@yodagod:
Spidey's on panel IQ has been stated as both actually. I can give you the scans if you like. The entire point of it being brought up in those issues is to put him along side Reed and Tony. Tony's has also been said to be 270. Reed's has never been stated in 616. In Ulitimates universe, his pre-cosmic bombardment was supposed to be 269. Peter's other test scores were also supposed to match Tony and Reed's at the same age. Their IQ's are all that high. And they are all smarter than Bats. Banner's was supposed to be immeasurable and the only reason Reed is considered smarter now is because his intellect was enhance beyond any human level by the rays, and he can increase it even more by increasing his brain's surface area and shortening the distance between neurons. Pete may not have the feats to be top 10 or maybe even top 20 yet, though that is changing. It doesn't change the fact that his on panel IQ is significantly higher than Batman's on panel IQ. No one is saying Bats isn't a better martial artist or detective, but those have nothing to do with IQ. Add in that most of Batman's tech feats are also with the help of others i.e. Lucius Fox, or with other people's research like T.O. Morrow. With a 190 IQ and a couple billion dollars, plus a few global corporations and who knows how many superior genius-level contacts (Mr Terrific, Atom, etc...) of course Bruce should be able to adapt someone else's nanotech to target Manhunter or build a robot (using Will Magnus's blueprints). Pretty much all of these are things any comic genius with the right contacts and resources can do. Bruce has more feats, of course. It's his bread and butter.
doesn't matter, both instances are writer inducted stupidity and have no basis behind them. several marvel sources have classified spiderman as gifted and not a genius. tony's iq is No where Close to 270, I've looked for reference to this, even on marvel database which at least would give the source of this and no where does it stated this. i can't comment on ultimate reed but he isn't relevant here.
parker is worlds below batman, tony is a better engineer [though not by much since tony has never created something that can rip holes through time and space] batman is a better chemist since he's replicated the lazurus pit that ra's uses to keep from dying and has reverted metahumans back to normal. reed is a better scientist then bats and nothing else.
i'm not going to address banner since he's not relevant here but his iq has never been stated to be any higher then batman's either. batman's intellect has been stated to be immersurable also but i wouldn't put much faith in those statements since their mostly hyperbolic and imessurable
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officially marvel list spiderman as gifted, only marc guggenheim and his WIS list spiderman as anything higher. weather you like it or not it's bad writing similar to Qucksilver being light speed in siege, neither is remotely accurate.
Right except that when it comes to Batman's best tech, teleporters, jla slider tech, jla robots, brother eye, insider suit, light speed bullets, boom tubes, there hasnt been anything to suggest anyone except batman himsel worked on these. you have no evidence that other characters assisted batman in making any of these especially when most of them were top secret.
But officially, according to both companies, Parker is in another league intellectually.
offically according to marvel and the linkes I showed Parker is gifted and not a genius, only according to marck guggenheim is spiderman's intellect genius level and considering this is the same guy that literally punched a guy made out of molten lava, tried webbing daredevil's eyes even though he's already blind, has absolutely no intellectual feats worth mentioning and is even classified as gifted by marvel themselves. there's no basis for the statement and is easily dismissable. parker is worlds below bats in intellect.
Reed is absolutely leagues smarter than Batman. Ignoring the fact that intellect is quantifiable, and is about problem solving and not areas of expertise, Reed knows more about literally everything than batman except martial arts and maybe detective work including things about which Batman can't even comprehend. Neither of which have anything to do with any kind of intelligence.
someone else said it best, reed is a betteer scientist then batman, outside of area's of expertise he isn't in batman's league in anything including strategy/tactics etc.
Barring omnipotent beings, Reed is the unquestioned, undeniable number one mind in Marvel
tony stark has already proven to be reed's superior
And while DC usually has the power advantage over Marvel, in general Marvel has the intellectual advantage. Only three of DC's top five would even crack Marvel's top ten. Bats isn't anywhere close.
marvel has no intellectual advantage, in fact it's quite the opposite. john constantine can outprep anyone in marvel with ease. majestic is probably around the same level intellecually as reed except he can things in seconds that would take reed days or weeks if not longer. the brainiacs and alexander luthor have better tech then anyone in marvel, unless someone in marvel managed to recreate the entire multiverse with their own tech. dc has much better strategist and manipulators like TAO that marvel has no answer for. Tao could easilly talk any Marvel genius into killing themselves and the dude achieved omnipotence by manipulating others
its funny you bring this up because i remember in another thread you put batman in the top five which pretty much shows you have no knowledge of dc.
as far as this fight goes batman could easily scramble parkers brains, non lethal and very effective, spiderman cant avoid it either
Absolutely no basis for this "theory" except frustration.
yes because with prep time against a stronger oppnent batman wont use the obvious and most easy solution that not only is non lethal but full proof. you don't seem to know anything about the character
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