquish"? "trap"? I'd put to you that nothing of the sort happened. You should read the thread, I go in great detail to explain this very fact/theory.

2) about toaa...that is what I said. About omniscience...what he said doesn't imply omniscience really, I'd say it implies omnipresence (which I'd say they are) more so than omniscience.

#9 Edited by onilordasmodeus (2529 posts) - - Show Bio

@nick_hero22 said:

Why did the Elder Gods feel it was necessary to take precautions against Onaga fusing the Kamidogus if they were omnipotent? And, how does something collectively become omnipotent?

1) see below.

2) It is essentially the same concept as the Infinity Gems collectively being call the Infinity Gauntlet and allowing the wearer to be Omnipotent (or close to it), where as if you only had one of the gems you'd only be "powerful".

@nick_hero22 said:

1) Why did the Elder Gods need to give Scorpion an ultimatum if they weren't concern about Onaga? They saw Onaga with the Kamidogus as a threat, and therefore, chose a champion to kill him before he got a chance to merger the Kamidogus. This type of behavior is in conflict with the claim that the Elder Gods are all-powerful.

2) The One Being couldn't be omnipotent when he lost to the Elder Gods eons ago! There is no such thing as something being more omnipotent than another omnipotent being.

3) I have already explained to you what a precaution is, and if the Elder Gods were omnipotent like you said then defeating Onaga should have been a breeze to them; so there would be no need to prepare for anything because there would be nothing that Onaga could do to get the upperhand or trouble them.

4) I didn't admit anything! I was simply following your logic which rest upon the fact that the Elder Gods are omnipotent. You are only trying to grasp at straws here because what you are saying doesn't make sense. Your analogy is wrong for the reasons I gave which is that an all-powerful being would be invulnerable and without weaknesses unlike Superman who isn't invulnerable and has weaknesses that could be exploited by the Predator which is why he would take precautions in a fight against one.

5) He didn't accomplish his task so he failed! They wasted their damn powers because Scorpion didn't do what they asked him to do with the powers they gave him! Damn, it's not that hard!

6) Seriously? If they could see into the future they would have saw that Shujinko was the one who could defeat Onaga. "Cause Onaga was already using Shujinko as a puppet, they probably figured Shujinko couldn't be trusted." This is a concession of defeat here because if the Elder Gods didn't know that Shujinko was trust-worthy then they aren't omniscient.

7) Again, if they were omnipotent that could have afforded to toy around and one-shot a street level threat like Shao Kahn, and it was never shown they one-shotted him on-panel.

I'm through responding to you because discussing this with you is utterly pointless and will go nowhere, which is why most of the users in this thread stopped discussing the topic with you. So, please don't bother responding back!

1) What?

2) What? The OB never "lost" to the EGs, they were at a stalemate then, and they are at a stalemate now.

3) You didn't pay attention to that part of the MK story did you...

4) There are a lot of things you are not taking into account.

6) Again, there are some things you aren't taking into account. Also, you used the term omniscient...did anyone say they were omniscient? I'd put to you that not even TOAA is omniscient in regards to beings outside of his control / creation.

7) Again, you are positing thoughts / "what-if" situations in there in regards to the EGs where you shouldn't. Regardless, again, you are not taking everything into consideration.

To be clear with this response, I don't think us discussing anything will result in you coming around to my point of view. From your perspective you will only look at things from the point of view of a monotheistic hierarchy, and that is not the way MK is setup. Their is much more at play here than you are/would give credit.

#10 Posted by onilordasmodeus (2529 posts) - - Show Bio

@jwalser3: FYI: Odin, Raiden, Shinnok, etc., are NIGH-omnipotent; the only TRUE omnipotent beings in either universe (Marvel or MK) are TOAA, the EG collective, and the One Being. You muddy the info, and thus the thread, when you try to individually lump Shinnok in by saying he's omnipotent when he isn't. Shinnok is VERY powerful in his own right, and when he has his Amulet he is even more so, but alone he can be defeated...just as Odin can even with the Odinforce.