I feel sorry for Chris Brown.

Dude hit a woman 3 years ago! He's being prosecuted to this day for a mistake that he seemingly hasn't repeated and had no prior history of. Every couple of months or so, it seems as if another random woman (for the most part Caucasian) wants to remind us that Chris Brown is a horrible person. If Chris is at the Grammy's and does a performance, some random woman tweets how horrible he is and doesn't deserve to be at the Grammy's. If he's in a picture with a fan and is smiling, some random woman decides that he should never smile again because he is a terrible person. How long is Chris Brown going to be the new Ike Turner? How many people have to jump on his back before he breaks?

In the latest turn of events, a random nobody tweets about Chris and then a producer for a popular TV show responds. This apparently gets Mr. Brown's attention and he responds accordingly. Now I know about 70% of those reading are probably automatically on the side of "random girl" and "producer guy", but in all honesty isn't Chris allowed to live a life? If someone wants to use his name as a punchline for a joke isn't he allowed a retort? It seems to me as if a young black male is allowed one strike in today's society before he is deemed an outcast! What exactly in the past three years has Chris actually done to warrant such ill-regard amongst his peers? I know there was that thing on the "Today" show, but is that honestly that big of a deal?

Now, before everybody decides that I'm anti-feminist or a woman basher, I will say this: Men should not hit women! It's not cool, it's not macho or in anyway a gentleman should project himself. But, women should also play a part in the equation. To provoke someone with a temperament towards a volatile disposition is like playing Russian roulette. I've seen women press a situation towards violence. I've actually seen one of my friend's in an argument with his girlfriend try to diffuse the situation and walk away. His girlfriend punched him in the back of the head and then pulled a knife on him and tried to stab him. He punched the s#!t out of her, she fell and the knife flew out of her hand. I pulled him away and threw him to the ground and told her to go somewhere. She went and called the cops. When they arrived I gave my statement and told them exactly what happened. Long story short; they both spent the night in jail, and to be honest, I didn't feel sorry for either of them. The point is; just because someone hit a woman doesn't automatically make them the bad guy in a situation. It means they made a poor decision, but the circumstances don't always exonerate the woman. I like to let the facts dictate my level of contempt for a person and not the situation.

Also, if Rhianna has forgiven him, isn't time that every other woman in the world give him a chance as well? The more America harps on this kid the more it seems as if it's a racial thing.

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Posted by pooty

Since he hit Rihanna, who deserved it for hitting him first, Chris Brown has won awards,been at the top of the charts, sold out tours, he still keeps his "bad boy" persona,has 2 fine girls fighting over him and has made MILLIONS of dollars. Sorry, I don't feel bad for him at all.

Posted by Mercy_

I'd have a lot more sympathy (nevermind, not sympathy...understanding) for him if he weren't such a contentious prick on multiple occasions. If he owned up to what he did (aside from court mandated community service and other conditions), I'd be a lot more likely to say 'yeah, this dude did something pretty terrible, but he's making amends for it'. That's not the case at all. Contrarily, he seems to enjoy flaunting the fact that he did this and continuing on with an aggressive, confrontational attitude. The Twitter incident with Jenny Johnson is a clear indicator of that and only the most recent in a series of incidents in the same vein of behavior.

Was what Jenny did commendable? Nope, not at all, she was clearly baiting him for the reaction and that's a shtty thing to do. But that's when you have some class and you either defend yourself articulately (I made a mistake in the past, I'm making amends for it. Rihanna has forgiven me, it would be nice if the public could find the will to do the same) or you simply bow out of the conversation and let it slide off your back and block the person harassing you. His reaction speaks leaps and bounds about what kind of a person he is.

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Posted by White Mage

Can we please stop talking as if he only backhanded the girl?...............that's 1

2. I'm more interested in his being a poser, at this point

3. He's a good entertainer

4. I wouldn't say I feel sorry for him

5. He turned himself into an ongoing Lindsay Lohan-style public figure with that domestic violence case....Michael Jackson couldn't escape rumors, so this man ain't about to escape facts that can be confirmed via public records.

