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#1 Posted by Omnicrono (1785 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman = Karate Kid on two separate occasions.

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#2 Posted by Omnicrono (1785 posts) - - Show Bio

@omnicrono said:

@bat_girl_cc: See my edited list above. (if you have not already)

Well, if you really wanna "force" Batman into the TOP 5 you could do a "most famous ones list" xD and put it like this:

1) Karate Kid

2) Cassandra Cain (up for debate, due to the Body Reading Technique)

3) Lady Shiva

4) Richard Dragon

5) Batman

I think this is more like it.

Perhaps. :)

#3 Posted by Omnicrono (1785 posts) - - Show Bio

@bat_girl_cc: See my edited list above. (if you have not already)

#4 Edited by Omnicrono (1785 posts) - - Show Bio
@jashro44 said:

Lady shiva has admitted Cass has humbled her and Cass has beaten her twice. Cass should be above shiva.

I did not know that. So then:

1. Karate Kid

2. Cain

3. Batman

4. Shiva

5. Dragon

#6 Edited by Omnicrono (1785 posts) - - Show Bio
@bat_girl_cc said:

Thanks! :) and no, Batman can't be considered as the best, since he's not even in the top 5...(and i'm already letting some people out of the list, on purpose, that would be above him in the list)...but i do think he's in the top 10.

Nice list! Batman's not the best, though I'd definitely put him in the top 5, but that's just me. Despite what Batman said about Connor Hawke once upon time... characters "say" things all the time that often amount to little more than hype in the moment (case in point: Supes calling Bats the most dangerous man alive)... I don't at all think Hawke, Dragon, or Cain are better. Presently, my own top 5 would go something like:

1. Karate Kid

2. Lady Shiva

3. Batman

4. Cassandra Cain

5. Richard Dragon

#7 Posted by Omnicrono (1785 posts) - - Show Bio

@wyldsong said:

They do vary based on what Danny puts out, and he has an almost Superman/Spider-Man/etc so one type ability to know how to hit with just enough juice to hurt. I've never seen him really have to gauge a foe to decide just how much to use. I have seen him dial it down a notch to purposefully not knock someone out on the first hit.

I see. But certainly he's either heard about, seen, or encountered most of those foes before? Batman's completely outside his universe. So I guess what I am saying is that I'm just not sure that Danny one-shotting him at the beginning is really a viable scenario. And if he doesn't one-shot Batman pretty quick, the chances of him one-shotting him at all are going to decrease significantly as the battle drags on, in my opnion.

#8 Edited by Omnicrono (1785 posts) - - Show Bio

@wyldsong said:

@omnicrono said:

Yes, of course there are different types of damage. That's not really where I was going. Maybe "punishment" is a better word. The amount of punishment a person can take and still keep on fighting... are Danny's chi-based blows going to cause more punishment and do more to prevent Batman from continuing the fight than the punishment he has received from guys like Supes and MM... that is the question, and yes, it is admittedly hard to gauge because they are different types of damage, but I believe we can gauge it to an extent based on Danny's most destructive/punishing offensive feats.

I don't think we can really gauge it, as Superman nor MMH can bypass certain things like Danny's chi can. Looking at some of Danny's destructive feats, and how they are performed (like pushing the chi through something, virtually destroying the insides), I don't see how Bat's could take one Iron Fist. Like I said, it is quite a bit different than taking a punch.

Danny's chi-based attacks certainly have varying levels of damage output, do they not? Does he typically lead-in with the all-powerful, helicarrier destroying attacks, or does he gauge his opponents and then deal out the appropriate amount of damage? I'm sure it's the latter and not the former. The point being, he has never encountered Batman before, so he won't know the right amount at the outset.

#9 Edited by Omnicrono (1785 posts) - - Show Bio

@wyldsong said:

Well, the thing with their damage output, is that it is strictly blunt force damage. Armor, outwards durability, and the ability to roll with a punch all would help against something like that. But with chi, Danny can physically put chi into objects, and can push chi through objects for more destruction and damage. So when he took out the helicarrier, that wasn't blunt/kinect force at work. That was pure chi spreading throughout the helicarrier to bring it down. You can't really compare the two, as they each function differently. The only way to know how someone will stand up to a chi attack, is to see them stand up to it. People like Hercule's have stood up to high level tonner hits, and get dropped by the Shou Lao chi. So while I understand where you are coming from, you can't really compare the two types of damage.

Yes, of course there are different types of damage. That's not really where I was going. Maybe "punishment" is a better word. The amount of punishment a person can take and still keep on fighting... are Danny's chi-based blows going to cause more punishment and do more to prevent Batman from continuing the fight than the punishment he has received from guys like Supes and MM... that is the question, and yes, it is admittedly hard to gauge because they are different types of damage, but I believe we can gauge it to an extent based on Danny's most destructive/punishing offensive feats.

#10 Edited by Omnicrono (1785 posts) - - Show Bio

@wyldsong said:

Well, the main source of damage from Danny can bypass any external protection, meaning armor and durability means very little, which gives a good reason as to why Danny can lay out Luke Cage, Hercules, and so on in one hit.

Yeah, for sure. But does the actual damage output from the armor-bypassed blow equal or surpass the damage output Batman has shaken off from blows by super-powered guys like Manhunter and Supes was more where I was going with that.

But yeah, as I said in my very original argument on Page 1, the battle will go downhill for Batman very quickly if tries to play the h2h cqc game with Danny.

EDIT: It's the same reason he won't dare go cqc with guys like Supes, Manhunter, etc. He's smarter than that (I'd hope). Though in Danny's case, he's not nearly as durable as those two (more of a "glass cannon" type), so I believe Batman could certainly lay him out with his bare fists if given the opportunity.