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@erik said:

@wolverine08 said:

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@jay0253 said:

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@jay0253 said:

I proudly support gay rights, especially since my brother is one. As long as it makes them happy, then let them be able to do it. :)

Why not lend the same support to the felons in prison then? If murder makes you happy then go right ahead sir, who am I to judge you?

Comparing murder, to gay rights makes no sense at all. They're completely different... Murder is wrong in every way possible. If taking someone elses life makes them happy, then "god" save their fucking soul. :/

They're different in levels of severity but not in their wrongness. It's as wrong to murder as it is to be a homosexual.

I'm not so much comparing them as I'm stating that WRONG is WRONG, regardless of which you perceive is more wrong than the other. If murder is the only stage in which you feel it necessary to draw a line and say "this behaviour is unacceptable" then how many things will it be possible for you to tolerate even if by conventional standards they are considered wrong? Just not so wrong that you're willing to do anything about it.

This is why people don't take Christians seriously anymore.

He's not Christian though. Pointed that out a few posts ago.

He said he is not religious. That is not the same thing as saying he isn't Christian and he's likely lying to try and add credibility to his logic anyway. The basis for his argument is that the "you can't reproduce with that kind of sex". So what? Sex hasn't been solely about reproduction since the beginning of recorded history and beyond. That argument is about as logically sound as saying homosexuality is against nature. It's both a stupid statement, as well as an incorrect one.

"He said he is not religious. That is not the same thing as saying he isn't Christian and he's likely lying to try and add credibility to his logic anyway."

If I'm NON RELIGIOUS how can I be a Christian when being NON RELIGIOUS means HAVING NO RELIGION. Like so many brainwashed unfortunates your mind can only comprehend this debate in a predetermined schism between RELIGIOUS thought and ATHEIST thought with your good and bad guys already decided; you're a programmed machine with input output responses and who is incapable of rational or critical thought.

"The basis for his argument is that the "you can't reproduce with that kind of sex"

And if you were even a REMOTELY rational person you would see the validity of the argument, but you've already been thoroughly indoctrinated into the western worlds new ideology of moral relativism and the uncertain nature of everything. I do not subscribe to such viewpoints on reality or life.

Look at the REALITY of NATURAL LIFE around you, and observe sexual intercourse logically and scientifically, actually engage your rational mind for a bit. Clearly we can see that Nature, having designed all bodies and substances in our world, had a plan and a purpose in her creations as she did with SEX. Is it somehow a freak accident that MALES AND FEMALES ARE DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY, in a physical manner to engage in sexual intercourse, and are programmed to find each other sexually attractive, with resultant sex between the two resulting in REPRODUCTION? Something tells me this is no accident and is the NATURAL ORDER of sexual behaviour for humans. How could it not be?

Where is the validity for homosexual sex? Where has nature designed and accommodated for her units to engage in such activity? Please tell me?

Normal, natural sexual orientation IS HETEROSEXUALITY. Normal, natural sexual behaviour is HETEROSEXUAL SEX. These realities cannot be argued.

Natural things are natural because they CONFORM TO NATURE'S PURPOSES, not because they simply exist in nature, which is the ridiculous and faulty logic used to give credibility to homosexuality. It has no credibility.

HOMOSEXUALITY IS NOT NATURAL OR NORMAL BECAUSE IT DOES NOT CONFORM IN ANY WAY, TO NATURE'S INTENDED AND VERY CLEAR PARAMETERS OF SEXUALITY AND SEXUAL BEHAVIOUR. IT IS THEREFORE UNNATURAL. HAVING NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT NATURE INTENDED OR CREATED.

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@jay0253 said:

@netshyster said:

@jay0253 said:

@netshyster said:
@jay0253 said:

I proudly support gay rights, especially since my brother is one. As long as it makes them happy, then let them be able to do it. :)

Why not lend the same support to the felons in prison then? If murder makes you happy then go right ahead sir, who am I to judge you?

Comparing murder, to gay rights makes no sense at all. They're completely different... Murder is wrong in every way possible. If taking someone elses life makes them happy, then "god" save their fucking soul. :/

They're different in levels of severity but not in their wrongness. It's as wrong to murder as it is to be a homosexual.