6. WHY do people keep having beef on TWITTER?................WHY?!

Posted by JediXMan

@Mercy_ said:

I'd have a lot more sympathy (nevermind, not sympathy...understanding) for him if he weren't such a contentious prick on multiple occasions. If he owned up to what he did (aside from court mandated community service and other conditions), I'd be a lot more likely to say 'yeah, this dude did something pretty terrible, but he's making amends for it'. That's not the case at all. Contrarily, he seems to enjoy flaunting the fact that he did this and continuing on with an aggressive, confrontational attitude. The Twitter incident with Jenny Johnson is a clear indicator of that and only the most recent in a series of incidents in the same vein of behavior.

Was what Jenny did commendable? Nope, not at all, she was clearly baiting him for the reaction and that's a shtty thing to do. But that's when you have some class and you either defend yourself articulately (I made a mistake in the past, I'm making amends for it. Rihanna has forgiven me, it would be nice if the public could find the will to do the same) or you simply bow out of the conversation and let it slide off your back and block the person harassing you. His reaction speaks leaps and bounds about what kind of a person he is.

Agreed.

@pooty said:

Since he hit Rihanna, who deserved it for hitting him first

... the hell?

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Posted by JediXMan

@White Mage said:

Can we please stop talking as if he only backhanded the girl?

This is true, too.

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Posted by Night Thrasher

@Mercy_: I was honestly waiting for your reaction above most others and sincerely respect your opinion. But, how many times does he have to pay for the same incident? Is he an A-hole? Yes! Was he an A-Hole before? Yes! he arrogant and has a self importance that doesn't seem warranted but is that a crime? Is that worth disturbing him for years over the same incident? And what role does Rhianna play in it. She did strike him first in a moving vehicle. A Lamborghini at that! Does she deserve any of the shame that has been levied towards Chris? To me it seems that a lot of his behavior lately has been provoked. He seems to be lashing out at those who seem to be baiting or bashing him without prior stimuli...how does that factor in to your opinion?

Posted by Mercy_

@pooty said:

Since he hit Rihanna, who deserved it for hitting him first

I generally agree with the principal that if a female hits a male, he's not outside his rights to hit her back. But it's not like he just slapped her across the face. He savagely beat the sh!t out of her and that's something else entirely.

This is the police report detailing exactly what he did to her. I suggest that you read it (skip down to page 4 for the pertinent details) before you say that she deserved it.

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Posted by JediXMan

I feel like posting this.

Not saying I agree with everything, but for the most part, I do.

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Posted by Night Thrasher

@Mercy_ said:

@pooty said:

Since he hit Rihanna, who deserved it for hitting him first

I generally agree with the principal that if a female hits a male, he's not outside his rights to hit her back. But it's not like he just slapped her across the face. He savagely beat the sh!t out of her and that's something else entirely.

This is the police report detailing exactly what he did to her. I suggest that you read it (skip down to page 4 for the pertinent details) before you say that she deserved it.

I never said she deserved it...I just said she wasn't entirely innocent. Which is vastly different.

Also...don't use a police report as an example of evidence to a black man, sorry but I know from experience that those things aren't the most reliable source for information.

Posted by Mercy_

@Night Thrasher said:

@Mercy_: I was honestly waiting for your reaction above most others and sincerely respect your opinion. But, how many times does he have to pay for the same incident? Is he an A-hole? Yes! Was he an A-Hole before? Yes! he arrogant and has a self importance that doesn't seem warranted but is that a crime? Is that worth disturbing him for years over the same incident? And what role does Rhianna play in it. She did strike him first in a moving vehicle. A Lamborghini at that! Does she deserve any of the shame that has been levied towards Chris? To me it seems that a lot of his behavior lately has been provoked. He seems to be lashing out at those who seem to be baiting or bashing him without prior stimuli...how does that factor in to your opinion?

Thanks :)

Like I said, I'd be a lot more understanding of him and his anger at this being constantly brought up if he weren't constantly such an @ss about it specifically and in general. I see your points and while I agree with the general sentiment that somebody shouldn't necessarily be defined by one action (especially when that action is not in direct correlation to their living), there are other circumstances. He chose to live his life in the public eye, that means that things are scrutinized and remembered. People are very overreactive about this (and I can definitely be one of them), but what he did was so beyond the realms of decency.

