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I would pick Colossus, not only for his size, super strength and practical invulnerability but also because he doesn't need to eat, drink, breath or sleep in his metal form. Heck, he's been shown to survive in the vacuum of space as long as he stays osmium-alloyed. It makes me think that if he stayed in that form he might have a very long life span. Now if I could dump in Wolverine's healing factor, I'd be all set.

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#2  Edited By numi

@chasereis:

Oh nono I never implied that you're a Scott-Jean ZEALOT lol. You just like the Scott-Jean pairing. Even I was in favor of Scott & Jean just retiring permanently in the mid-late 90s. The Onslaught story should have been their last one as a part of the X-Men. They should have retired together after that one.

You know, this brings up a good point. Not about that particular pairing but why doesn't Marvel have couples retiring, only to be seen from occasionally? I know it feels like they absolutely hate long term couples and heaven forbid they ever have a couple marry and actually stay together but why can't they let some pairs find a happy retirement? Hell it could even be a less central pair if they don't want to sideline an A list couple.

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@hawk2916 said:

Never will understand the worshipful adoration some people have for Bendis. I have my favorites too but its not like they can do no wrong. Any error he makes is not a big deal for his fans, but let another writer do it. He has some decent ideas at times but his execution coupled with a ridiculously slow and drawn out pace and obvious arrogant attempts to troll and piss off the fans, and his at times blatant attempts to character assassinate and destruction of anything slightly resembling continuity sometimes drowns out t his talent. And please dont try to give me numbers as a justification of anything. The masses are generally not the best argument to use for obvious reasons that I wont state here because I dont want to offend anyone.

This amalgam of a team or whatever hopefully is another troll thing on his part. Though Utopians was supposed to be his thing. Who knows but I certainly don't want him writing Sage or Colossus and Spiral is not an xman.

Pretty much this.

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@veitha said:

so it's every Z-series character thrown in there with Colossus?

Bendis revenge for asking too much about colossus. since when is spiral an x-men, i thought it was a temporary thing

Meh, I expect nothing from Bendis but disappointment. He might have good ideas from time to time but his execution leave something to be desired. That being said, I don't buy that image as a legitimate thing yet. If it is, it's going to be horrible for Pete. How else would you expect someone who has publicly stated that he hates the character to write him? God, please let Bendis move off with his OC books and away from the X-men.

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"Being an omega level mutant was a limitation for Jean IMO. Due to the Dark Phoenix everybody was afraid that Jean could turn into that and anytime she used more power than they were use to seeing they panicked and she could sense it. So she kept her powers locked down for years, being an omega level mutant was like a curse because she could never comfortably use her powers without being reminded of how potentially dangerous they were without being held in check at all times. In all honesty without the seemingly standard psi blocks of today and robots Emma doesn't need a team either because she is a telepath."

So you're saying poor Jean was really a victim of having the power of a god? We should feel sorry for her because she chose not to unleash her full power all the time? So any trouble they found themselves in she could have gotten them out of with a thought, therefore anything that actually happened to all the rest was technically her fault because she allowed it to happen.... because she didn't want anyone to be afraid of her and what she could do? Does that actually make her a coward or just evil?

Who is feeling sorry for her? I am explaining how she does have limitations and how they are self imposed. Your argument gets kind of silly as I continue to read so I will wipe it from my memory.

Which is a reflection of the ludicrous claim that a self imposed limitation is any kind of real limitation or flaw at all. When it can be abandoned at will to become a lazy plot device for writers to save or destroy anything and everything. If you can't follow the logic that any self imposed limitations of Jean's that keep her from fixing a problem or saving the life of someone when she has the ability make her either (a) a coward for not saving them or (b) evil for choosing to let them die then you don't understand the fallacy of your argument. Putting handcuffs on yourself when you have the key to them doesn't really restrict your actions and the same holds true for your argument for her limitations.