I'm not so much comparing them as I'm stating that WRONG is WRONG, regardless of which you perceive is more wrong than the other. If murder is the only stage in which you feel it necessary to draw a line and say "this behaviour is unacceptable" then how many things will it be possible for you to tolerate even if by conventional standards they are considered wrong? Just not so wrong that you're willing to do anything about it.

That's like saying being straight is also wrong... I mean, would you like it if someone came up to you and told you, you can't be happy? No, you probably wouldn't. No one would. If you don't mind my asking, are you going by that 2,000+ year old books laws? Just wondering..

No, I'm not religious.

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@batwatch said:

I'd say wicked rather than morbid, but if you accept the premise that a fetus is not a human life, then it makes perfect sense.

Eugenics is coming back into style. It was the scientists and elites that pushed it last time too. We can't have all these undesirables running around, now can we?

Everybody knows someone with Down Syndrome is better off dead anyway, right? (I don't believe that but am illustrating the apparent beliefs of those above)

Eugenics was about sterilizing adults deemed undesireable and forcibly aborting the fetuses of undesireable women against their will. It is not connected to abortion in the modern developed world or the transhumanist movement.

And I value the life of a thinking being, a Fetus is not a thinking being until it develops a brain (and there is still some argument as to when an infant develops sapience.) Until it has a brain, it is literally an unthinking and unfeeling clump of cells whose main difference from a protist is the genetic code.

This is why I'm fine with abortion (though uncomfortable with abortion when the baby has developed a brain as I'm in the camp that once the brain is developed the fetus is intelligent), but against execution (there's also the factor that being hard on crime is little more than revenge porn with numerous studies suggesting that rehabilitation works better) and would also be the first person against any attempt at sterilizing or executing people against their will.

Wrong. They just changed tactics, why force and coerce through violence when you can achieve the same result through brainwashing and social engineering? You are absolutely clueless.

  • Genetics (Eugenics)
  • Social Darwinism
  • Transhumanism
  • Feminism
  • Atheism
  • Homosexuality

All elitist generated, backed and funded movements which have been and are being sold to the public as natural, desirable and inevitable realities of life. The buzzword they usually use to sell these ideas is "progressive."

Atheism and homosexuality aren't movements.... One is simply the disbelief in god and gods, the other is a sexuality where someone is attracted to their own gender. Also it is religion that has been used and backed by the higher ups in societies and it is religion that is used to convert and indoctrinate people from an early age, religion's do also spread ignorance and misinformation to try and convince people they are right.

Don't see how people are being brainwashed to be gay or to be an atheist. Or really any of those other things. Social Darwinism is not viewed as being a progressive or good idea by most people either.

But then I have probably given your post too much thought by even replying to it. Shame on me I guess....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_social_movements

Wikipedia page on homosexual social movements.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Atheism

Wikipedia page on Atheism as a social and political movement.

For an idea or belief to be classified as a "movement" it must be actively promulgated onto society as an attempt to change that societies ideas and views on the particular idea behind the movement. Atheism and Homosexuality are social movements with the intent to reshape societies thinking in line to its own.

Such utter rubbish, atheism and homosexuality are not social or political movements. You're deluding yourself for believing that in the first place when there's no credibility and no legitimate backing for your anti-establishment fallacies. They are not elitist backed brainwashing organisations, they're ideals, beliefs and lifestyle choices that people are embracing more and more in our current society for good reason. Good luck buying into this stuff though.

Exactly. ^

New atheism is identified as new atheism for a reason. Atheism isn't defined by new atheism. Atheism itself and this new atheism are not the same thing.

Also same thing with that LGBT social movements, they are simply movements that want to promote equal rights for LGBT people.Homosexuality itself is not a social movement. It is what I previously defined just as atheism is.

This isn't difficult.

Simply being a Homosexual is not social activism, who was arguing that in the first place? But an organized grouping of homosexuals formed for and actively engaged in activities, protest and gatherings that were designed and created to CHANGE social paradigms concerning said community IS social activism and makes a social movement.