In my post above I linked a legal document that details exactly what he did to her. Like I said in that post, if he'd just slapped her (while still not acceptable, nor was it on her part), I'd be a lot more willing to forgive and forget. There is really no other way to describe what he did other than to say that he savaged her.

I think he's definitely being provoked (and deleting his Twitter account was in his best interests). I'm not going to defend the people provoking him, but I also think it speaks to his lack of remorse that he STILL refuses to own up to his actions or to display any remorse. As far as I've seen, any time he's called out on what he's done, he either acts like a petulant child or goes on a rage (Good Morning America, Jenny Johnson, CM Punk etc). It's not an admirable way to handle things, it's not a classy way to handle things and it speaks to how angry and easily enraged that he is.

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Posted by White Mage

@Night Thrasher said:

@Mercy_ said:

@pooty said:

Since he hit Rihanna, who deserved it for hitting him first

I generally agree with the principal that if a female hits a male, he's not outside his rights to hit her back. But it's not like he just slapped her across the face. He savagely beat the sh!t out of her and that's something else entirely.

This is the police report detailing exactly what he did to her. I suggest that you read it (skip down to page 4 for the pertinent details) before you say that she deserved it.

I never said she deserved it...I just said she wasn't entirely innocent. Which is vastly different.

Also...don't use a police report as an example of evidence to a black man, sorry but I know from experience that those things aren't the most reliable source for information.

A black man who beat a black woman, who then took photos of the results of said beating aren't good enough proof for you?

No offense, but your argument would've been much stronger if Chris had been dating a white woman..............btw, I don't approve of being forced to write this sentence

Posted by Night Thrasher

@Mercy_: What I want to know is...where is the disdain, the songs, the tweets and social commentary about Pillar Sanders? The former wife of NFL star Deion Sanders was accused of domestic battery by Deion, and there are police reports to back that up and eye witness testimony by the kids. What I'm saying is this...Is it easier to hate on Chris Brown because he's young, black and male? Or is the contempt really out of sympathy for the victim?

Posted by White Mage

@JediXMan said:

I feel like posting this.

Not saying I agree with everything, but for the most part, I do.

.....wow.........that's a lot.lol

I must say, I agree with a helluva lot of this

Edited by JediXMan

@Night Thrasher said:

Or is the contempt really out of sympathy for the victim?

That... that might be an issue. Let's be honest: if Chris Brown was dating some nameless girl and not Rihanna, I doubt anybody would care,

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Posted by JediXMan

@White Mage:

Same. I think it was a pretty good video (albeit funny in parts. The end was genuinely funny, and the fact that a song review never says anything about the song - at all)

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Posted by Mercy_

@Night Thrasher: I can't accurately answer that question, as his race has no bearing on my own personal disdain of him. I'm not gonna sit here and say that it's a non-factor, though, unfortunately we don't live in that world. But at the same time, how high profile are Chris Brown and Rihanna compared to an NFL player and his wife? Chris Brown's sold millions of albums, as has Rihanna. The incident occurred on the night of the Grammy's where they were both in attendance. Not only is Chris Brown a household name, but so is Rihanna. There are other factors that come into play in comparisons like that other than just race.

Again, speaking for myself personally, his race, his age and his success have nothing to do with it, other than the fact of how highly publicized it was and the fact that he's so remorseless about it and the way that he continues to handle himself. If this were a 20-something white guy that I knew in my own personal life (I'm white myself, pretty sure that's common knowledge, but I just wanted to make it clear) and he had done something like this to somebody and was acting the same way that Chris Brown was (obviously not with such publicity or visibility), then I'd have the same amount of contempt.

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Posted by White Mage

@JediXMan said:

@White Mage:

Same. I think it was a pretty good video (albeit funny in parts. The end was genuinely funny, and the fact that a song review never says anything about the song - at all)

LOL.....................Chris' sound DOES annoy me btw...his rap voice infuriates me, for reasons I cannot quite explain...............

Edited by Xanni15

Why is anyone concerned with what random people think, especially someone as famous and successful as he is? Twitter is awful if you're a celebrity or athlete, just stay away from it or have someone run it for you and only post positives things.

And let's not just excuse him for his past actions, he was forced to make amends for them, not his choice. Next, it's not like the original situation of him pounding away at her face was in the least bit defensible.