That being said, I would read a solo book for her just to see how they write someone with that kind of power and where they can go with it but in a team dynamic it just doesn't work for me. "...and here's our fifth member, Jean! She's essentially god but she 'll try to play being mortal so we don't all feel useless or afraid..."

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emma will never surpass jean in any way. she already have scott. that's it. emma will never be more powerful and love more than jean.

1. because jean is the 1st x-woman

2. emma started as a villain

3. jean has always been the heart of the x-men and emma's a bitch

4. kitty, storm and rachel hates her. no one hates jean except emma and her fans.

Jean is now comfortable with her powers, she knows that with the x-men she won't go dark phoenix.

Uh... what? No seriously, you're saying she's better because she's a damn Mary Sue? Having essentially infinite power is already a massive problem. Power corrupts and we've seen Jean give in to that multiple times. As for love, sorry I just don't buy that, it's your own perception and I don't see it being backed up. As to your other points.

1. So what? Scott is the first x-man, right? Doesn't make him beloved.

2. ...and became good as opposed to going the other way in your simplistic terms. But better yet, Emma is neither black nor white, good nor evil. She's much more human and connectable than that with all her flaws and it's more enjoyable reading her deal with them.

3. Utterly subjective and childish. The heart of the x-men? Rather a whiny anchor around their necks.

4. Pretty sure some of the cuckoos hate Jean for similar reasons as to why Rachel hates Emma.

Talking about teen Jean aren't you? I wouldn't be so sure about either her comfort or any certainty that she won't go Dark.

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"Being an omega level mutant was a limitation for Jean IMO. Due to the Dark Phoenix everybody was afraid that Jean could turn into that and anytime she used more power than they were use to seeing they panicked and she could sense it. So she kept her powers locked down for years, being an omega level mutant was like a curse because she could never comfortably use her powers without being reminded of how potentially dangerous they were without being held in check at all times. In all honesty without the seemingly standard psi blocks of today and robots Emma doesn't need a team either because she is a telepath."

So you're saying poor Jean was really a victim of having the power of a god? We should feel sorry for her because she chose not to unleash her full power all the time? So any trouble they found themselves in she could have gotten them out of with a thought, therefore anything that actually happened to all the rest was technically her fault because she allowed it to happen.... because she didn't want anyone to be afraid of her and what she could do? Does that actually make her a coward or just evil?

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I'm going to have to go with Emma simply because I enjoy heroes that have a weakness, their own personal kryptonite as it were. In the same light I despise the "Omega level" mutants. If you want them, fine but move them out of the books where everyone else isn't one. I prefer heroes to have real flaws and limitations, especially in a team book where they need to depend on each other more to accomplish things. With Emma I can see that, the way they keep upping the power levels with all the Omega idiocy destroys that for me.

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Among other things, he sided against her in the question of the o5 being forced to go home or allowing them to choose for themselves so she dumped him.

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@oldnightcrawler What about rachel dating colossus?

My first reaction was why not? Then I thought no, Rachel likes bad boys with immense power. Rachel and Kitty being good friends is kind of irrelevant to the mix considering Kitty and Illyana are already best friends and that gets weird when they talk about Piotr so what's a little more weirdness? Still not as weird to me as Magneto and Rogue in any case.

I agree with @oldnightcrawler "...depends how it was done, I guess. If it's a good story, that's all I care about."

In either case I think for character development, ole Petey would benefit greatly from dating a telepath. Someone who can read his thoughts and emotions without him having to say anything and I could see how that would lead to a lot of development for him. Whether it's done with Emma (as suggested by @rickbarry ) or with Rachel, there would be a lot of Drama with Kitty either way and either way, I would pay to read it.

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@god_spawn said:

@veitha:

And Celeste/Tyke might be actually good

That would be a total Fry is his own grandpa kind of thing. I could imagine the prologue

"Young Cyclops was forced from his time period into the modern day future where he has sparked a relationship with the clone daughter of his older self's ex-girlfriend."

Maybe that is how Ruby was born. It was never Emma, but Celeste all along!

Did Bendis make good on his Magik/Colossus promise?

What promise?