Well you. You didn't make that distinction in your posts. You seemed to be saying that.

Why is that such a bad thing anyway?

Lol, I didn't make the activism a big thing at all, other people did. I only pointed out that these movements are usually if not entirely generated by are funded, supported and backed by elitist groups for private reasons.

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@netshyster said:

@jay0253 said:

@netshyster said:
@jay0253 said:

I proudly support gay rights, especially since my brother is one. As long as it makes them happy, then let them be able to do it. :)

Why not lend the same support to the felons in prison then? If murder makes you happy then go right ahead sir, who am I to judge you?

Comparing murder, to gay rights makes no sense at all. They're completely different... Murder is wrong in every way possible. If taking someone elses life makes them happy, then "god" save their fucking soul. :/

They're different in levels of severity but not in their wrongness. It's as wrong to murder as it is to be a homosexual.

I'm not so much comparing them as I'm stating that WRONG is WRONG, regardless of which you perceive is more wrong than the other. If murder is the only stage in which you feel it necessary to draw a line and say "this behaviour is unacceptable" then how many things will it be possible for you to tolerate even if by conventional standards they are considered wrong? Just not so wrong that you're willing to do anything about it.

The entirety of this post is just using a slippery slope fallacy, and you really have no proof that being gay is "wrong".

What do you mean I don't have any proof being gay is wrong? Does the fact that sexual intercourse and reproduction is divided between two opposing pairs being MALE and FEMALE mean nothing to you? You're free to ignore reality all you want, I won't.

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@jay0253 said:

@netshyster said:
@jay0253 said:

I proudly support gay rights, especially since my brother is one. As long as it makes them happy, then let them be able to do it. :)

Why not lend the same support to the felons in prison then? If murder makes you happy then go right ahead sir, who am I to judge you?

Comparing murder, to gay rights makes no sense at all. They're completely different... Murder is wrong in every way possible. If taking someone elses life makes them happy, then "god" save their fucking soul. :/

They're different in levels of severity but not in their wrongness. It's as wrong to murder as it is to be a homosexual.

I'm not so much comparing them as I'm stating that WRONG is WRONG, regardless of which you perceive is more wrong than the other. If murder is the only stage in which you feel it necessary to draw a line and say "this behaviour is unacceptable" then how many things will it be possible for you to tolerate even if by conventional standards they are considered wrong? Just not so wrong that you're willing to do anything about it.

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@jay0253 said:

I proudly support gay rights, especially since my brother is one. As long as it makes them happy, then let them be able to do it. :)

Why not lend the same support to the felons in prison then? If murder makes you happy then go right ahead sir, who am I to judge you?

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@mrdecepticonleader said:

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@tenebrous_guile said:
@batwatch said:

I'd say wicked rather than morbid, but if you accept the premise that a fetus is not a human life, then it makes perfect sense.

Eugenics is coming back into style. It was the scientists and elites that pushed it last time too. We can't have all these undesirables running around, now can we?

Everybody knows someone with Down Syndrome is better off dead anyway, right? (I don't believe that but am illustrating the apparent beliefs of those above)

Eugenics was about sterilizing adults deemed undesireable and forcibly aborting the fetuses of undesireable women against their will. It is not connected to abortion in the modern developed world or the transhumanist movement.

And I value the life of a thinking being, a Fetus is not a thinking being until it develops a brain (and there is still some argument as to when an infant develops sapience.) Until it has a brain, it is literally an unthinking and unfeeling clump of cells whose main difference from a protist is the genetic code.

This is why I'm fine with abortion (though uncomfortable with abortion when the baby has developed a brain as I'm in the camp that once the brain is developed the fetus is intelligent), but against execution (there's also the factor that being hard on crime is little more than revenge porn with numerous studies suggesting that rehabilitation works better) and would also be the first person against any attempt at sterilizing or executing people against their will.

Wrong. They just changed tactics, why force and coerce through violence when you can achieve the same result through brainwashing and social engineering? You are absolutely clueless.