Posted by Night Thrasher

@White Mage said:

@Night Thrasher said:

@Mercy_ said:

@pooty said:

Since he hit Rihanna, who deserved it for hitting him first

I generally agree with the principal that if a female hits a male, he's not outside his rights to hit her back. But it's not like he just slapped her across the face. He savagely beat the sh!t out of her and that's something else entirely.

This is the police report detailing exactly what he did to her. I suggest that you read it (skip down to page 4 for the pertinent details) before you say that she deserved it.

I never said she deserved it...I just said she wasn't entirely innocent. Which is vastly different.

Also...don't use a police report as an example of evidence to a black man, sorry but I know from experience that those things aren't the most reliable source for information.

A black man who beat a black woman, who then took photos of the results of said beating aren't good enough proof for you?

No offense, but your argument would've been much stronger if Chris had been dating a white woman..............btw, I don't approve of being forced to write this sentence

My point isn't to rehash the events of three years ago...My point is that it was THREE years ago. Has he been a repeat offender? Has he shown some signs of growth? The fact is that random women seem to want to relive the event for the end of time. Is he a good guy? I don't know, not really my concern or priority. Shouldn't he be entitled to some modicum of decency and be allowed to grow up without constantly being reminded of how bad of a person he is by people who don't know him?

Posted by White Mage

He was HUGE when he was DATING Rihanna

They were THE big couple, next to Beyonce and Mr. Z

He f***ed up her face, DURING MUSIC AWARDS TIME

Pictures surfaced shortly afterwards

If Robert Pattinson had beat the living hell out of Kristen Stewart 1 week before Twilight Breaking Dawn Pt. 2 came out, I can't help but believe that would've garnered a helluva lot of media attention....

If Justin Bieber effed up Selena Gomez's face, he would've gotten SLAMMED by the media

Chris' race doesn't have anything to do with the situation. It's his fame, and his tendency to remain a douche, and frequently display his lack of maturity. Clearly his fans are gonna stay by him no matter what, but the guy is a d*ck, and has a "F**k H8ters" kind of attitude......not a good mix, and anyone skilled in PR should actually tell him this......if they haven't already

Posted by Night Thrasher

@Mercy_: I respect that and I honestly understand where your coming from. What got me on this is that I was reading on the Huffington Post and saw this "random chick" provoking Chris and Elizabeth Hasselbeck responding to it. But, on the same sight I saw that another kid got shot in Florida for "playing loud music" and the killer is claiming "stand your ground" but really nobody is rallying against that. I imagine that sometime soon Faux News is going to smear that teenagers reputation the same way people are trying to tear down Chris Brown and the same way they tried to smear Tryvon Martin. I wonder were all that contempt is for that kid's killer?

Posted by Night Thrasher

@White Mage: All that is true...But, will they still be rehashing those events years later? Would they be allowed to live with their mistakes and move on? The initial reaction is justified and warranted, the backlash for the rest of a person's life for something that can be resolved and made amends for isn't.

Posted by Mattersuit

I have one thing to say to the title of this thread.

I don't.

Posted by Vance Astro

I feel sorry for Chris Brown because nobody around him is making him accountable for his behavior. He's going to be a tragedy in a minute if he doesn't stop screwin around.

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Posted by White Mage

@Night Thrasher said:

@White Mage said:

@Night Thrasher said:

@Mercy_ said:

@pooty said:

Since he hit Rihanna, who deserved it for hitting him first

I generally agree with the principal that if a female hits a male, he's not outside his rights to hit her back. But it's not like he just slapped her across the face. He savagely beat the sh!t out of her and that's something else entirely.

This is the police report detailing exactly what he did to her. I suggest that you read it (skip down to page 4 for the pertinent details) before you say that she deserved it.

I never said she deserved it...I just said she wasn't entirely innocent. Which is vastly different.

Also...don't use a police report as an example of evidence to a black man, sorry but I know from experience that those things aren't the most reliable source for information.

A black man who beat a black woman, who then took photos of the results of said beating aren't good enough proof for you?

