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#1 Posted by nikbackm (184 posts) - - Show Bio

Bumping again due to reaching 400 covers.

(Largely thanks to the plethora of AvX variant and reprint covers over the last few months. But they still count.)

#2 Posted by nikbackm (184 posts) - - Show Bio

lol, no.

#3 Edited by nikbackm (184 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd say the immunity of the diamond form is close to absolute (barring cosmic level of power) most of the time.

That's how it was depicted in the First Class movie as well, Magneto had to force her out of the diamond form so Xavier could access her mind via his TP.

It was said to be immune in the recent X-Men Anime too.

#4 Posted by nikbackm (184 posts) - - Show Bio

@Madame_Mist said:

Wait, so she shattered in diamond form, and was technically kept alive by the Phoenix, like the last time she shattered? At this rate, Emma is going to beat Jean in the death and resurrection tally. Great:\

Nah, she was not kept alive (nor resurrected) by the Phoenix last time this happened, just re-assembled. Jean Grey noticed that Emma's consciousness was still around when she investigated her after Beast had collected her parts. She then used her TK to fuse them back together again.

So in a way her diamond form seems to work much like Rockslide and his rocks, she just cannot put herself together without help as he can. Her broken arm was also put back without adverse effects a while ago courtesy of the Science team.

#5 Edited by nikbackm (184 posts) - - Show Bio

@GaeaPhoenix said:

i know back when Emma was with the dark x-men that she stated that she's an omega class telepath now. Did she grow on her own or did Jean nudge her that way. What with Jean blasting her with that small portion of the phoenix.

No, she was always referred to as a top-notch telepath. Which is what Fraction intended to get across with the "omega class telepath" label (also applied to Xavier ftm). Not really any relation to the so-called omega level mutants AFAIK.

I once made a list of telepathic feats/descriptions for Emma before this labeling happened.

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White Queen era

Uncanny X-Men #129 - Easily takes out Storm, Wolverine and Colossus despite telepathic defenses taught by Xavier and Phoenix.

"Telepathic force bolt.. assaulting our minds! So... powerful"

"...but the outcome is never in doubt."

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/3...ngdownxmen.jpg

(Later she also captures Xavier off-screen)

Classic X-Men #7 - Long distance telepathic communication with Shaw (100 miles).

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/7761/...ongdistanc.jpg

Uncanny X-Men #169 - In coma, Shaw speculates Xavier being behind it, as he's one of the few (or only) with sufficient power to accomplish it.

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/7...ic73006bz2.jpg

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/7...ic73007vq0.jpg

New Mutants #15 - Hinted to be around Xavier-level.

"Possibly on par with Professor Xavier himself".

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/362...ut15xavier.jpg

This is course just Illyana speculating, but it shows the writer had it in mind at the time.

New Mutants #40 - said to have "formidable telepathic abilities" by Magneto.

http://picasaweb.google.fi/nikbackm/EmmaFrost#5465966095304693970

Uncanny X-Men #284 - Stated by both Xavier and Storm to be a telepath in Jean's class. Xavier said he should have felt a psychic as powerful as she pass away.

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/1...hatelepath.jpg

Uncanny X-Men #312

"A telepath of the highest order"

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/7617/uncxmenv131222rougherpo8.jpg

Uncanny X-Men #316 - tears apart the minds of some Phalanx.

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/8...artphalanx.jpg

Generation X era

She was stated to be a top-tier telepath several times during Generation X.

Generation X #16 - "a psion of enormous ability"

http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/8...6enability.jpg

Generation X #30 - "A telepath of enormous power"

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/8848/genx30enpower.jpg

Generation X #35 - "One of the most powerful telepaths on the planet"

http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/7...nx35planet.jpg

Generation X #42 - "One of the most powerful psi talents on the planet"

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/8325/genx42planet2.jpg

Morrison's view on the matter

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/580/99403317.png

That is, Emma and Jean (before she got grew into the Phoenix power too much as happened slowly during his run), were pretty evenly matched.

Modern times (post-Morrison)

(But before Fraction)

In recent times Mike Carey is the one who has pushed her most as the powerful telepath she's always been described as I think, he wrote that remote fight with Sinister as previously mentioned, as well as the stalemate with Exodus, and having Exodus include her among the top five telepaths currently around.

And Carey has always been known as a writer with a good knowledge of old X-continuity hasn't he? As well as having an ability to use it well.