  • Genetics (Eugenics)
  • Social Darwinism
  • Transhumanism
  • Feminism
  • Atheism
  • Homosexuality

All elitist generated, backed and funded movements which have been and are being sold to the public as natural, desirable and inevitable realities of life. The buzzword they usually use to sell these ideas is "progressive."

Atheism and homosexuality aren't movements.... One is simply the disbelief in god and gods, the other is a sexuality where someone is attracted to their own gender. Also it is religion that has been used and backed by the higher ups in societies and it is religion that is used to convert and indoctrinate people from an early age, religion's do also spread ignorance and misinformation to try and convince people they are right.

Don't see how people are being brainwashed to be gay or to be an atheist. Or really any of those other things. Social Darwinism is not viewed as being a progressive or good idea by most people either.

But then I have probably given your post too much thought by even replying to it. Shame on me I guess....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_social_movements

Wikipedia page on homosexual social movements.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Atheism

Wikipedia page on Atheism as a social and political movement.

For an idea or belief to be classified as a "movement" it must be actively promulgated onto society as an attempt to change that societies ideas and views on the particular idea behind the movement. Atheism and Homosexuality are social movements with the intent to reshape societies thinking in line to its own.

Such utter rubbish, atheism and homosexuality are not social or political movements. You're deluding yourself for believing that in the first place when there's no credibility and no legitimate backing for your anti-establishment fallacies. They are not elitist backed brainwashing organisations, they're ideals, beliefs and lifestyle choices that people are embracing more and more in our current society for good reason. Good luck buying into this stuff though.

Exactly. ^

New atheism is identified as new atheism for a reason. Atheism isn't defined by new atheism. Atheism itself and this new atheism are not the same thing.

Also same thing with that LGBT social movements, they are simply movements that want to promote equal rights for LGBT people.Homosexuality itself is not a social movement. It is what I previously defined just as atheism is.

This isn't difficult.

Simply being a Homosexual is not social activism, who was arguing that in the first place? But an organized grouping of homosexuals formed for and actively engaged in activities, protest and gatherings that were designed and created to CHANGE social paradigms concerning said community IS social activism and makes a social movement.

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@lvenger said:

@netshyster said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@netshyster said:

@tenebrous_guile said:
@batwatch said:

I'd say wicked rather than morbid, but if you accept the premise that a fetus is not a human life, then it makes perfect sense.

Eugenics is coming back into style. It was the scientists and elites that pushed it last time too. We can't have all these undesirables running around, now can we?

Everybody knows someone with Down Syndrome is better off dead anyway, right? (I don't believe that but am illustrating the apparent beliefs of those above)

Eugenics was about sterilizing adults deemed undesireable and forcibly aborting the fetuses of undesireable women against their will. It is not connected to abortion in the modern developed world or the transhumanist movement.

And I value the life of a thinking being, a Fetus is not a thinking being until it develops a brain (and there is still some argument as to when an infant develops sapience.) Until it has a brain, it is literally an unthinking and unfeeling clump of cells whose main difference from a protist is the genetic code.

This is why I'm fine with abortion (though uncomfortable with abortion when the baby has developed a brain as I'm in the camp that once the brain is developed the fetus is intelligent), but against execution (there's also the factor that being hard on crime is little more than revenge porn with numerous studies suggesting that rehabilitation works better) and would also be the first person against any attempt at sterilizing or executing people against their will.

Wrong. They just changed tactics, why force and coerce through violence when you can achieve the same result through brainwashing and social engineering? You are absolutely clueless.

  • Genetics (Eugenics)
  • Social Darwinism
  • Transhumanism
  • Feminism
  • Atheism
  • Homosexuality

All elitist generated, backed and funded movements which have been and are being sold to the public as natural, desirable and inevitable realities of life. The buzzword they usually use to sell these ideas is "progressive."

Atheism and homosexuality aren't movements.... One is simply the disbelief in god and gods, the other is a sexuality where someone is attracted to their own gender. Also it is religion that has been used and backed by the higher ups in societies and it is religion that is used to convert and indoctrinate people from an early age, religion's do also spread ignorance and misinformation to try and convince people they are right.