No offense, but your argument would've been much stronger if Chris had been dating a white woman..............btw, I don't approve of being forced to write this sentence

My point isn't to rehash the events of three years ago...My point is that it was THREE years ago. Has he been a repeat offender? Has he shown some signs of growth? The fact is that random women seem to want to relive the event for the end of time. Is he a good guy? I don't know, not really my concern or priority. Shouldn't he be entitled to some modicum of decency and be allowed to grow up without constantly being reminded of how bad of a person he is by people who don't know him?

His image has been ruined. Not his career. He's nowhere close to being today's Ike Turner...Ike Turner didn't get the chance to recover

I think Chris has a great personality when he's in his element. He seems very likable. The issue is he needs to ban himself form all forms of social media. Boondocks introduced "*****a moments", and Chris' Twitter account is FILLED with them. But, his fans, like Beyonce's, ain't goin nowhere.

Has he been a repeat offender? No. Has he shown some growth? No.

His life is based in an industry where life isn't fair, and he pretty much screwed himself while he was reaching the height of his popularity + a huge popularity boost when he started dating Rihanna.

Posted by Mercy_

@Night Thrasher said:

I wonder were all that contempt is for that kid's killer?

Again (and this is unfortunate), but the media highlights the wrong things. Celebrities beating/killing/getting into fights with other celebs will top things like what you've cited simply because of visibility and views. It's why things that are so important (or should be important) essentially get swept under the rug through lack of coverage. How much coverage did we see on the London riots? How about numerous rebellions going on throughout the world? The American media (as all media) is skewed towards the entertainment factor and the view factor. It's unfortunate, but it's true.

What happened with Trayvon Martin was a travesty, there is no other way to describe it.

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Posted by Mercy_

@Vance Astro said:

I feel sorry for Chris Brown because nobody around him is making him accountable for his behavior. He's going to be a tragedy in a minute if he doesn't stop screwin around.

This is absolutely accurate.

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Posted by White Mage

@Night Thrasher said:

@White Mage: All that is true...But, will they still be rehashing those events years later? Would they be allowed to live with their mistakes and move on? The initial reaction is justified and warranted, the backlash for the rest of a person's life for something that can be resolved and made amends for isn't.

Lindsay Lohan says YES, they WOULD still be forced to live with their mistakes. Her "crime" was far less severe, but she's still been ruined.

Even Halle Berry is getting crap over her terrible relationship with her father's daughter, and her new beau, and nobody even knows what's going on for real.

Posted by pooty

@Mercy_ said:

@pooty said:

Since he hit Rihanna, who deserved it for hitting him first

I generally agree with the principal that if a female hits a male, he's not outside his rights to hit her back. But it's not like he just slapped her across the face. He savagely beat the sh!t out of her and that's something else entirely.

This is the police report detailing exactly what he did to her. I suggest that you read it (skip down to page 4 for the pertinent details) before you say that she deserved it.

Rihanna admitted in subsequent interviews that she hit him first and fought with him. She got the worst of the fight. He tried to push her out the car. She refused. She had time to use her phone and call her assistant when she should have called the police or got out and called a ride. Did he go to far? Yes. but she started it by her going through his personal property, putting her hands on him and refusing to get out the car. Prevention is better then a cure.

Posted by Yung ANcient One

I. I like his music. Always been a closet fan since "Run It."

II. Feel sorry for him? Serious?

III. He did a terrible thing to say the least. Period. He got off EASY. Muhammad Ali spent time in Jail/Prison for not going to war, but Chris gets "community service" plus Backlash every once in a while.

IV. Is it fair that Chris Brown is being used as a Scape Goat? Nope, but life aint Fair. Dr. Dre got off easy,(public media wise) and a long list of poor excuses for men don't deal with what CB has to.

V. I know he's 23, but he acts like a child, a brat really. I for one know it can be annoying(frustrating in his situation) to be reminded over, over, and over again about your flaws,mistakes,embarrassments, and wrongs you've done. STILL he needs to grow THICK SKIN, and be like "I know, I was beyond wrong..."

VI. TEAM CM Punk

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Posted by NazarethSavage
@Yung ANcient One said:

I. I like his music. Always been a closet fan since "Run It."

II. Feel sorry for him? Serious?

III. He did a terrible thing to say the least. Period. He got off EASY. Muhammad Ali spent time in Jail/Prison for not going to war, but Chris gets "community service" plus Backlash every once in a while.