X-Men #202 - among the top five telepaths

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/359...202fivetps.jpg

X-Men #205 - Sinister remote fight

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/248...erremoteat.jpg

http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/2...erremoteat.jpg

X-Men #207 - Exodus stalemate

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/528...atingexodu.jpg

World War Hulk: X-Men #2 - blocking Xavier

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Secret Invasion X-Men #3 - Takes out a cadre of trained skrull telepaths blocking telepathic communications across the globe.

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/6...n003002db3.jpg

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/190...n003003bh2.jpg

http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/7...n003004tj2.jpg

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/755...n003007vg5.jpg

X-Men Legacy #216 - Takes Xavier on a guided tour in his mind (also said to have abilities rivaling those of Xavier on the recap page)

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/2...y216001pl8.jpg

X-Men Legacy Annual

Before it was common for MU telepaths to compare themselves with Xavier but this Z-lister compares himself to Emma, he still manages to mess pretty well with Gambit though.

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/816...nualpage32.jpg

All of these (except the Legacy Annual) happened well before Fraction started referring to her as an omega class telepath. And all of them were written by Mike Carey.

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#7 Posted by nikbackm (184 posts) - - Show Bio

Eh, these are not regulated exhibition matches, nothing says it will be fair fights. Cheating is allowed.

For example, maybe Iron Man is almost down and out at this stage due to his previous fight with Magneto.

#8 Posted by nikbackm (184 posts) - - Show Bio

@ebuchanan said:

It would be cooler is she could change to a form made of Degenerate Matter rather than diamond, then she would be nigh unstoppable, strong, and impervious......

I don't think that would make sense. She would be far too heavy to be able to move, and would fall straight to the center of the planet. Degenerate matter would not be stable outside of a very strong gravity well either.

So better stick to organic diamond, that works. In comparison at least!

#9 Posted by nikbackm (184 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't believe we'll see any further changes in Emma Frost's power set any time soon. For the more well-known characters stability (barring temporary gimmicks) is a much-desired property to make it easier for Marvel to license their intellectual property. We already got the diamond form change which seems to have stuck given its frequent use in the comics and more importantly perhaps, other media like movies and animations. Heck, even toys and statues.

If Marvel want to shake things up for Emma there are many other options that come to mind before going the route of changing her powers (again).

Giving her telekinesis I think would be the absolute last one on that list, as so many others already have the teke/tepe combo. You don't generally want to make the characters less unique. Having it manifest in the same way as the diamond form secondary mutation (due to extreme external circumstances) would also be going back to the same well again.

They might have teased it during Generation X, even if doubt I doubt they actually planned to go through with it. In any case, I can't see any X-book dragging up plot threads dropped so long ago and superceded by other developments since. It might make for a nice fan-fiction though. Actually, it would not surprise me if there are already a few written about this.

@kiss_lamia said:

Then allowed Cassandra Nova to allow Emma to create her current diamond form.

No, Cassandra Nova did not create Emma's diamond form.

The so-called flashback in Astonishing X-Men #13 was not any more real than Emma's many meetings with her "Hellfire Club" cohorts during the Torn arc (and a few times before that as well, but then only their "voices" were heard).

This was explained in Astonishing X-Men #18 where we saw that Nova managed to plant a "hail mary" into Emma's mind right when she tricked Nova into the Stuff prison in New X-Men #126. (Check the real flashback in the first page of AXM #18 as well as additional explanations courtesy of Cyclops, Beast and Wolverine in the end of that issue).

#10 Posted by nikbackm (184 posts) - - Show Bio

Just a quick comment regarding this part "but with Cyclops and Wolverine at each others' throats (over a woman who has been dead for the last 7 years), what does it mean for the leadership and future of the X-Men?"

They didn't fight over Jean Grey in Schism (even if a very superficial reading might perhaps give that impression). Cyclops simply used her to strike at Wolverine, who then followed suit (perhaps in a more respectful way to her).

As stated by Jason Aaron here:

Marvel.com: One thing that really struck me is how the mention of Jean Grey put things over the edge for Wolverine and Cyclops. We saw this briefly touched upon once before in an issue of WOLVERINE you wrote, but how would you describe this thing they share over a certain redhead?

Jason Aaron: Well, you can’t do a story about tensions between Cyclops and Wolverine without mentioning Jean at some point. It’s a love triangle that was at the heart of the X-Men for years, so I just like the idea that in the midst of a heated debate it’d come out. Once it got ugly, Cyclops went for something to hurt Logan and that’s the first thing to pull out: mentioning Jean. He pulls it out without mentioning her by name, but it’s spelled out. And of course Logan fires back. That shows that things were getting ugly and personal. We’ve seen these two fight before, but nothing like this, nothing on this level.