Don't see how people are being brainwashed to be gay or to be an atheist. Or really any of those other things. Social Darwinism is not viewed as being a progressive or good idea by most people either.

But then I have probably given your post too much thought by even replying to it. Shame on me I guess....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_social_movements

Wikipedia page on homosexual social movements.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Atheism

Wikipedia page on Atheism as a social and political movement.

For an idea or belief to be classified as a "movement" it must be actively promulgated onto society as an attempt to change that societies ideas and views on the particular idea behind the movement. Atheism and Homosexuality are social movements with the intent to reshape societies thinking in line to its own.

Such utter rubbish, atheism and homosexuality are not social or political movements. You're deluding yourself for believing that in the first place when there's no credibility and no legitimate backing for your anti-establishment fallacies. They are not elitist backed brainwashing organisations, they're ideals, beliefs and lifestyle choices that people are embracing more and more in our current society for good reason. Good luck buying into this stuff though.

"Social movements are large informal groupings of individuals and/or organizations focused on specific political or social issues. They are a type of group action."

How do the LGBT community and Atheist activist community not fall into this category? Keep trolling my friend, keep trolling.

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@saren said:

@keenko said:

@saren: I think it's kind of silly to compare homosexuality to infantcide, rape, and domestic violence.

I'm not comparing them, I'm just saying "it's natural so it's good" is a stupid argument. Lots of things are natural. Nature is terrible on the whole and no one should like it.

Did you really think that through? Everything on Earth biologically is conceived by Nature, so explain to me how nature is terrible? YOU yourself are a product of Nature. You're forming insane opinions about reality.

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@tenebrous_guile said:
@batwatch said:

I'd say wicked rather than morbid, but if you accept the premise that a fetus is not a human life, then it makes perfect sense.

Eugenics is coming back into style. It was the scientists and elites that pushed it last time too. We can't have all these undesirables running around, now can we?

Everybody knows someone with Down Syndrome is better off dead anyway, right? (I don't believe that but am illustrating the apparent beliefs of those above)

Eugenics was about sterilizing adults deemed undesireable and forcibly aborting the fetuses of undesireable women against their will. It is not connected to abortion in the modern developed world or the transhumanist movement.

And I value the life of a thinking being, a Fetus is not a thinking being until it develops a brain (and there is still some argument as to when an infant develops sapience.) Until it has a brain, it is literally an unthinking and unfeeling clump of cells whose main difference from a protist is the genetic code.

This is why I'm fine with abortion (though uncomfortable with abortion when the baby has developed a brain as I'm in the camp that once the brain is developed the fetus is intelligent), but against execution (there's also the factor that being hard on crime is little more than revenge porn with numerous studies suggesting that rehabilitation works better) and would also be the first person against any attempt at sterilizing or executing people against their will.

Wrong. They just changed tactics, why force and coerce through violence when you can achieve the same result through brainwashing and social engineering? You are absolutely clueless.

  • Genetics (Eugenics)
  • Social Darwinism
  • Transhumanism
  • Feminism
  • Atheism
  • Homosexuality

All elitist generated, backed and funded movements which have been and are being sold to the public as natural, desirable and inevitable realities of life. The buzzword they usually use to sell these ideas is "progressive."

Atheism and homosexuality aren't movements.... One is simply the disbelief in god and gods, the other is a sexuality where someone is attracted to their own gender. Also it is religion that has been used and backed by the higher ups in societies and it is religion that is used to convert and indoctrinate people from an early age, religion's do also spread ignorance and misinformation to try and convince people they are right.

Don't see how people are being brainwashed to be gay or to be an atheist. Or really any of those other things. Social Darwinism is not viewed as being a progressive or good idea by most people either.

But then I have probably given your post too much thought by even replying to it. Shame on me I guess....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_social_movements

Wikipedia page on homosexual social movements.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Atheism

Wikipedia page on Atheism as a social and political movement.

For an idea or belief to be classified as a "movement" it must be actively promulgated onto society as an attempt to change that societies ideas and views on the particular idea behind the movement. Atheism and Homosexuality are social movements with the intent to reshape societies thinking in line to its own.