IV. Is it fair that Chris Brown is being used as a Scape Goat? Nope, but life aint Fair. Dr. Dre got off easy,(public media wise) and a long list of poor excuses for men don't deal with what CB has to.

V. I know he's 23, but he acts like a child, a brat really. I for one know it can be annoying(frustrating in his situation) to be reminded over, over, and over again about your flaws,mistakes,embarrassments, and wrongs you've done. STILL he needs to grow THICK SKIN, and be like "I know, I was beyond wrong..."

VI. TEAM CM Punk

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Comparing what happened to Ali in racist 60's America to what happened to Chris in present America doesn't make any sense. 
Posted by Night Thrasher

@Mercy_ said:

@Vance Astro said:

I feel sorry for Chris Brown because nobody around him is making him accountable for his behavior. He's going to be a tragedy in a minute if he doesn't stop screwin around.

This is absolutely accurate.

In who's eyes? I don't know what he's done to atone for his sins since the incident, but then again he doesn't have to repent to me. I never fault a person for doing the bare minimum in public perception because that's exactly what it is, perception. What he truly has to change is inside of him and we cannot see that. Maybe he's done more to change outside of public perception than what we see. I don't know and really none of us do. Lindsey Lohan went through plenty of public atonement that didn't seem to do any difference. I haven't seen what Chris Brown has done, but I do see some change and some maturity over the past few years, admittedly there is a lot of room for improvement, but that's what happens when you grow up in the public eye. We see the growing pains, and people seem to want to remind him of it constantly.

Posted by x_29

Here is my opinion:

I am not one of those people who will forever dub a man as a unforgivable douchebag of the 20th century if he beat up a girl. I am not saying it is okay to hit a woman, I just do not see it as a mortal sin as others make it out to be. Had Chris Brown looked at that moment in his life and said to himself " I messed up, I am going to make a commitment to make amends and learn from my mistakes and earn my forgiveness" than I could sympathize with him. But he did none of what I said. Chris Brown did not become a disgusting a-hole when he beat up Rhianna, he become a disgusting a-hole when he clearly showed that he was unapologetic about the situation and ladled and verbally attacked those who were mad at him about the situation as "haters". I cannot feel bad for a guy who does not try to make amends and becomes the very thing everyone made him out to be in the first place. As for this Jenny chick- she was trolling. She has been baiting for a reaction from Chris since 2010 or 2009 and started it in the first place for no other reason except for nothing else but getting a reaction. Its not commendable( nor are her "comedic" twitter posts) on her part but I can't side with Chris for behaving even more like an a-hole.

Posted by Mercy_

Oh and just to be clear, Jenny Johnson is an attention-whoring jerk, to say the least. She's been continuously harassing Chris Crown on Twitter (gained something like 200K followers over this whole ordeal). She's a 'comedian' and this isn't funny or clever. She was baiting him, looking for a reaction and she got one. That doesn't take skill or talent, all it takes is time.

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Posted by x_29

@Mercy_ said:

Oh and just to be clear, Jenny Johnson is an attention-whoring jerk, to say the least. She's been continuously harassing Chris Crown on Twitter (gained something like 200K followers over this whole ordeal). She's a 'comedian' and this isn't funny or clever. She was baiting him, looking for a reaction and she got one. That doesn't take skill or talent, all it takes is time.

And yet half of the internet views her as a hero...for basically trolling. Oh internets.

Posted by White Mage

@Mercy_ said:

@Night Thrasher said:

I wonder were all that contempt is for that kid's killer?

Again (and this is unfortunate), but the media highlights the wrong things. Celebrities beating/killing/getting into fights with other celebs will top things like what you've cited simply because of visibility and views. It's why things that are so important (or should be important) essentially get swept under the rug through lack of coverage. How much coverage did we see on the London riots? How about numerous rebellions going on throughout the world? The American media (as all media) is skewed towards the entertainment factor and the view factor. It's unfortunate, but it's true.

What happened with Trayvon Martin was a travesty, there is no other way to describe it.

I semi-agree with Mercy. Popularity plays a huge factor............

however, I also think that this example doesn't work very effectively, because most people (not all) want Zimmerman dead, or in jail. His life has been DESTROYED as a result of his effed up decisions, and that's why he's asking for collection plates....he's arguably gotten worse than Chris Brown could ever dream of. Chris has money, and a chance to turn things around. Zimmerman, on the other hand, has been trying his hardest to say "I'm not ALL white, so I can't be racist!", while trying to avoid prison...that man is struggle.

Posted by Night Thrasher

@Mercy_: @x_29: Where was all this for Charlie Sheen? He beat Denise Richards and then went on to "Two and a Half Men" and became the highest paid actor on television. To me, the contempt isn't brewing from the what but the who and that seriously bothers me.

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@Night Thrasher said:

In who's eyes? I don't know what he's done to atone for his sins since the incident, but then again he doesn't have to repent to me. I never fault a person for doing the bare minimum in public perception because that's exactly what it is, perception. What he truly has to change is inside of him and we cannot see that. Maybe he's done more to change outside of public perception than what we see. I don't know and really none of us do. Lindsey Lohan went through plenty of public atonement that didn't seem to do any difference. I haven't seen what Chris Brown has done, but I do see some change and some maturity over the past few years, admittedly there is a lot of room for improvement, but that's what happens when you grow up in the public eye. We see the growing pains, and people seem to want to remind him of it constantly.

Did you reply to Mercy\Me on purpose because I don't know what any of this is in reference t\o.
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Posted by Vance Astro
@Night Thrasher said:

@Mercy_: @x_29: Where was all this for Charlie Sheen? He beat Denise Richards and then went on to "Two and a Half Men" and became the highest paid actor on television. To me, the contempt isn't brewing from the what but the who and that seriously bothers me.

He also called her a n*gger..LMFAO!
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Posted by White Mage

@Mercy_ said:

Oh and just to be clear, Jenny Johnson is an attention-whoring jerk, to say the least. She's been continuously harassing Chris Crown on Twitter (gained something like 200K followers over this whole ordeal). She's a 'comedian' and this isn't funny or clever. She was baiting him, looking for a reaction and she got one. That doesn't take skill or talent, all it takes is time.

Oh, Mercy. Haven't you heard? Bullying "bullies" makes you a hero!

Jenny Johnson isn't funny...she's classless, and a perfect showing of how even lessers can become famous.

Posted by Mercy_

@White Mage: Agreed on all points.

@x_29: People aren't doing their research, all they see is somebody calling Chris Brown out and they go all mob mentality on it. Neither of them were in the right here, but people who are putting her up on a pedestal for this are ridiculous.

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Posted by Yung ANcient One

@NazarethSavage: I guess I failed to point out that Chris Brown did No time in Jail/Prison for a horrible crime while other people who Never committed a horrible deed did spent time... so he clearly got a slap on the wrist. (+)

Posted by Night Thrasher

@Vance Astro: I quoted the whole thing which included her agreeing to your original post. Which was really a continuation of the conversation on a whole.

Posted by White Mage

@Vance Astro said:

@Night Thrasher said:

@Mercy_: @x_29: Where was all this for Charlie Sheen? He beat Denise Richards and then went on to "Two and a Half Men" and became the highest paid actor on television. To me, the contempt isn't brewing from the what but the who and that seriously bothers me.

He also called her a n*gger..LMFAO!

LMFAO!!!

Ahem, in response to Night Thrasher's original comment

Charlie Sheen is a train wreck, who exploited his personal issues.........He's strangely brilliant for it, actually. Instead of making a reality show, he saw the bigger picture, and went for a sitcom

Posted by NazarethSavage
@Yung ANcient One said:

@NazarethSavage: I guess I failed to point out that Chris Brown did No time in Jail/Prison for a horrible crime while other people who Never committed a horrible deed did spent time... so he clearly got a slap on the wrist. (+)

You didn't "fail" to point that out. I knew that before I responded i'm just saying that Ali lived in a different era. Most celebrities in this era get "slaps on the wrist" for doing stuff that regular people like me in you would serve time or serve more time for.
Posted by JediXMan

@White Mage said:

@Vance Astro said:

@Night Thrasher said:

@Mercy_: @x_29: Where was all this for Charlie Sheen? He beat Denise Richards and then went on to "Two and a Half Men" and became the highest paid actor on television. To me, the contempt isn't brewing from the what but the who and that seriously bothers me.

He also called her a n*gger..LMFAO!

LMFAO!!!

Ahem, in response to Night Thrasher's original comment

Charlie Sheen is a train wreck, who exploited his personal issues.........He's strangely brilliant for it, actually. Instead of making a reality show, he saw the bigger picture, and went for a sitcom

It's kinda funny in its own way. Charlie Sheen's... Charlie-Sheen-Ness has become a phenomenon that has arguably made him even more famous for it.

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Posted by White Mage

@JediXMan said:

@White Mage said:

@Vance Astro said:

@Night Thrasher said:

@Mercy_: @x_29: Where was all this for Charlie Sheen? He beat Denise Richards and then went on to "Two and a Half Men" and became the highest paid actor on television. To me, the contempt isn't brewing from the what but the who and that seriously bothers me.

He also called her a n*gger..LMFAO!

LMFAO!!!

Ahem, in response to Night Thrasher's original comment

Charlie Sheen is a train wreck, who exploited his personal issues.........He's strangely brilliant for it, actually. Instead of making a reality show, he saw the bigger picture, and went for a sitcom

It's kinda funny in its own way. Charlie Sheen's... Charlie-Sheen-Ness has become a phenomenon that has arguably made him even more famous for it.

He knew the secret of reality television before it became extremely popular: America LOVES trash tv, and train wrecks. As a business man/marketer, the guy is rather legit.

Posted by JediXMan

@White Mage said:

He knew the secret of reality television before it became extremely popular: America LOVES trash tv, and train wrecks. As a business man/marketer, the guy is rather legit.

I realize the topic is different, but the idea is similar.

Skip to 3:10 (or watch the whole thing, if you prefer. ZP is funny)

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Posted by White Mage

@JediXMan said:

@White Mage said:

He knew the secret of reality television before it became extremely popular: America LOVES trash tv, and train wrecks. As a business man/marketer, the guy is rather legit.

I realize the topic is different, but the idea is similar.

Skip to 3:10 (or watch the whole thing, if you prefer. ZP is funny)

HAHAHAHAHA

It's soooooo true.......soooo true!

Posted by lykopis

No -- don't feel sorry for him.

No -- Rihanna is in no way responsible (partly or otherwise) for the beating Chris Brown gave her.

No -- it is not playing Russian roulette when you confront someone who is known for physical violence. Words are words, fists are fists. They are NOT the same. The consequences are on the person who chooses which to respond with.

No -- if I slap someone (and since there is a lot of speculation on here already, I will argue Rihanna didn't slap him as she later claimed she did) and the person I slapped returned the slap with an all-out beating, it is not the same. Especially if the person is larger and stronger than myself. And not because one act is more physically damaging than the other but because responding to violence with violence is wrong. If Chris Brown's life was in danger because Rihanna is capable of the Slap of Doom, then by all means --- use whatever is at your disposal to survive. But I think its a safe bet to say it wouldn't have taken multiple blows to take Rihanna down. Yet that's what she got at the hands of Chris Brown.

No -- he is in the public eye. He banked on his upbringing while climbing the charts, talked about his single mother working hard to provide for him -- talked about being exposed to an abusive father (who was also an abusive husband). This was BEFORE the the incident. So again -- no -- he deserves the public's derision just as much as he deserved it's accolades when he was the golden boy of R&B. That's celebrity for you.

No -- this isn't a white/black thing. Stating that white woman are the ones who constantly bring up what he did is as ridiculous and me saying only black women were twittering they would love to get beat down by Chris Brown a few months back.

No -- beating up someone weaker than you is contemptible and not some small, unfortunate mistake. Its a crime for a reason. Chris Brown had a perfect opportunity to make amends and be an adult. He chose not to. He clearly ignores people who tell him otherwise and he clearly surrounds himself with people who don't have his best interests at heart. He's not a demon -- he's not evil. But he is very, very stupid.

Huh. Interesting. I change my mind now.

I do feel sorry for him. He didn't learn from his mistake,he continuing to make more and therefore, he's more likely to repeat them. What a waste of an otherwise very talented individual.

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